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Post#461 » by MrDollarBills » Mon May 30, 2022 3:22 am

Shark wrote:The man we hired to be an assistant/babysitter for our 'out of his depth' coach is taking his team to the championship in his first season in charge.


Sean Marks should be fired.

Udoka was way more qualified than Nash. It's not even close.

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Post#462 » by Jay555 » Mon May 30, 2022 3:27 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Shark wrote:The man we hired to be an assistant/babysitter for our 'out of his depth' coach is taking his team to the championship in his first season in charge.


Sean Marks should be fired.

Udoka was way more qualified than Nash. It's not even close.

This is a disgrace.


Not even close.. Ime's still inexperienced at times but there is no way I'd put Nash in the same sentence.

After this years playoff run, Ime might be recognised as an elite coach.
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These playoffs have taught me that the Nets need to become more physical.
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Post#464 » by gigantes » Mon May 30, 2022 5:41 pm

Jay555 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Shark wrote:The man we hired to be an assistant/babysitter for our 'out of his depth' coach is taking his team to the championship in his first season in charge.


Sean Marks should be fired.

Udoka was way more qualified than Nash. It's not even close.

This is a disgrace.

Not even close.. Ime's still inexperienced at times but there is no way I'd put Nash in the same sentence.

After this years playoff run, Ime might be recognised as an elite coach.

TBF, they're simply a better-built team.

Their star duo are both two-way players, on top of a team with good size, strong defenders everywhere, been playing together for years, yet still a fairly youthful team with their duo just entering their primes.

Marks showed us that he's good at finding raw talent, but that's a far cry from being able to build a cohesive, title-aspiring team, like the Celts. Especially around players who actually want to win a title, which sadly doesn't seem to describe describe KI & KD.

The one thing that's become increasingly clear to me is that the harder Marks reaches for something, the poorer his decision usually is. It's almost like the 'big city trap,' where the more you directly aim for a title, the more that leads to risky, flawed decisions.

IMO a good chunk of that blame directly goes back to Prokhorov, who was obsessed with making a big splash and winning a title ASAP. Marks did pump the brakes on that a bit, but that mindset still got in to his head it seems like. He's an above-average GM, but trying too hard to overachieve I think.
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Post#465 » by Hello Brooklyn » Tue May 31, 2022 4:35 pm

I'm not going to be mad at Marks for the roster construction.

He drafted well. And the roster made sense with the team we had.

With KD/Kyrie/Harden I think the team fit decently well together.

Team was supposed to be Harden/Kyrie/Harris/KD/Claxton

He then had to build on the fly. I think after the trade we clearly needed some wing depth. But how many options did we have?

And I really think Marks thought Simmons would play. So I won't kill him for that.

The biggest mistake Marks made was hiring Nash. And never firing him.

That was unforgivable. And Marks should be fired for that alone.

Still I am willing to give him one last chance. The roster this year will be good enough to win a title.

If were not looking good by the deadline I hope Marks can have the sense to fire Nash.
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Post#466 » by NetsWorld » Tue May 31, 2022 4:49 pm

gigantes wrote:
Jay555 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Sean Marks should be fired.

Udoka was way more qualified than Nash. It's not even close.

This is a disgrace.

Not even close.. Ime's still inexperienced at times but there is no way I'd put Nash in the same sentence.

After this years playoff run, Ime might be recognised as an elite coach.

TBF, they're simply a better-built team.

Their star duo are both two-way players, on top of a team with good size, strong defenders everywhere, been playing together for years, yet still a fairly youthful team with their duo just entering their primes.

Marks showed us that he's good at finding raw talent, but that's a far cry from being able to build a cohesive, title-aspiring team, like the Celts. Especially around players who actually want to win a title, which sadly doesn't seem to describe describe KI & KD.

The one thing that's become increasingly clear to me is that the harder Marks reaches for something, the poorer his decision usually is. It's almost like the 'big city trap,' where the more you directly aim for a title, the more that leads to risky, flawed decisions.

