Danny 'WaRChEsT' Ainge was playing Chess while much of RealGM was playing Checkers.

[ropjhk]

The whole draft picks war chest thing was always brought up in any Celtics trade rumour but it wasn't until Anthony Davis got traded where I think many people started to really get critical of Ainge. So from the OP the only players drafted since then were G.Williams and Pritchard.

Still, if the point to be made is that the Celtics made the right move by keeping Tatum and Brown and continuing to rebuild around those two then I would agree. Losing Kyrie, Kemba and having to bring back Horford doesn't sound like winning moves but having two young stars and multiple draft picks to build around them more than makes up for anything else.

I wonder though how much credit Ainge deserves over Stevens. If Ainge was still in charge, Stevens as coach and Kemba still on the roster instead of Horford would the Celtics be in the Finals right now? Somehow it feels to me that Stevens contributions as GM are being overlooked.

[jfs1000d]

It's kind of funny to make this thread now when the Celtics wouldn't have made the finals if they hadn't fired Ainge.

They didn’t fire Ainge. Lol.


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[Chanel Bomber]

The architects of the Celtics and Raptors - who happen to be two of the best executives in the last 20 years - have seen the evolution of the game and were the first to adapt.

They saw the need to switch to survive defensively against the pick-and-roll in an era where players can pull-up from 3 and hit at a high percentage.

They are ahead of most other franchises in accepting the new reality of the NBA and adjusting to it.

That's arguably why both teams are better than the sum of their parts.

[LordCovington33]

He's right. Majority of this board thought it was an overpay at the time.

Maybe right when it was signed, but that didn't last too long once the season got underway.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1899006&p=78879924&hilit=brown#p78879924

Found it for you.

Poll results

71% bad for Boston

*Edit. It was actually at 78% for bad for Boston but it was bumped last year so went down to 71%. Just go read the first 3-4 pages

My bad. I thought the new contract was signed the year when he was already a 20PPG player (I thought the 4th season numbers were his 3rd ones ).

2nd season numbers: 14.5/5/1.5
3rd season numbers: 13/4/1.5
(Sign extension)
4th season: 20/6.5/2

I don’t think you can really blame people for thinking that 25m for a player whose numbers got worse from year 2 and 3 was an overpay. The jump in production after that was crazy. Kudos to Ainge for having faith in Brown. It paid off.

[LordCovington33]

The majority said the Jaylen Brown deal was bad? Unless proof, I call BS. That was a great deal at the time.

I have COVID so I’m isolating away from my family and have a **** ton of spare time. I was reading the Jaylen Brown extension thread and not only did you post in it, you didn’t like the extension.

Getting paid way more than they are worth motivates a player to have a big year? Wasn’t that the logic behind offering Wiggins an albatross? I can understand a player’s free agency could become a big talking point if the player is an All Star or a likely one (e.g. Tatum), but we are talking about Jaylen Brown. There has also been talk about the Hawks having interest in him, but they just used two top 10 draft picks on wings. Who else was targeting him at the price he is supposedly commanding?

Haha just noticing this now. Should have replied to this one instead. When I replied earlier in this thread, I thought he was already a 20PPG player - which only happened after the contract. I still stand by those comments based on his production at the time. I was wrong obviously. Good luck in the Finals.

[jumblin]

The one glaring thing I hated about Aigne's tenure was Kyrie. Bringing cancer into a locker room as young as that one was was a terrible idea. And then being naive enough to think Kyrie was gonna resign cost them a chance to trade him at the deadline. And what no one talks about is that the reason Horford left for Philly is because he didn't want to play with Kyrie. The whole thing cost them massively.
That team of Smart/Tatum/Brown/Horford/Hayward would have been phenomenal if they had traded Kyrie at the deadline and gotten some complementary pieces.

Other than that, Ainge did a create job maximizing the value of the chest.

[scottyno]

The one glaring thing I hated about Aigne's tenure was Kyrie. Bringing cancer into a locker room as young as that one was was a terrible idea. And then being naive enough to think Kyrie was gonna resign cost them a chance to trade him at the deadline. And what no one talks about is that the reason Horford left for Philly is because he didn't want to play with Kyrie. The whole thing cost them massively.
That team of Smart/Tatum/Brown/Horford/Hayward would have been phenomenal if they had traded Kyrie at the deadline and gotten some complementary pieces.

Other than that, Ainge did a create job maximizing the value of the chest.

Horford left because he didn't want to play with Kyrie... who the whole world knew was going to leave Boston already? Yeah that doesn't check out.

[Pennebaker]

Yeah but he hasn't won anything since 2008 and the only reason the Celtics made it through to the finals this season was because of strange circumstances with the Nets and the Middleton injury, so I wouldn't get too excited. Losing in the finals is worse than not making it there in the first place.

[WESCO]

This is one thing I actually love about both Boston and GSW.

They were patient with their draft picks and let them organically grow together.

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The one glaring thing I hated about Aigne's tenure was Kyrie. Bringing cancer into a locker room as young as that one was was a terrible idea. And then being naive enough to think Kyrie was gonna resign cost them a chance to trade him at the deadline. And what no one talks about is that the reason Horford left for Philly is because he didn't want to play with Kyrie. The whole thing cost them massively.
That team of Smart/Tatum/Brown/Horford/Hayward would have been phenomenal if they had traded Kyrie at the deadline and gotten some complementary pieces.

