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Who do you want us to take at #1?

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Who would you take at #1?

Jabari smith
111
51%
Chet Holmgren
63
29%
Paolo Banchero
27
13%
Jaden Ivey
1
0%
Keegan Murray
1
0%
Shaedon Sharpe
8
4%
Other
5
2%
 
Total votes: 216

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#901 » by basketballRob » Tue May 31, 2022 8:52 pm

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Just saw that one. Saw another one just a few minutes ago of things I hadn’t seen him do before in game.

I might be changing my mind with him.

All he did was take jumpshots


Thats like 90% of his game in one short clip If he improves his shooting on the move maybe someday he will be on Bertans level on offense. If he goes number 1 i will put "i know nothing about basketball" in my signature. (or Weltman knows nothing about basketball if he busts :P)
It's close to 70% chance he's the first pick so I'd start getting that signature together.

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#902 » by swarlesbarkley » Tue May 31, 2022 8:57 pm

Jabari makes a lot of sense especially if we're going after Anfernee Simons in the offseason.

Fultz/Suggs
Simons/Anthony
Wagner/Okeke
Smith/Isaac
WCJ/Bamba

I'd watch all 82 games of that team. Fultz/Wagner/Simons creating - Smith, Wagner and WCJ hitting open jumpers all game.

I just want another guy who can create and playmake if we don't take Paolo at #1. Fultz and Wagner isn't going to get it done unless Fultz becomes college Fultz and Wagner becomes Hedo 2.0.
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Post#903 » by basketballRob » Tue May 31, 2022 8:59 pm

It's going to be a hide your head moment when Chet plays in the NBA.

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#904 » by basketballRob » Tue May 31, 2022 9:18 pm

Current pick odds.

https://www.covers.com/nba/nba-draft-betting-odds

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#905 » by MAGICian619 » Tue May 31, 2022 9:44 pm

basketballRob wrote:Current pick odds.

https://www.covers.com/nba/nba-draft-betting-odds

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Smart money is on Chet. It’s literally 50/50 chance as no one has any idea except for our front office (who leaks nothing).

Also, we don’t even know if they have worked out yet so it’s is possible our front office doesn’t even know.
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Post#906 » by swarlesbarkley » Tue May 31, 2022 10:09 pm

basketballRob wrote:Current pick odds.

https://www.covers.com/nba/nba-draft-betting-odds

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Can WeHam bet on who WeHam takes with the #1 pick?
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#907 » by 89Magicfan » Tue May 31, 2022 10:22 pm

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Nyce_1 wrote:https://youtube.com/shorts/E7u1SQMGHVM?feature=share




Just saw that one. Saw another one just a few minutes ago of things I hadn’t seen him do before in game.

I might be changing my mind with him.

All he did was take jumpshots :lol:


It was a different video. One I haven’t seen before.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#908 » by basketballRob » Tue May 31, 2022 10:22 pm

MAGICian619 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Current pick odds.

https://www.covers.com/nba/nba-draft-betting-odds

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Smart money is on Chet. It’s literally 50/50 chance as no one has any idea except for our front office (who leaks nothing).

Also, we don’t even know if they have worked out yet so it’s is possible our front office doesn’t even know.
I guess Vegas just goes by who they feel the best player is.

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#909 » by MAGICian619 » Tue May 31, 2022 11:02 pm

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MAGICian619 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Current pick odds.

https://www.covers.com/nba/nba-draft-betting-odds

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Smart money is on Chet. It’s literally 50/50 chance as no one has any idea except for our front office (who leaks nothing).

Also, we don’t even know if they have worked out yet so it’s is possible our front office doesn’t even know.
I guess Vegas just goes by who they feel the best player is.

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Vegas odds are strictly based on where the money currently is, meaning the % of who the current bets are placed on at that moment. Majority of the money went to Jabari after that one report. If there is a random report tomorrow that the Magic like Chet, you could see the odds flip very quickly with bets coming in on Chet.

Point is current odds mean nothing until you hear it directly from our front office.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#910 » by Xatticus » Tue May 31, 2022 11:02 pm

basketballRob wrote:
MAGICian619 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Current pick odds.

https://www.covers.com/nba/nba-draft-betting-odds

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Smart money is on Chet. It’s literally 50/50 chance as no one has any idea except for our front office (who leaks nothing).