IMO a good chunk of that blame directly goes back to Prokhorov, who was obsessed with making a big splash and winning a title ASAP. Marks did pump the brakes on that a bit, but that mindset still got in to his head it seems like. He's an above-average GM, but trying too hard to overachieve I think.



Nets downfall was ultimately player availability and roster construction. Celtics last year were not perceived or looked at as any form of a threat. Nets have the talent and ability to do it; continuity is Brooklyn's enemy, nothing else. Coaching can be overcome and Nash is still learning and with new assistants on hand with more experience, it should benefit him. People forget 20-21 when we looked like we were going to steam roll our way to a ship before an undercut to kyrie's leg. Hopefully Kyrie's head is screwed on right and him and KD play at least 60 plus games together and can grab a top three seed next year playing deep into the playoffs. As good as Tatum/Brown are, they are not Kyrie/KD and with Simmons and his potential, he will be a nightmare for any offense.
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Post#467 » by gigantes » Tue May 31, 2022 8:56 pm

KD35Netted wrote:Nets downfall was ultimately player availability and roster construction. Celtics last year were not perceived or looked at as any form of a threat. Nets have the talent and ability to do it; continuity is Brooklyn's enemy, nothing else. Coaching can be overcome and Nash is still learning and with new assistants on hand with more experience, it should benefit him. People forget 20-21 when we looked like we were going to steam roll our way to a ship before an undercut to kyrie's leg. Hopefully Kyrie's head is screwed on right and him and KD play at least 60 plus games together and can grab a top three seed next year playing deep into the playoffs. As good as Tatum/Brown are, they are not Kyrie/KD and with Simmons and his potential, he will be a nightmare for any offense.

Well, that's what fans like you (and you're certainly not alone) are locked in to-- dreaming and hoping that this Frankenstein's monster of talented but mismatched parts will catch lightning one of these seasons and win a title. Good for you.

But yes, most certainly, I'd take the Celts (and the Dubs, and most annual contenders in fact) over this dumpster fire if I was choosing a team, and the reasons are like I said-- more intelligently, organically built, with younger players, ones who developed together, and with more of a unified vision not catering to prima donna's, run by better professionals.

See, I wasn't happy with the KI & KD signings from day one, but I've tried to be a loyal, flexible-minded fan up until mid-to-late this season, when Nash kept overplaying certain guys and glued potentially useful contributors to the bench. I owe no additional loyalty to this hot mess of a 'team.' If they prove me wrong then good for them. It will be an ass-backwards way to build a title-winner, and that's all that matters, right?
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Post#468 » by NetsWorld » Tue May 31, 2022 10:18 pm

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KD35Netted wrote:Nets downfall was ultimately player availability and roster construction. Celtics last year were not perceived or looked at as any form of a threat. Nets have the talent and ability to do it; continuity is Brooklyn's enemy, nothing else. Coaching can be overcome and Nash is still learning and with new assistants on hand with more experience, it should benefit him. People forget 20-21 when we looked like we were going to steam roll our way to a ship before an undercut to kyrie's leg. Hopefully Kyrie's head is screwed on right and him and KD play at least 60 plus games together and can grab a top three seed next year playing deep into the playoffs. As good as Tatum/Brown are, they are not Kyrie/KD and with Simmons and his potential, he will be a nightmare for any offense.

Well, that's what fans like you (and you're certainly not alone) are locked in to-- dreaming and hoping that this Frankenstein's monster of talented but mismatched parts will catch lightning one of these seasons and win a title. Good for you.

But yes, most certainly, I'd take the Celts (and the Dubs, and most annual contenders in fact) over this dumpster fire if I was choosing a team, and the reasons are like I said-- more intelligently, organically built, with younger players, ones who developed together, and with more of a unified vision not catering to prima donna's, run by better professionals.

