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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#21 » by arkuo » Wed Jun 1, 2022 7:20 am

I'd personally invest on a veteran or two that knows how to win. At times, Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown look like headless chickens, but you got guys like Al Horford holding it down.

You need a vocal leader come playoff time. The other 3 teams in the conference finals had Horford and Smart, Draymond and Haslem. Dallas has Powell, DFS, Bullock and Brunson at the starting 5 next to Luka and none of them talk and pull guys by the collar when the going gets tough. ideally Luka fills that role too but to me he is similar to Steph that he smiles a lot while playing. He's not the dog that barks.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#22 » by Maverick41 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 8:14 am

arkuo wrote:I'd personally invest on a veteran or two that knows how to win. At times, Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown look like headless chickens, but you got guys like Al Horford holding it down.

You need a vocal leader come playoff time. The other 3 teams in the conference finals had Horford and Smart, Draymond and Haslem. Dallas has Powell, DFS, Bullock and Brunson at the starting 5 next to Luka and none of them talk and pull guys by the collar when the going gets tough. ideally Luka fills that role too but to me he is similar to Steph that he smiles a lot while playing. He's not the dog that barks.

Yeah a vocal vet would definitely help. I've mentioned this many times but it often seems like everyone is scared of Luka. I rarely see anyone hold him accountable like I do with the other 3 Conference finals teams. The closest thing to that is Kidd but even he tries to tip-toe around it.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#23 » by arkuo » Wed Jun 1, 2022 10:02 am

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arkuo wrote:Here's the depressing part. Not one of those realistic targets will move the needle to get past the Warriors or the Clippers.

Realistically you are looking at running it back with essentially the same team, just capped out with Brunson probably earning $25M per. And with a new center in tow.

Just poor cap management by Donnie. Golden State is hard capped but they have Steph, Klay, and Draymond. Dallas will be hard capped but they have Luka, Brunson, Dinwiddie and THJ to show for it. Hard capped and not a single all star outside of Luka.


The KP gamble still stings. 2 firsts lost and stuck overpaying Bertans because of it.


It could have been worst. The Lakers screwed their franchise when they traded for Westbrook and they can't dump him. No cap room, no tradeable assets and no picks. :lol:
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#24 » by Jg41 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 5:02 pm

1) Trade D. Powell, J. Green, 26th Pick to HOU for C. Wood

2) Trade T. Hardaway Jr., D. Bertans, 2025 2nd, Cash Considerations to CHA for G. Hayward & K. Jones

3) Trade F. Ntilikina, M. Chriss, 2027 2nd to LAC for N. Batum

4) Resign Brunson, Pinson, & Wright

PG: L. Doncic (35) / S. Dinwiddie (25) / T. Burke
SG: R. Bullock (30) / J. Brunson (30) / S. Brown
SF: G. Hayward (30) / N. Batum (15) / T. Pinson
PF: D. Finney-Smith (30) / M. Kleber (20) / M. Wright
C: C. Wood (25) / B. Marjanovic / K. Jones

This plan largely preserves future draft capital and sheds everyone but Luka, Brunson, and Dodo off the books for the Summer of '24. Maxi could be added to that core on the cheap next summer (perhaps along with Wood), but the main thrust of these maneuvers would be to add reinforcements to this team for the coming two year window without sacrificing our ability to trade first round picks beyond '23 or to utilize our cap flexibility in '24.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#25 » by arkuo » Wed Jun 1, 2022 6:11 pm

TJ Warren somehow fell off the map. A season ending injury might have silenced the news about him but he is only a year removed from his playoff bubble scoring of 40 and 50 pts. Could be worth a shot if he's willing to take the minimum.
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Post#26 » by BeiBeau » Wed Jun 1, 2022 9:52 pm

Jg41 wrote:1) Trade D. Powell, J. Green, 26th Pick to HOU for C. Wood

2) Trade T. Hardaway Jr., D. Bertans, 2025 2nd, Cash Considerations to CHA for G. Hayward & K. Jones

3) Trade F. Ntilikina, M. Chriss, 2027 2nd to LAC for N. Batum

4) Resign Brunson, Pinson, & Wright

PG: L. Doncic (35) / S. Dinwiddie (25) / T. Burke
SG: R. Bullock (30) / J. Brunson (30) / S. Brown
SF: G. Hayward (30) / N. Batum (15) / T. Pinson
PF: D. Finney-Smith (30) / M. Kleber (20) / M. Wright
C: C. Wood (25) / B. Marjanovic / K. Jones

This plan largely preserves future draft capital and sheds everyone but Luka, Brunson, and Dodo off the books for the Summer of '24. Maxi could be added to that core on the cheap next summer (perhaps along with Wood), but the main thrust of these maneuvers would be to add reinforcements to this team for the coming two year window without sacrificing our ability to trade first round picks beyond '23 or to utilize our cap flexibility in '24.