Also, we don’t even know if they have worked out yet so it’s is possible our front office doesn’t even know.
I guess Vegas just goes by who they feel the best player is.

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Vegas goes by what makes them the most money.
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Post#911 » by Bigmagicfan82 » Tue May 31, 2022 11:26 pm

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Post#912 » by Nyce_1 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 12:48 am

EVERYONE says Chet should be the pick but says Orlando is taking Jabari. If this is how it plays out, I don't know if I should be scared or happy. Obviously the FO will trust their principles and philosophies. They better be right.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#913 » by SOUL » Wed Jun 1, 2022 1:00 am

Nyce_1 wrote:EVERYONE says Chet should be the pick but says Orlando is taking Jabari. If this is how it plays out, I don't know if I should be scared or happy. Obviously the FO will trust their principles and philosophies. They better be right.


Nobody knows who will translate or not. Sometimes the people with "more upside" don't actually have that and the people they considered safe/boring picks are the ones that become stars. Alternatively, sometimes risk must be taken like Howard over Okafor. I'm sure the front office is doing tons of work to decide which player out of the three will benefit us the most long-term.
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Post#914 » by FFBlitzace » Wed Jun 1, 2022 1:22 am

Also, no media outlet knows **** about which way the Magic are supposedly leaning. We'll know who the Magic are picking when they make the pick.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#915 » by Nyce_1 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 1:24 am

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Nyce_1 wrote:EVERYONE says Chet should be the pick but says Orlando is taking Jabari. If this is how it plays out, I don't know if I should be scared or happy. Obviously the FO will trust their principles and philosophies. They better be right.


Nobody knows who will translate or not. Sometimes the people with "more upside" don't actually have that and the people they considered safe/boring picks are the ones that become stars. Alternatively, sometimes risk must be taken like Howard over Okafor. I'm sure the front office is doing tons of work to decide which player out of the three will benefit us the most long-term.
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Post#916 » by Bigmagicfan82 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 1:33 am

Nyce_1 wrote:EVERYONE says Chet should be the pick but says Orlando is taking Jabari. If this is how it plays out, I don't know if I should be scared or happy. Obviously the FO will trust their principles and philosophies. They better be right.


The way I see it is first you draft on talent then fit. Usually teams break out the players into tiers. So players with similar projected talent and potential levels are on the same tier. All the experts say that Jabari and Chet are both tier one players. Paolo appears to be on the next lower tier. So since Jabari and Chet are on the same tier then it comes down to fit which one you pick. I think Jabari is a better fit.

Hey for all we know all of this could be BS and Orlando picks Paolo or Chet.
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Post#917 » by Magic4champ » Wed Jun 1, 2022 3:01 am

This is where most of the scouts are with regards to Jabari, Chet and Paolo. Mike Schmitz is spot on, FO will do their job and they better make the best for this franchise for the next 5 years. We had sure misses in Hezonia, Bamba, AG and JI in the top 6. Now its #1 choice we better not blow this one and set back the rebuild for another 5 years.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#918 » by Def Swami » Wed Jun 1, 2022 7:39 pm

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It's such a weird trend that most media guys analyzing this draft are saying they would take Holmgren #1 (Givony, Marks, Pelton, Mike Schmitz is on record, Kevin O'Connor has him #1 on his big board, Kyle Mann and Jonathan Tjarks did a whole podcast on why they'd take Chet #1). But there's this consistent report of the Magic having their mind made up about Jabari Smith.

I wish I understood the thought process if it were truly this way. I don't have a problem with picking Smith #1 if you think he's the best player today and tomorrow. What I'm concerned with is if the Magic are going to pick Smith by default because it's the safe pick. Smith isn't going to fail. He's going to fit in perfectly and contribute to winning immediately. If you're a GM or POBO with a short runway, you may not be inclined to take the risk on Holmgren, who might need some seasoning and you have no precedent for working in the NBA. Presti has the runway and cache to roll the dice on Holmgren. Fair or not, there's a fear associated with Holmgren because there's no precedent to a player like him in the NBA. At the same time, a handful of those players are really talented and help transcend the sport. We're really bad at seeing past our internal bias toward prospects, especially ones we don't have good prior comparisons for. Fans, media, and real decision makers make mistakes all the time. I think we miss on players who don't look the part, but are clearly really skilled. Luka Doncic, Trae Young, Stephen Curry, CJ McCollum, Joel Embiid (just some examples off the top of players who were skilled but had some sort of physical flag) debates look so silly in retrospect for their drafts.