See, I wasn't happy with the KI & KD signings from day one, but I've tried to be a loyal, flexible-minded fan up until mid-to-late this season, when Nash kept overplaying certain guys and glued potentially useful contributors to the bench. I owe no additional loyalty to this hot mess of a 'team.' If they prove me wrong then good for them. It will be an ass-backwards way to build a title-winner, and that's all that matters, right?



You mean the same organically built teams who both went after Kyrie and Kevin Durant when the opportunity arose? Boston salivated at nabbing Kai back in 2017 and Golden State won two rings; supposedly, these are organically built teams who also chased stars. Come on, you know just like the Nets, every team would have pounced on getting a Kai or KD. Boston still hates Kai because they wanted him to stay.
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Post#469 » by gigantes » Wed Jun 1, 2022 10:27 am

KD35Netted wrote:
gigantes wrote:
KD35Netted wrote:Nets downfall was ultimately player availability and roster construction. Celtics last year were not perceived or looked at as any form of a threat. Nets have the talent and ability to do it; continuity is Brooklyn's enemy, nothing else. Coaching can be overcome and Nash is still learning and with new assistants on hand with more experience, it should benefit him. People forget 20-21 when we looked like we were going to steam roll our way to a ship before an undercut to kyrie's leg. Hopefully Kyrie's head is screwed on right and him and KD play at least 60 plus games together and can grab a top three seed next year playing deep into the playoffs. As good as Tatum/Brown are, they are not Kyrie/KD and with Simmons and his potential, he will be a nightmare for any offense.

Well, that's what fans like you (and you're certainly not alone) are locked in to-- dreaming and hoping that this Frankenstein's monster of talented but mismatched parts will catch lightning one of these seasons and win a title. Good for you.

But yes, most certainly, I'd take the Celts (and the Dubs, and most annual contenders in fact) over this dumpster fire if I was choosing a team, and the reasons are like I said-- more intelligently, organically built, with younger players, ones who developed together, and with more of a unified vision not catering to prima donna's, run by better professionals.

See, I wasn't happy with the KI & KD signings from day one, but I've tried to be a loyal, flexible-minded fan up until mid-to-late this season, when Nash kept overplaying certain guys and glued potentially useful contributors to the bench. I owe no additional loyalty to this hot mess of a 'team.' If they prove me wrong then good for them. It will be an ass-backwards way to build a title-winner, and that's all that matters, right?

You mean the same organically built teams who both went after Kyrie and Kevin Durant when the opportunity arose? Boston salivated at nabbing Kai back in 2017 and Golden State won two rings; supposedly, these are organically built teams who also chased stars. Come on, you know just like the Nets, every team would have pounced on getting a Kai or KD. Boston still hates Kai because they wanted him to stay.

Nonsense. Those cores were organically built, and like many a team, they had ideas of filling in the last gap with an outside acquisition. Nothing wrong with that.

That's not remotely like jettisoning almost everything and building around two guys who had already shown three times collectively that they weren't about winning titles. You've missed almost everything I said earlier if you're even close to making that analogy.
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Post#470 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jun 1, 2022 3:03 pm

gigantes wrote:
KD35Netted wrote:
gigantes wrote:Well, that's what fans like you (and you're certainly not alone) are locked in to-- dreaming and hoping that this Frankenstein's monster of talented but mismatched parts will catch lightning one of these seasons and win a title. Good for you.

But yes, most certainly, I'd take the Celts (and the Dubs, and most annual contenders in fact) over this dumpster fire if I was choosing a team, and the reasons are like I said-- more intelligently, organically built, with younger players, ones who developed together, and with more of a unified vision not catering to prima donna's, run by better professionals.

See, I wasn't happy with the KI & KD signings from day one, but I've tried to be a loyal, flexible-minded fan up until mid-to-late this season, when Nash kept overplaying certain guys and glued potentially useful contributors to the bench. I owe no additional loyalty to this hot mess of a 'team.' If they prove me wrong then good for them. It will be an ass-backwards way to build a title-winner, and that's all that matters, right?

