2022 NBA Draft - Prospects Discussion

[German Athens]

Is givony’s mock based off what he would do, or is it based off intel like chad ford’s used to be?

[RiotPunch]

Is givony’s mock based off what he would do, or is it based off intel like chad ford’s used to be?

Based on info, not that Chad Ford ever had any.

[German Athens]

Id be really disappointed if we took kessler.

[RiotPunch]

Kessler would signal Bud drop defense for eternity.

[machu46]

If we plan to stick with the drop, Kessler makes a lot of sense. And I suspect we plan to stick with it a decent amount at least.


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[Ron Swanson]

Kessler would be such an uninspiring pick to me, and it has nothing to do with the outsized hate of the drop defense. If I had to construct a Top-5 "Do Not Want" list it would probably be:

Walker Kessler
Kennedy Chandler
Blake Wesley
Jean Montero
Christian Braun

[emunney]

If Eason falls to 18th then you do whatever you reasonably can to move up and grab him. Can't think of a more perfect front-court guy next to Giannis.

Far more likely he goes 8th than 18th, I think. Here's to hoping Givony has a good read on things, because I AGREE.

Wow at the Jalen Williams meteoric rise. Good for him.

Feel like Williams is still undersold at 20. Guys with his size/length who can shoot and run PnR are not easy to find. There are things to like about Agbaji, for example, but the fact that almost everybody has him in the lottery seems like a misunderstanding.

[German Athens]

If we plan to stick with the drop, Kessler makes a lot of sense. And I suspect we plan to stick with it a decent amount at least.


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He definitely makes sense for us, but I just can’t help but think that traditional drop bigs have slightly declined value in the league currently, they usually take time to actually develop into impactful rim protectors, and there’s limited upside.

I think his highest possible upside is a slightly less quick poeltl. Now, I love poeltl, but I don’t love a slightly worse version as a best case scenario.

Give me someone that has greater potential and potential not to be scheme dependent, please.

[Licensed to Il]

Emunney, Ron, Etc...

Let's say Bud woke up in the middle of the night and decided "Giannis at center" is going to be our WWE "finishing move" at the end of games for the next half decade. Who would make the most sense at #24 (guard/wing most likely to stick and contribute)?

[emunney]

A player like Kessler could be useful to us (particularly a mature version of him), but there's no scenario in which he's the best use for this pick. We have to take a shot at a more complete player.

[Ron Swanson]

Emunney, Ron, Etc...

Let's say Bud woke up in the middle of the night and decided "Giannis at center" is going to be our WWE "finishing move" at the end of games for the next half decade. Who would make the most sense at #24 (guard/wing most likely to stick and contribute)?

Liddell. No question for me if the quantifier is who's gonna be a Day 1 contributor.

Jrue/Khris/Liddell/Giannis plus any 3&D shooting guard is the all-switching closing lineup you're looking for.

[emunney]

Emunney, Ron, Etc...

Let's say Bud woke up in the middle of the night and decided "Giannis at center" is going to be our WWE "finishing move" at the end of games for the next half decade. Who would make the most sense at #24 (guard/wing most likely to stick and contribute)?

Gun to my head, if you say which of these guys is most likely to be our starting 2 guard next year, I'll say Wendell Moore. That's a combination of availability and role readiness.

[RiotPunch]

If Eason falls to 18th then you do whatever you reasonably can to move up and grab him. Can't think of a more perfect front-court guy next to Giannis.

Far more likely he goes 8th than 18th, I think. Here's to hoping Givony has a good read on things, because I AGREE.

Wow at the Jalen Williams meteoric rise. Good for him.

Feel like Williams is still undersold at 20. Guys with his size/length who can shoot and run PnR are not easy to find. There are things to like about Agbaji, for example, but the fact that almost everybody has him in the lottery seems like a misunderstanding.

I mean, I agree. If you think you can get Williams to defend at a high level he is lottery in this class.

[tski1972]

Kessler would be such an uninspiring pick to me, and it has nothing to do with the outsized hate of the drop defense. If I had to construct a Top-5 "Do Not Want" list it would probably be:

Walker Kessler
Kennedy Chandler
Blake Wesley
Jean Montero
Christian Braun

I agree with you on Kessler, Montero, and Wesley. Chandler I’m on the fence with, but I’d like to hear why you’re against Braun.

[machu46]

I’ll have to give it some thought but I think Braun would be somewhere in my top 5 realistic choices (I don’t consider Jalen Williams to be realistic at this point personally). Kessler probably not quite in my top 5 if I had to guess.


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[Ron Swanson]

Kessler would be such an uninspiring pick to me, and it has nothing to do with the outsized hate of the drop defense. If I had to construct a Top-5 "Do Not Want" list it would probably be:

Walker Kessler
Kennedy Chandler
Blake Wesley
Jean Montero
Christian Braun

I agree with you on Kessler, Montero, and Wesley. Chandler I’m on the fence with, but I’d like to hear why you’re against Braun.

I was higher on him before I watched more of the Kansas highlights. If you're a wing with T-Rex arms, then you better be an absolute sniper from 3PT range. Otherwise I don't know how much upside you have on offense. Nothing special as a passer. Not terribly quick off the dribble. His pump-fake/side-step 3 game is pretty alright I guess. Just don't see it with him.

[Badgerlander]

A player like Kessler could be useful to us (particularly a mature version of him), but there's no scenario in which he's the best use for this pick. We have to take a shot at a more complete player.

There’s quite a few centers in the draft and quite a few teams rumored to be looking to move their centers this off-season. I have to think picking a vet center up this off-season on a value contract will be pretty easy. The value in this draft is all of the wings. Either trade up to get one with a complete game or take one at our pick that needs some development but I haven’t seen a draft with this many quality wings in a while

[Mtsportsfan]

Hope Givony is wrong , Kessler has no offensive skills , horrible ft's . we need to get longer on the wings who can shoot and defend not a one dimension center.

[machu46]

I’ll have to give it some thought but I think Braun would be somewhere in my top 5 realistic choices (I don’t consider Jalen Williams to be realistic at this point personally). Kessler probably not quite in my top 5 if I had to guess.


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Giving it some more thought. Based on who’s available in the 20+ range of Givony’s mock, I’d probably rank the guys:

1. Jalen Williams
2. MarJon Beauchamp
3. EJ Liddell
4. Christian Braun
5. Blake Wesley
6. Dalen Terry
7. Walker Kessler
8. Kennedy Chandler
9. Kendall Brown
10. Wendell Moore


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[tski1972]

I’ll have to give it some thought but I think Braun would be somewhere in my top 5 realistic choices (I don’t consider Jalen Williams to be realistic at this point personally). Kessler probably not quite in my top 5 if I had to guess.


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Giving it some more thought. Based on who’s available in the 20+ range of Givony’s mock, I’d probably rank the guys:

1. Jalen Williams
2. MarJon Beauchamp
3. EJ Liddell
4. Christian Braun
5. Blake Wesley
6. Dalen Terry
7. Walker Kessler
8. Kennedy Chandler
9. Kendall Brown
10. Wendell Moore


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I have the same top 3. I have Terry 4 and Braun 5.