Personally, I'm not a huge fan of playing it safe this high in the draft. I'd rather swing for the home run than settle for a double. Part of this might be clouded by my own perception of Smith as prospect. I think he has limitations, but I acknowledge he will help us win games next year. At the same time, I don't really see him as someone you can build around. You wait all these years to finally get the #1 pick; you might as well swing for the fences because who knows when we'll be back here. But if the front office is convinced Smith has some Chris Bosh/KG potential that I might be missing, then I'm game. I don't see it myself, but I've been wrong before.

Holmgren is a really skilled player. You don't have to teach him to shoot, dribble, pass, play defense, or finish. He's going to improve his body in the NBA. But if you're worried about his durability, I get it. I just wish that conversation was rooted in something more tangible than simply "just look at him, he's going to break", because we don't know that. You can't predict injury just by looking at someone. It's not like he has Greg Oden or Brandon Roy knees coming out of college. There's so much more that goes into injury risk on a kinesiology level than "he's underweight." What's his gait like? How does he land? How does he absorb/avoid contact? How coordinated and agile is he? How often is he making quick twitch movements?

I've also come around on Banchero. I think he's going to be really good and would consider him over Smith.
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Post#919 » by zaymon » Wed Jun 1, 2022 8:02 pm

Def Swami wrote:
Bigmagicfan82 wrote:

It's such a weird trend that most media guys analyzing this draft are saying they would take Holmgren #1 (Givony, Marks, Pelton, Mike Schmitz is on record, Kevin O'Connor has him #1 on his big board, Kyle Mann and Jonathan Tjarks did a whole podcast on why they'd take Chet #1). But there's this consistent report of the Magic having their mind made up about Jabari Smith.

I wish I understood the thought process if it were truly this way. I don't have a problem with picking Smith #1 if you think he's the best player today and tomorrow. What I'm concerned with is if the Magic are going to pick Smith by default because it's the safe pick. Smith isn't going to fail. He's going to fit in perfectly and contribute to winning immediately. If you're a GM or POBO with a short runway, you may not be inclined to take the risk on Holmgren, who might need some seasoning and you have no precedent for working in the NBA. Presti has the runway and cache to roll the dice on Holmgren. Fair or not, there's a fear associated with Holmgren because there's no precedent to a player like him in the NBA. At the same time, a handful of those players are really talented and help transcend the sport. We're really bad at seeing past our internal bias toward prospects, especially ones we don't have good prior comparisons for. Fans, media, and real decision makers make mistakes all the time. I think we miss on players who don't look the part, but are clearly really skilled. Luka Doncic, Trae Young, Stephen Curry, CJ McCollum, Joel Embiid (just some examples off the top of players who were skilled but had some sort of physical flag) debates look so silly in retrospect for their drafts.

Personally, I'm not a huge fan of playing it safe this high in the draft. I'd rather swing for the home run than settle for a double. Part of this might be clouded by my own perception of Smith as prospect. I think he has limitations, but I acknowledge he will help us win games next year. At the same time, I don't really see him as someone you can build around. You wait all these years to finally get the #1 pick; you might as well swing for the fences because who knows when we'll be back here. But if the front office is convinced Smith has some Chris Bosh/KG potential that I might be missing, then I'm game. I don't see it myself, but I've been wrong before.

Holmgren is a really skilled player. You don't have to teach him to shoot, dribble, pass, play defense, or finish. He's going to improve his body in the NBA. But if you're worried about his durability, I get it. I just wish that conversation was rooted in something more tangible than simply "just look at him, he's going to break", because we don't know that. You can't predict injury just by looking at someone. It's not like he has Greg Oden or Brandon Roy knees coming out of college. There's so much more that goes into injury risk on a kinesiology level than "he's underweight." What's his gait like? How does he land? How does he absorb/avoid contact? How coordinated and agile is he? How often is he making quick twitch movements?

I've also come around on Banchero. I think he's going to be really good and would consider him over Smith.