You mean the same organically built teams who both went after Kyrie and Kevin Durant when the opportunity arose? Boston salivated at nabbing Kai back in 2017 and Golden State won two rings; supposedly, these are organically built teams who also chased stars. Come on, you know just like the Nets, every team would have pounced on getting a Kai or KD. Boston still hates Kai because they wanted him to stay.

Nonsense. Those cores were organically built, and like many a team, they had ideas of filling in the last gap with an outside acquisition. Nothing wrong with that.

That's not remotely like jettisoning almost everything and building around two guys who had already shown three times collectively that they weren't about winning titles. You've missed almost everything I said earlier if you're even close to making that analogy.


In hindsight, trading Allen and letting Dinwiddie walk were terrible moves. Those were homegrown guys who are really good players.

However, LeVert and DLo were god awful this post season, so no problems from me in trading them away. I think bringing in KD and ugh Kyrie was the right move, but everything after that has been terrible. Losing Allen in that Harden trade is an F grade decision. Not resigning Dinwiddie was a F grade move.

Marks has been terrible since he got lucky that space cadet Kyrie wanted to come here to slack off.
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Post#471 » by gigantes » Wed Jun 1, 2022 5:36 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
gigantes wrote:
KD35Netted wrote:You mean the same organically built teams who both went after Kyrie and Kevin Durant when the opportunity arose? Boston salivated at nabbing Kai back in 2017 and Golden State won two rings; supposedly, these are organically built teams who also chased stars. Come on, you know just like the Nets, every team would have pounced on getting a Kai or KD. Boston still hates Kai because they wanted him to stay.

Nonsense. Those cores were organically built, and like many a team, they had ideas of filling in the last gap with an outside acquisition. Nothing wrong with that.

That's not remotely like jettisoning almost everything and building around two guys who had already shown three times collectively that they weren't about winning titles. You've missed almost everything I said earlier if you're even close to making that analogy.

In hindsight, trading Allen and letting Dinwiddie walk were terrible moves. Those were homegrown guys who are really good players.

However, LeVert and DLo were god awful this post season, so no problems from me in trading them away. I think bringing in KD and ugh Kyrie was the right move, but everything after that has been terrible. Losing Allen in that Harden trade is an F grade decision. Not resigning Dinwiddie was a F grade move.

Marks has been terrible since he got lucky that space cadet Kyrie wanted to come here to slack off.

You're not wrong, Bills, and I probably owe you an apology there, KD35Netted.

Honestly: 1) I'm bitter about the number of young fellas and assets we've lost, mostly since the Harden acquisition, and 2) I simply don't enjoy watching this iso-heavy style of ball. I mean, it's fine for crunch time ball, but running the whole offense like that (esp. wo a true PG) is a great recipe for not getting the best out of your 1-5. By contrast, JKidd understood that getting everyone involved led to better results on both ends, but these two savants simply don't have that in their DNA, I suppose.

@Bill,
The loss of Fro has indeed been a nightmare IMO, and what's more, if it were somehow possible (in a parallel universe obviously), I would have gladly signed KD, kept DLo, and politely told Kyrie to go kick rocks. Sure, Kyrie is on paper a better player that D'Angelo, but I think DLo is actually more valuable for these specific reasons: 1) unlike KI, he's a real PG who can actually run an offense, 2) whatever's going on in his life, he shows up to play, 3) DLo's contract isn't as onerous as Kyrie's, and trading him isn't a 'hostage situation' like we have with KI.

Furthermore, I fear Buttle-head Jones was right-- that a KAT-based Minny team simply doesn't work, starting with the super-skilled, super-sized Towns' strangely passive / childish play in big moments and big games. DLo's an above-avg PG IMO, but he's not quite a star PG who can compensate for that in the playoffs.

