MrDollarBills wrote:gigantes wrote:KD35Netted wrote:You mean the same organically built teams who both went after Kyrie and Kevin Durant when the opportunity arose? Boston salivated at nabbing Kai back in 2017 and Golden State won two rings; supposedly, these are organically built teams who also chased stars. Come on, you know just like the Nets, every team would have pounced on getting a Kai or KD. Boston still hates Kai because they wanted him to stay.
Nonsense. Those cores were organically built, and like many a team, they had ideas of filling in the last gap with an outside acquisition. Nothing wrong with that.
That's not remotely like jettisoning almost everything and building around two guys who had already shown three times collectively that they weren't about winning titles. You've missed almost everything I said earlier if you're even close to making that analogy.
In hindsight, trading Allen and letting Dinwiddie walk were terrible moves. Those were homegrown guys who are really good players.
However, LeVert and DLo were god awful this post season, so no problems from me in trading them away. I think bringing in KD and ugh Kyrie was the right move, but everything after that has been terrible. Losing Allen in that Harden trade is an F grade decision. Not resigning Dinwiddie was a F grade move.
Marks has been terrible since he got lucky that space cadet Kyrie wanted to come here to slack off.
You're not wrong, Bills, and I probably owe you an apology there, KD35Netted.
Honestly: 1) I'm bitter about the number of young fellas and assets we've lost, mostly since the Harden acquisition, and 2) I simply don't enjoy watching this iso-heavy style of ball. I mean, it's fine for crunch time ball, but running the whole offense like that (esp. wo a true PG) is a great recipe for not getting the best out of your 1-5. By contrast, JKidd understood that getting everyone involved led to better results on both ends, but these two savants simply don't have that in their DNA, I suppose.
@Bill,
The loss of Fro has indeed been a nightmare IMO, and what's more, if it were somehow possible (in a parallel universe obviously), I would have gladly signed KD, kept DLo, and politely told Kyrie to go kick rocks. Sure, Kyrie is on paper a better player that D'Angelo, but I think DLo is actually more valuable for these specific reasons: 1) unlike KI, he's a real PG who can actually run an offense, 2) whatever's going on in his life, he shows up to play, 3) DLo's contract isn't as onerous as Kyrie's, and trading him isn't a 'hostage situation' like we have with KI.
Furthermore, I fear Buttle-head Jones was right-- that a KAT-based Minny team simply doesn't work, starting with the super-skilled, super-sized Towns' strangely passive / childish play in big moments and big games. DLo's an above-avg PG IMO, but he's not quite a star PG who can compensate for that in the playoffs.
Could be I'm full of beans, but I also feel like DLo under Kenny would have been better than that. Not to mention, it still stings me that the two savants evidently were the ones who declared 'Kenny's not good / professional-enough to coach a KI / KD team.' What a bunch of self-serving hot air that turned out to be. :/
Ancient history?
Sure... but ancient history that heavily influenced the bag of failures we've had in recent seasons.