What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time?

[PaulLee]

Nothing. Curry will never be top 10 for me. I don't have him in Top 20 so far.

Who is in your top 15-20?

[WarriorGM]

So wait, you AREN’T trying to argue that Curry is better to build around? Then what exactly is your argument here? Because you literally just got done saying that Curry is better based on how it took less time for Curry to win a title than LeBron. So explain what exactly your point is here, because now you just went from making asinine statements to not making any sense.

Curry is better to build around but not exactly easier to build around for optimal results.

Okay, now again, I ask: what are you basing this on? LeBron is a better playmaker, a better defender literally capable of turning a team into a top ten, sometimes even top 5, in his prime almost entirely on his own. And he was an elite scorer on top of that. He can play multiple positions. And has won championships with three completely different teams, all as the best player. I see no argument for Curry being better to build around other than he’s a better teammate, which is a valid point, but not when the talent gap is as wide as it is.

Curry is a better playmaker. He initiates many plays simply by moving and drawing defensive attention away from the ball. This is not picked up by conventional stats. Curry is a more efficient scorer. Curry covers the court better with his movement. All this combined makes Curry a more chaotic presence which causes breakdowns in opponent's scheme and focus. Curry has been on more top defensive teams than LeBron has. Curry has shown he's capable of turning teams around without trading for another superstar mortgaging a team's future.

[TheLand13]

Curry is better to build around but not exactly easier to build around for optimal results.

Okay, now again, I ask: what are you basing this on? LeBron is a better playmaker, a better defender literally capable of turning a team into a top ten, sometimes even top 5, in his prime almost entirely on his own. And he was an elite scorer on top of that. He can play multiple positions. And has won championships with three completely different teams, all as the best player. I see no argument for Curry being better to build around other than he’s a better teammate, which is a valid point, but not when the talent gap is as wide as it is.

Curry is a better playmaker. He initiates many plays simply by moving and drawing defensive attention away from the ball. This is not picked up by conventional stats. Curry is a more efficient scorer. Curry covers the court better with his movement. All this combined makes Curry a more chaotic presence which causes breakdowns in opponent's scheme and focus. Curry has been on more top defensive teams than LeBron has. Curry has shown he's capable of turning teams around without trading for another superstar mortgaging a team's future.

The fact that you’re trying to argue that Curry is a better playmaker than LeBron gives me more reasons to not take you seriously. Lebron’s biggest weakness in that regard is always going to be his off ball play. But he’s one of the all time greats at spotting an opening in the defense. He’s one of the best passers of this generation. He knows what play to make most of the time. And no matter how limited you might be, he will find a way to get you involved in the offense and set you up with scoring opportunities. Curry is an underrated playmaker, but he’s not even the best one on his own team. LeBron is top 15, if not top 10 all time in that regard. It’s not even close.

Curry has been on more elite defensive schemes? What does that even mean? Is that your half assed attempt at trying to argue that Curry is better at that end? He’s not a better defender than LeBron. Just stop.

Yes, Curry hasn’t done the lol worthy stuff LeBron has done to franchises. Guess what? LeBron wasn’t handed Kevin Durant on a silver platter after losing in the finals. If only LeBron and many others in NBA history were able to receive a Durant type of player for losing in the finals. Either way, none of this disproves my original point.

So far none of your points have held up well at all. You’re gonna have to do a lot better than this.

[WarriorGM]

Okay, now again, I ask: what are you basing this on? LeBron is a better playmaker, a better defender literally capable of turning a team into a top ten, sometimes even top 5, in his prime almost entirely on his own. And he was an elite scorer on top of that. He can play multiple positions. And has won championships with three completely different teams, all as the best player. I see no argument for Curry being better to build around other than he’s a better teammate, which is a valid point, but not when the talent gap is as wide as it is.

Curry is a better playmaker. He initiates many plays simply by moving and drawing defensive attention away from the ball. This is not picked up by conventional stats. Curry is a more efficient scorer. Curry covers the court better with his movement. All this combined makes Curry a more chaotic presence which causes breakdowns in opponent's scheme and focus. Curry has been on more top defensive teams than LeBron has. Curry has shown he's capable of turning teams around without trading for another superstar mortgaging a team's future.

The fact that you’re trying to argue that Curry is a better playmaker than LeBron gives me more reasons to not take you seriously. Lebron’s biggest weakness in that regard is always going to be his off ball play. But he’s one of the all time greats at spotting an opening in the defense. He’s one of the best passers of this generation. He knows what play to make most of the time. And no matter how limited you might be, he will find a way to get you involved in the offense and set you up with scoring opportunities. Curry is an underrated playmaker, but he’s not even the best one on his own team. LeBron is top 15, if not top 10 all time in that regard. It’s not even close.

Curry has been on more elite defensive schemes? What does that even mean? Is that your half assed attempt at trying to argue that Curry is better at that end? He’s not a better defender than LeBron. Just stop.

Yes, Curry hasn’t done the lol worthy stuff LeBron has done to franchises. Guess what? LeBron wasn’t handed Kevin Durant on a silver platter after losing in the finals. If only LeBron and many others in NBA history were able to receive a Durant type of player for losing in the finals. Either way, none of this disproves my original point.

So far none of your points have held up well at all. You’re gonna have to do a lot better than this.

You don't have to take me seriously if you don't want to. But we're having this conversation because Curry is in the finals once again and the vast majority of people here arguing with me probably didn't see that coming while I did. If you want to remain in the dark that's your choice.