Could be I'm full of beans, but I also feel like DLo under Kenny would have been better than that. Not to mention, it still stings me that the two savants evidently were the ones who declared 'Kenny's not good / professional-enough to coach a KI / KD team.' What a bunch of self-serving hot air that turned out to be. :/

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Post#472 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jun 1, 2022 5:55 pm

gigantes wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
gigantes wrote:Nonsense. Those cores were organically built, and like many a team, they had ideas of filling in the last gap with an outside acquisition. Nothing wrong with that.

That's not remotely like jettisoning almost everything and building around two guys who had already shown three times collectively that they weren't about winning titles. You've missed almost everything I said earlier if you're even close to making that analogy.

In hindsight, trading Allen and letting Dinwiddie walk were terrible moves. Those were homegrown guys who are really good players.

However, LeVert and DLo were god awful this post season, so no problems from me in trading them away. I think bringing in KD and ugh Kyrie was the right move, but everything after that has been terrible. Losing Allen in that Harden trade is an F grade decision. Not resigning Dinwiddie was a F grade move.

Marks has been terrible since he got lucky that space cadet Kyrie wanted to come here to slack off.

You're not wrong, Bills, and I probably owe you an apology there, KD35Netted.

Honestly: 1) I'm bitter about the number of young fellas and assets we've lost, mostly since the Harden acquisition, and 2) I simply don't enjoy watching this iso-heavy style of ball. I mean, it's fine for crunch time ball, but running the whole offense like that (esp. wo a true PG) is a great recipe for not getting the best out of your 1-5. By contrast, JKidd understood that getting everyone involved led to better results on both ends, but these two savants simply don't have that in their DNA, I suppose.

@Bill,
The loss of Fro has indeed been a nightmare IMO, and what's more, if it were somehow possible (in a parallel universe obviously), I would have gladly signed KD, kept DLo, and politely told Kyrie to go kick rocks. Sure, Kyrie is on paper a better player that D'Angelo, but I think DLo is actually more valuable for these specific reasons: 1) unlike KI, he's a real PG who can actually run an offense, 2) whatever's going on in his life, he shows up to play, 3) DLo's contract isn't as onerous as Kyrie's, and trading him isn't a 'hostage situation' like we have with KI.

Furthermore, I fear Buttle-head Jones was right-- that a KAT-based Minny team simply doesn't work, starting with the super-skilled, super-sized Towns' strangely passive / childish play in big moments and big games. DLo's an above-avg PG IMO, but he's not quite a star PG who can compensate for that in the playoffs.

Could be I'm full of beans, but I also feel like DLo under Kenny would have been better than that. Not to mention, it still stings me that the two savants evidently were the ones who declared 'Kenny's not good / professional-enough to coach a KI / KD team.' What a bunch of self-serving hot air that turned out to be. :/

Ancient history?
Sure... but ancient history that heavily influenced the bag of failures we've had in recent seasons.


DLO is a flawed player but at least he shows up to work.

Kyrie makes me f*cking sick. I'm at the point where I hate this guy more than Deron Williams.
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Post#473 » by gigantes » Wed Jun 1, 2022 7:36 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
gigantes wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:In hindsight, trading Allen and letting Dinwiddie walk were terrible moves. Those were homegrown guys who are really good players.

However, LeVert and DLo were god awful this post season, so no problems from me in trading them away. I think bringing in KD and ugh Kyrie was the right move, but everything after that has been terrible. Losing Allen in that Harden trade is an F grade decision. Not resigning Dinwiddie was a F grade move.

Marks has been terrible since he got lucky that space cadet Kyrie wanted to come here to slack off.

You're not wrong, Bills, and I probably owe you an apology there, KD35Netted.

Honestly: 1) I'm bitter about the number of young fellas and assets we've lost, mostly since the Harden acquisition, and 2) I simply don't enjoy watching this iso-heavy style of ball. I mean, it's fine for crunch time ball, but running the whole offense like that (esp. wo a true PG) is a great recipe for not getting the best out of your 1-5. By contrast, JKidd understood that getting everyone involved led to better results on both ends, but these two savants simply don't have that in their DNA, I suppose.