Other than that, Ainge did a create job maximizing the value of the chest.

Kemba was a horrible signing too, all the more if it cost them the chance to outbid Philly for Horford.

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The one glaring thing I hated about Aigne's tenure was Kyrie. Bringing cancer into a locker room as young as that one was was a terrible idea. And then being naive enough to think Kyrie was gonna resign cost them a chance to trade him at the deadline. And what no one talks about is that the reason Horford left for Philly is because he didn't want to play with Kyrie. The whole thing cost them massively.
That team of Smart/Tatum/Brown/Horford/Hayward would have been phenomenal if they had traded Kyrie at the deadline and gotten some complementary pieces.

Other than that, Ainge did a create job maximizing the value of the chest.

Horford left because he didn't want to play with Kyrie... who the whole world knew was going to leave Boston already? Yeah that doesn't check out.

Horford obviously accepted tampering, and decided to leave before it was known Kyrie would leave himself.

Whether he really was as firmly committed to Philly as it seemed he was is less clear.

[Fencer reregistered]

Anyhow, Ainge was excellent through the point that he ahd drafted the Jays, signed Horford, signed Hayward (even though that worked out badly due to injury), and picked up Marcus Morris, Aron Baynes and Daniel Theis on the cheap. He also of course got Marcus Smart and Jae Crowder.

His last few years, however, he was in slump, the excellent drafting of the Williamses and Pritchard notwithstanding.

[JimmyPlopper]

I don't want to tread on the happiness on his fans but I just always considered Ainge to be pretty average overall. but as I understand it, this thread relates to folks who were trolls or something in the past. Whoever those trolls are if they haven't been banned are probably laughing that they have provoked this sort of reaction.

[Fencer reregistered]

I don't want to tread on the happiness on his fans but I just always considered Ainge to be pretty average overall. but as I understand it, this thread relates to folks who were trolls or something in the past. Whoever those trolls are if they haven't been banned are probably laughing that they have provoked this sort of reaction.

His results were above average: Decently above league mean and way above league median.

[Johnny Bball]

It's kind of funny to make this thread now when the Celtics wouldn't have made the finals if they hadn't fired Ainge.

They didn’t fire Ainge. Lol.


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Sure they did.

[Crunch 99]

ainge is still mediocre. most of his warchest busted. just look at him destroying utah in 1 yr.

How has Ainge destroyed Utah in one season?

Ironically, Brad Stevens inherited a great young core comprised of great draft picks and re-signings by Ainge --- Tatum, Brown, Smart, the two Williams and Pritchard, whereas Jazz CEO Ainge inherited a partially old Jazz roster part way through this season --- with the older Ingles, Conley, Bogey and Gay, inherited a roster where most of the future Jazz picks have already been traded away and inherited a roster that has no particularly easy, tradable contracts outside of considering trading Mitchell or Gobert.

Ainge's only moves so far have been to sign Danuel House off the scrap heap at the trade deadline, and to trade soon to be 35 year old Joe Ingles with his ACL injury and expiring contract for Juancho Hernangomez and NAW. Both House and Hernangomez have already made significant contributions and were excellent pickups considering how little roster flexibility Ainge had to work with. Perhaps NAW can eventually play too, but he didn't see much action.

[ITYSL]

Yeah but he hasn't won anything since 2008 and the only reason the Celtics made it through to the finals this season was because of strange circumstances with the Nets and the Middleton injury, so I wouldn't get too excited. Losing in the finals is worse than not making it there in the first place.

Lol

[Nebuchadnezzar]

LOL how many years are we going to talk about this for - I still see zero rings - nor have the beaten anyone of note. The sixers, bucks, nets, and heat of 2022 - are nothing compared to our championship team and preceding EC finalists. Why don't you wait until they have a ring in tow.....oh wait there is no way in hell this team is beating Golden State.

[Raps in 4]

Realgm got exposed.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Maybe right when it was signed, but that didn't last too long once the season got underway.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1899006&p=78879924&hilit=brown#p78879924

Found it for you.

Poll results

71% bad for Boston

*Edit. It was actually at 78% for bad for Boston but it was bumped last year so went down to 71%. Just go read the first 3-4 pages

My bad. I thought the new contract was signed the year when he was already a 20PPG player (I thought the 4th season numbers were his 3rd ones ).

2nd season numbers: 14.5/5/1.5
3rd season numbers: 13/4/1.5
(Sign extension)
4th season: 20/6.5/2

I don’t think you can really blame people for thinking that 25m for a player whose numbers got worse from year 2 and 3 was an overpay. The jump in production after that was crazy. Kudos to Ainge for having faith in Brown. It paid off.

of course you can, if they make some asbolute statements ignoring the context assuming that the executive is a complete idiots.
if you approach it that way and you end up so ridicolously wrong you must expect to called out.

I also mentioned that it looked too much for me, in this thread, but I decided not to call out Ainge conceding that he had much more info on hand.

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