Doncic, Young, Curry, Embiid and McCollum have one thing in common, they all can create shots. The most successfull ones can create both for themselves and the others. There is only one player in the top 3 who showed he can do that and thats Banchero. That puts him in different tier for me.
Lets be honest, if we want to pick Paolo number 1, we should do everything to hype Chet and Jabari. I have high opinion of Weltman and I believe thats exactly what he is doing right now.
I listen to many basketball podcasts and many of them have Banchero number one. The crazy push for Smith in usa national media seems fishy like hell to me. Like they ever wanted good for us. (but they are working in our favor in my scenario lol)
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#920 » by tiderulz » Wed Jun 1, 2022 8:20 pm

zaymon wrote:
Def Swami wrote:
Bigmagicfan82 wrote:

It's such a weird trend that most media guys analyzing this draft are saying they would take Holmgren #1 (Givony, Marks, Pelton, Mike Schmitz is on record, Kevin O'Connor has him #1 on his big board, Kyle Mann and Jonathan Tjarks did a whole podcast on why they'd take Chet #1). But there's this consistent report of the Magic having their mind made up about Jabari Smith.

I wish I understood the thought process if it were truly this way. I don't have a problem with picking Smith #1 if you think he's the best player today and tomorrow. What I'm concerned with is if the Magic are going to pick Smith by default because it's the safe pick. Smith isn't going to fail. He's going to fit in perfectly and contribute to winning immediately. If you're a GM or POBO with a short runway, you may not be inclined to take the risk on Holmgren, who might need some seasoning and you have no precedent for working in the NBA. Presti has the runway and cache to roll the dice on Holmgren. Fair or not, there's a fear associated with Holmgren because there's no precedent to a player like him in the NBA. At the same time, a handful of those players are really talented and help transcend the sport. We're really bad at seeing past our internal bias toward prospects, especially ones we don't have good prior comparisons for. Fans, media, and real decision makers make mistakes all the time. I think we miss on players who don't look the part, but are clearly really skilled. Luka Doncic, Trae Young, Stephen Curry, CJ McCollum, Joel Embiid (just some examples off the top of players who were skilled but had some sort of physical flag) debates look so silly in retrospect for their drafts.

Personally, I'm not a huge fan of playing it safe this high in the draft. I'd rather swing for the home run than settle for a double. Part of this might be clouded by my own perception of Smith as prospect. I think he has limitations, but I acknowledge he will help us win games next year. At the same time, I don't really see him as someone you can build around. You wait all these years to finally get the #1 pick; you might as well swing for the fences because who knows when we'll be back here. But if the front office is convinced Smith has some Chris Bosh/KG potential that I might be missing, then I'm game. I don't see it myself, but I've been wrong before.

Holmgren is a really skilled player. You don't have to teach him to shoot, dribble, pass, play defense, or finish. He's going to improve his body in the NBA. But if you're worried about his durability, I get it. I just wish that conversation was rooted in something more tangible than simply "just look at him, he's going to break", because we don't know that. You can't predict injury just by looking at someone. It's not like he has Greg Oden or Brandon Roy knees coming out of college. There's so much more that goes into injury risk on a kinesiology level than "he's underweight." What's his gait like? How does he land? How does he absorb/avoid contact? How coordinated and agile is he? How often is he making quick twitch movements?

I've also come around on Banchero. I think he's going to be really good and would consider him over Smith.


Doncic, Young, Curry, Embiid and McCollum have one thing in common, they all can create shots. The most successfull ones can create both for themselves and the others. There is only one player in the top 3 who showed he can do that and thats Banchero. That puts him in different tier for me.
Lets be honest, if we want to pick Paolo number 1, we should do everything to hype Chet and Jabari. I have high opinion of Weltman and I believe thats exactly what he is doing right now.
I listen to many basketball podcasts and many of them have Banchero number one. The crazy push for Smith in usa national media seems fishy like hell to me. Like they ever wanted good for us. (but they are working in our favor in my scenario lol)

if the front office wants Banchero, they HAVE to call up Houston and get #17 and possibly another pick.

but another thing, people can think what they want, but this front office hasnt let much slip out, so people are only guessing who they think Orlando might like at 1 (Jabari in your message). and im sure the team doctors will be all over him when he comes into the bldg for workouts and look at his body, gait, etc to determine his durability.

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