@Bill,
The loss of Fro has indeed been a nightmare IMO, and what's more, if it were somehow possible (in a parallel universe obviously), I would have gladly signed KD, kept DLo, and politely told Kyrie to go kick rocks. Sure, Kyrie is on paper a better player that D'Angelo, but I think DLo is actually more valuable for these specific reasons: 1) unlike KI, he's a real PG who can actually run an offense, 2) whatever's going on in his life, he shows up to play, 3) DLo's contract isn't as onerous as Kyrie's, and trading him isn't a 'hostage situation' like we have with KI.

Furthermore, I fear Buttle-head Jones was right-- that a KAT-based Minny team simply doesn't work, starting with the super-skilled, super-sized Towns' strangely passive / childish play in big moments and big games. DLo's an above-avg PG IMO, but he's not quite a star PG who can compensate for that in the playoffs.

Could be I'm full of beans, but I also feel like DLo under Kenny would have been better than that. Not to mention, it still stings me that the two savants evidently were the ones who declared 'Kenny's not good / professional-enough to coach a KI / KD team.' What a bunch of self-serving hot air that turned out to be. :/

Ancient history?
Sure... but ancient history that heavily influenced the bag of failures we've had in recent seasons.

DLO is a flawed player but at least he shows up to work.

Kyrie makes me f*cking sick. I'm at the point where I hate this guy more than Deron Williams.

Honestly, I'm way out of my league, these days.

I've never HATED my own team like this, ever before. I always felt like my job (and my pure enjoyment) flowed from celebrating my team, and being a righteous fan. Or something like that, anyway!

F-ck, man... so is this what it feels like to be a NIX fan..?
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Post#474 » by NetsWorld » Wed Jun 1, 2022 10:35 pm

gigantes wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
gigantes wrote:Nonsense. Those cores were organically built, and like many a team, they had ideas of filling in the last gap with an outside acquisition. Nothing wrong with that.

That's not remotely like jettisoning almost everything and building around two guys who had already shown three times collectively that they weren't about winning titles. You've missed almost everything I said earlier if you're even close to making that analogy.

In hindsight, trading Allen and letting Dinwiddie walk were terrible moves. Those were homegrown guys who are really good players.

However, LeVert and DLo were god awful this post season, so no problems from me in trading them away. I think bringing in KD and ugh Kyrie was the right move, but everything after that has been terrible. Losing Allen in that Harden trade is an F grade decision. Not resigning Dinwiddie was a F grade move.

Marks has been terrible since he got lucky that space cadet Kyrie wanted to come here to slack off.

You're not wrong, Bills, and I probably owe you an apology there, KD35Netted.

Honestly: 1) I'm bitter about the number of young fellas and assets we've lost, mostly since the Harden acquisition, and 2) I simply don't enjoy watching this iso-heavy style of ball. I mean, it's fine for crunch time ball, but running the whole offense like that (esp. wo a true PG) is a great recipe for not getting the best out of your 1-5. By contrast, JKidd understood that getting everyone involved led to better results on both ends, but these two savants simply don't have that in their DNA, I suppose.

@Bill,
The loss of Fro has indeed been a nightmare IMO, and what's more, if it were somehow possible (in a parallel universe obviously), I would have gladly signed KD, kept DLo, and politely told Kyrie to go kick rocks. Sure, Kyrie is on paper a better player that D'Angelo, but I think DLo is actually more valuable for these specific reasons: 1) unlike KI, he's a real PG who can actually run an offense, 2) whatever's going on in his life, he shows up to play, 3) DLo's contract isn't as onerous as Kyrie's, and trading him isn't a 'hostage situation' like we have with KI.

Furthermore, I fear Buttle-head Jones was right-- that a KAT-based Minny team simply doesn't work, starting with the super-skilled, super-sized Towns' strangely passive / childish play in big moments and big games. DLo's an above-avg PG IMO, but he's not quite a star PG who can compensate for that in the playoffs.