The Wood trade is also what I want.

But Charolette isn't gonna take on Bertans for just a 2nd and THJ isn't better then Hayward and is also on a worse contract. If Charolette does that deal just don't call them suckers until after the trade is done.

I'm ehh on the Batum trade, Ntilikina is developing his 3 and his defense off the bench is great.

Also Brunson won't resign here just to be sent to the bench. So Hayward would need to be 6th man.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#27 » by agentofatlas » Thu Jun 2, 2022 3:40 am

Not high on Wood. Wrong kind of center. The Mavs need low usage hustle guys at the 5 spot.
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Post#28 » by HMFFL » Thu Jun 2, 2022 4:04 am

What would Philadelphia give us to take Tobias Harris off their books?

$37m
$39m

Tobias hasn't lived up to his salary but he can be consistent and he seems to be drama free.

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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#29 » by BeiBeau » Thu Jun 2, 2022 4:30 am

HMFFL wrote:What would Philadelphia give us to take Tobias Harris off their books?

$37m
$39m

Tobias hasn't lived up to his salary but he can be consistent and he seems to be drama free.

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They're one of the few teams that need actually need depth and shooters.

THJ/Bertans/Burke/2024 2nd/2026 2nd for Harris?

I bet THJ and Bertans average to shoot 38-39% from 3 next year. And THJs contract will only get more team friendly.

I think that's a short term upgrade and we dump a lot of long term money. Harris would also love to be with Bobi again.

Let Harris come off the bench with Dinwiddie and be the most expensive 6th man ever.
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Post#30 » by BeiBeau » Thu Jun 2, 2022 4:41 am

agentofatlas wrote:Not high on Wood. Wrong kind of center. The Mavs need low usage hustle guys at the 5 spot.


He's not my ideal defensive center(obviously) but he's good on the switch and I think in Dallas where we have great chemistry and he's playing for a contender(which is what he wants) he'll put in more effort. However, offensively I completely disagree. His efficiency is out of this world and he's an elite rim runner with Luka feeding him. I like that he's a bit higher usage. Luka's usage was 37 percent last year. Highest usage ever on a championship team was MJ with 34 percent. Plus with Wood doing a bit more of the offense Luka can save something for the 4th quarter. There were several times, like at the end of game 6 against Utah where Luka was settling for long turn around 2s because he was dead tired.
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Post#31 » by agentofatlas » Thu Jun 2, 2022 5:23 am

BeiBeau wrote:
agentofatlas wrote:Not high on Wood. Wrong kind of center. The Mavs need low usage hustle guys at the 5 spot.


He's not my ideal defensive center(obviously) but he's good on the switch and I think in Dallas where we have great chemistry and he's playing for a contender(which is what he wants) he'll put in more effort. However, offensively I completely disagree. His efficiency is out of this world and he's an elite rim runner with Luka feeding him. I like that he's a bit higher usage. Luka's usage was 37 percent last year. Highest usage ever on a championship team was MJ with 34 percent. Plus with Wood doing a bit more of the offense Luka can save something for the 4th quarter. There were several times, like at the end of game 6 against Utah where Luka was settling for long turn around 2s because he was dead tired.


Agree with Luka's usage but very much disagree with how you plan to go about it. The usage in my opinion should transfer to the wings not the front court. The team looks best when DFS is putting the ball on the deck and driving. More dribble drive threats the better for the Mavs.

As for Wood (watched some of his games cause he's on my fantasy team), yes he produces offensively but he can't pass or play any defense. Worse of all he sees himself a franchise corner stone, a star. Probably the worse type of player you want on the team. Now I may be wrong in all of this and he and his game matures eventually but I'd stay away from him at the moment.