[Drakeem]

Nothing he can do. Doesn't matter really what other accolades he gets, comparing peak performances of their prime years (lets say 7-8 years) clearly shows who the better player is. Accolades only comes into play if you're practically splitting hairs.

[metalinguss]

It would take a miracle. We're talking about a consensus top 2/3 player of all time who is also already the GOAT in many people's eyes.

[Wolfgang630]

Nothing. He’ll never be as great as Lebron

[jfs1000d]

What will it take? A lot of cannabis.


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[Myth]

I chose the gap is too large, because it would take Curry threepeating as the undisputed best performer on his team, which just isn’t going to happen. It is ok to prefer a player over another player you rank higher, and many seem to struggle with this concept.

[Roger Murdock]

He's a worse individual player and has no shot of ever being better than LeBron. But Curry is a franchise talent and LeBron is a mercenary.

If I was a fan of a team Steph is in my top 5 players I'd draft to start a team. I'd have LeBron in the 15-20 range where you YOLO it and hope for a title in the first few years knowing he's going to leave at some point.

[Joshyjess]

A Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich should about do it.

[NBA4Lyfe]

Curry lags behind so many alltime greats in stats like winshares and vorp

[Johnny Tomala]

Nothing. Curry will never be top 10 for me. I don't have him in Top 20 so far.

Who is in your top 15-20?

MJ, KAJ, Russell, LBJ, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq

KG, Oscar Robertson, Kobe Bryant, K. Malone, Dirk

West, M. Malone, Mikan, J. Erving, D. Robinson, Barkley

With a ring this year he will move past Julius Erving, but that's it. He need a lot more All-NBA teams and quality seasons to move higher.

[bradybunch]

Already have Curry ahead of him.

Curry is the main piece on a dynasty team and he changed the way basketball is played. LeBron team hopped because he has zero competitive integrity.

I'd easily pick Curry over LeBron if I owned a franchise. Easily.

[jazzed77]

Is there anything Curry can do in the last few years of his career to get you to change your mind? Or maybe some already have Steph ahead.

Personally it'll take a number more top 5 seasons for me. I'm not sure how many.

I'm a huge curry fan but I don't see anything short of multiple championships/mvp/fmvp even making this a conversation. I don't care for a lot of the things LeBron does but his impact/ability as a basketball player is insane.

[BeiBeau]

The gap is realistically a bit too big. I have Duncan at 5 and I think if Curry gets a ring or 2 plus a MVP and FMVP he would beat out Duncan and maybe Magic who I have at 4. Kareem at 3 is probably Curry's ceiling for me.

[TheLand13]

Curry is a better playmaker. He initiates many plays simply by moving and drawing defensive attention away from the ball. This is not picked up by conventional stats. Curry is a more efficient scorer. Curry covers the court better with his movement. All this combined makes Curry a more chaotic presence which causes breakdowns in opponent's scheme and focus. Curry has been on more top defensive teams than LeBron has. Curry has shown he's capable of turning teams around without trading for another superstar mortgaging a team's future.

The fact that you’re trying to argue that Curry is a better playmaker than LeBron gives me more reasons to not take you seriously. Lebron’s biggest weakness in that regard is always going to be his off ball play. But he’s one of the all time greats at spotting an opening in the defense. He’s one of the best passers of this generation. He knows what play to make most of the time. And no matter how limited you might be, he will find a way to get you involved in the offense and set you up with scoring opportunities. Curry is an underrated playmaker, but he’s not even the best one on his own team. LeBron is top 15, if not top 10 all time in that regard. It’s not even close.

Curry has been on more elite defensive schemes? What does that even mean? Is that your half assed attempt at trying to argue that Curry is better at that end? He’s not a better defender than LeBron. Just stop.

Yes, Curry hasn’t done the lol worthy stuff LeBron has done to franchises. Guess what? LeBron wasn’t handed Kevin Durant on a silver platter after losing in the finals. If only LeBron and many others in NBA history were able to receive a Durant type of player for losing in the finals. Either way, none of this disproves my original point.

So far none of your points have held up well at all. You’re gonna have to do a lot better than this.

You don't have to take me seriously if you don't want to. But we're having this conversation because Curry is in the finals once again and the vast majority of people here arguing with me probably didn't see that coming while I did. If you want to remain in the dark that's your choice.

Who out there didn’t see that coming? A lot of people, myself included, thought there was a very good chance that the warriors would be back in the finals if they were healthy. No one is denying how great the Warriors are, and no one is staying in the dark on this. The problem is that’s the main basis of your argument regarding why one individual is better than the other. That’s not how this works. That’s the kind of **** I expect to see on YouTube, or from the guy in my sig.

If your best argument for why Curry is superior is based entirely on team based aspects of the game, it’s time to concede. You tried doing the same nonsense in another thread and you came up flat and defeated. Explain why Curry is a better player than LeBron (and don’t say you have because no you haven’t), or admit you are just too big of a warriors fan to admit LeBron is superior.

[Onlytimewilltel]

It sounds like all time scoring point total is the primary metric to be the ATG......

Indeed, and I suppose that's why everyone agrees Kareem is the GOAT and they laugh off the notion that Jordan would be in the conversation.

For a senior mod, you’ve got some childish takes here

[DaPessimist]

Love Curry, but he's a tier below LeBron and always will be.

[Onlytimewilltel]

The real question is did he pass Kobe All-time?

Very true. That’s debatable. Lebron thing is not a realistic argument at this point. Kobe comparison is.