Mavs need to keep it simple. Use the Raps as a template. Low usage bigs. Athletic wings.
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Post#32 » by Maverick41 » Thu Jun 2, 2022 5:43 am

BeiBeau wrote:He's not my ideal defensive center(obviously) but he's good on the switch and I think in Dallas where we have great chemistry and he's playing for a contender(which is what he wants) he'll put in more effort. However, offensively I completely disagree. His efficiency is out of this world and he's an elite rim runner with Luka feeding him. I like that he's a bit higher usage. Luka's usage was 37 percent last year. Highest usage ever on a championship team was MJ with 34 percent. Plus with Wood doing a bit more of the offense Luka can save something for the 4th quarter. There were several times, like at the end of game 6 against Utah where Luka was settling for long turn around 2s because he was dead tired.

I agree in the sense that I like getting a guy that has higher usage and has been proven to be an efficient player. Luka's RS usage % was 37% and far exceeded 40% in the playoffs. As good as he is, no-one should ever have to carry the load that much. I don't think that's Luka's fault but more-so of how the team is built. Goal should be to is get some guys to take some of that load off of Luka. The fresher Luka can be, the better his closing ability and the better his defense can be.

Not sure Wood is that guy but I definitely think he helps offensively.
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Post#33 » by BeiBeau » Thu Jun 2, 2022 6:15 am

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BeiBeau wrote:
agentofatlas wrote:Not high on Wood. Wrong kind of center. The Mavs need low usage hustle guys at the 5 spot.


He's not my ideal defensive center(obviously) but he's good on the switch and I think in Dallas where we have great chemistry and he's playing for a contender(which is what he wants) he'll put in more effort. However, offensively I completely disagree. His efficiency is out of this world and he's an elite rim runner with Luka feeding him. I like that he's a bit higher usage. Luka's usage was 37 percent last year. Highest usage ever on a championship team was MJ with 34 percent. Plus with Wood doing a bit more of the offense Luka can save something for the 4th quarter. There were several times, like at the end of game 6 against Utah where Luka was settling for long turn around 2s because he was dead tired.


Agree with Luka's usage but very much disagree with how you plan to go about it. The usage in my opinion should transfer to the wings not the front court. The team looks best when DFS is putting the ball on the deck and driving. More dribble drive threats the better for the Mavs.

As for Wood (watched some of his games cause he's on my fantasy team), yes he produces offensively but he can't pass or play any defense. Worse of all he sees himself a franchise corner stone, a star. Probably the worse type of player you want on the team. Now I may be wrong in all of this and he and his game matures eventually but I'd stay away from him at the moment.

Mavs need to keep it simple. Use the Raps as a template. Low usage bigs. Athletic wings.


I fully believe a large chunk of his defensive woes are because the Rockets are tanking, they're not running much of a system, and there isn't a culture of defensive effort. Nobody on that team is trying defensively and his passing is on par with Valanciunas, Vucevic, and Ayton in my eyes.

As for the front court/wings usage I don't really care I just want it to be efficient and Wood is. I agree that DFS should maybe look to attack his close out off the dribble more but he's not much of a ball handler. However, THJ can do that but he's an even worse passer then Wood.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#34 » by agentofatlas » Thu Jun 2, 2022 8:02 am

BeiBeau wrote:
agentofatlas wrote:
BeiBeau wrote:
He's not my ideal defensive center(obviously) but he's good on the switch and I think in Dallas where we have great chemistry and he's playing for a contender(which is what he wants) he'll put in more effort. However, offensively I completely disagree. His efficiency is out of this world and he's an elite rim runner with Luka feeding him. I like that he's a bit higher usage. Luka's usage was 37 percent last year. Highest usage ever on a championship team was MJ with 34 percent. Plus with Wood doing a bit more of the offense Luka can save something for the 4th quarter. There were several times, like at the end of game 6 against Utah where Luka was settling for long turn around 2s because he was dead tired.


Agree with Luka's usage but very much disagree with how you plan to go about it. The usage in my opinion should transfer to the wings not the front court. The team looks best when DFS is putting the ball on the deck and driving. More dribble drive threats the better for the Mavs.

As for Wood (watched some of his games cause he's on my fantasy team), yes he produces offensively but he can't pass or play any defense. Worse of all he sees himself a franchise corner stone, a star. Probably the worse type of player you want on the team. Now I may be wrong in all of this and he and his game matures eventually but I'd stay away from him at the moment.

Mavs need to keep it simple. Use the Raps as a template. Low usage bigs. Athletic wings.


I fully believe a large chunk of his defensive woes are because the Rockets are tanking, they're not running much of a system, and there isn't a culture of defensive effort. Nobody on that team is trying defensively and his passing is on par with Valanciunas, Vucevic, and Ayton in my eyes.

As for the front court/wings usage I don't really care I just want it to be efficient and Wood is. I agree that DFS should maybe look to attack his close out off the dribble more but he's not much of a ball handler. However, THJ can do that but he's an even worse passer then Wood.


The premise is sound, Luka does need to lower his usage, but will Wood force him to that? I don't think so. If anything the coaching staff will concluded that possessions by Wood would be better served with Brunson or Dinwiddie controlling the ball. They're probably not interested in that force feeding **** again after KP. It railroads the offense to much and defensively Wood won't bring anything significant to the table.

Anyways the biggest red flag to me about Wood is that he has a weak motor. Shows no effort whatsoever. I don't buy that it's because he's on a losing team. Wood will only be good value if he is willing to come off the bench for about 15 mins for offense. That's his role on a winning team.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#35 » by HMFFL » Fri Jun 3, 2022 6:44 pm

Watching Bobby's situation.


Milwaukee’s Bobby Portis can become a free agent this offseason if he bypasses a $4.6 million player option for 2022-23, but there is already tangible resignation from some interested teams that they won’t have any shot at luring Portis away from the Bucks. The expectation already in circulation is that Portis will re-sign with Milwaukee on a multi-year deal even if he does opt for free agency.

 

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Post#36 » by Archx » Fri Jun 3, 2022 6:49 pm

HMFFL wrote:Watching Bobby's situation.


Milwaukee’s Bobby Portis can become a free agent this offseason if he bypasses a $4.6 million player option for 2022-23, but there is already tangible resignation from some interested teams that they won’t have any shot at luring Portis away from the Bucks. The expectation already in circulation is that Portis will re-sign with Milwaukee on a multi-year deal even if he does opt for free agency.

 

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If i remember correctly he took a seirous paycut to stay with Bucks the last time, i can't see him leaving specially if they pay him more this time.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#37 » by Mavrelous » Sat Jun 4, 2022 8:24 am

Yeah he took the pay cut so that they'd have his early bird rights the off season and can offer him larger and longer contract, he's not going anywhere, same for Batum, who I also really like.
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Post#38 » by LAL1947 » Sat Jun 4, 2022 8:43 am

HMFFL wrote:Watching Bobby's situation.

Milwaukee’s Bobby Portis can become a free agent this offseason if he bypasses a $4.6 million player option for 2022-23, but there is already tangible resignation from some interested teams that they won’t have any shot at luring Portis away from the Bucks. The expectation already in circulation is that Portis will re-sign with Milwaukee on a multi-year deal even if he does opt for free agency.

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I don't understand. If he opts for free agency... then how can the Bucks re-sign him when they don't have cap-space?

Anyway, CBA says Early Bird Rights allow teams to pay players either 175% of his previous salary or 104.5% of the average league salary, whichever is higher. 175% of $4.65m is $7.6M... but I don't know what dollar figure they use for average league salary.
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Post#39 » by Mavrelous » Sat Jun 4, 2022 9:18 am

LAL1947 wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Watching Bobby's situation.

Milwaukee’s Bobby Portis can become a free agent this offseason if he bypasses a $4.6 million player option for 2022-23, but there is already tangible resignation from some interested teams that they won’t have any shot at luring Portis away from the Bucks. The expectation already in circulation is that Portis will re-sign with Milwaukee on a multi-year deal even if he does opt for free agency.

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I don't understand. If he opts for free agency... then how can the Bucks re-sign him when they don't have cap-space?

Anyway, CBA says Early Bird Rights allow teams to pay players either 175% of his previous salary or 104.5% of the average league salary, whichever is higher. 175% of $4.65m is $7.6M... but I don't know what dollar figure they use for average league salary.

He could get a contract up to 55/4 or something like that, similar to DFS extention.
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Post#40 » by Darren » Sun Jun 5, 2022 6:53 am

1.Turner or Bamba from trade + Dragic from FA + rookie backcourt
2. Rookies + Hartenstein (it may work if LAC plans to add Blake Griffin)
3. Rookies + Either McGee or Biyombo

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