Could be I'm full of beans, but I also feel like DLo under Kenny would have been better than that. Not to mention, it still stings me that the two savants evidently were the ones who declared 'Kenny's not good / professional-enough to coach a KI / KD team.' What a bunch of self-serving hot air that turned out to be. :/

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Sure... but ancient history that heavily influenced the bag of failures we've had in recent seasons.


Nothing personal taken bro. I get your frustration; when we made the Harden trade, we looked like we were well I our way to winning it all; things went off rails quickly and the run was short lived. Marks knows he has to salvage the Nets after this awful rollercoaster of a year. Deferring the pick to next year was the right move and Philly could go south quickly making the pick more valuable. Also, bear in mind, if we fall next year, no way do KD/Kai come back and they could both be trade bait. KD will Net a lot of young prospects/picks. Marks is smart, he is putting us in the best position, you win, great, you also get a low pick and you lose, KD will Net a high return. Basically Marks is setting us up for a big rebuild.
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Re: Around the NBA: 2021-22 Season Thread 

Post#475 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Jun 1, 2022 10:43 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:In hindsight, trading Allen and letting Dinwiddie walk were terrible moves. Those were homegrown guys who are really good players.

However, LeVert and DLo were god awful this post season, so no problems from me in trading them away. I think bringing in KD and ugh Kyrie was the right move, but everything after that has been terrible. Losing Allen in that Harden trade is an F grade decision. Not resigning Dinwiddie was a F grade move.

Marks has been terrible since he got lucky that space cadet Kyrie wanted to come here to slack off.

You're not wrong, Bills, and I probably owe you an apology there, KD35Netted.

Honestly: 1) I'm bitter about the number of young fellas and assets we've lost, mostly since the Harden acquisition, and 2) I simply don't enjoy watching this iso-heavy style of ball. I mean, it's fine for crunch time ball, but running the whole offense like that (esp. wo a true PG) is a great recipe for not getting the best out of your 1-5. By contrast, JKidd understood that getting everyone involved led to better results on both ends, but these two savants simply don't have that in their DNA, I suppose.

@Bill,
The loss of Fro has indeed been a nightmare IMO, and what's more, if it were somehow possible (in a parallel universe obviously), I would have gladly signed KD, kept DLo, and politely told Kyrie to go kick rocks. Sure, Kyrie is on paper a better player that D'Angelo, but I think DLo is actually more valuable for these specific reasons: 1) unlike KI, he's a real PG who can actually run an offense, 2) whatever's going on in his life, he shows up to play, 3) DLo's contract isn't as onerous as Kyrie's, and trading him isn't a 'hostage situation' like we have with KI.

Furthermore, I fear Buttle-head Jones was right-- that a KAT-based Minny team simply doesn't work, starting with the super-skilled, super-sized Towns' strangely passive / childish play in big moments and big games. DLo's an above-avg PG IMO, but he's not quite a star PG who can compensate for that in the playoffs.

Could be I'm full of beans, but I also feel like DLo under Kenny would have been better than that. Not to mention, it still stings me that the two savants evidently were the ones who declared 'Kenny's not good / professional-enough to coach a KI / KD team.' What a bunch of self-serving hot air that turned out to be. :/

Ancient history?
Sure... but ancient history that heavily influenced the bag of failures we've had in recent seasons.


Nothing personal taken bro. I get your frustration; when we made the Harden trade, we looked like we were well I our way to winning it all; things went off rails quickly and the run was short lived. Marks knows he has to salvage the Nets after this awful rollercoaster of a year. Deferring the pick to next year was the right move and Philly could go south quickly making the pick more valuable. Also, bear in mind, if we fall next year, no way do KD/Kai come back and they could both be trade bait. KD will Net a lot of young prospects/picks. Marks is smart, he is putting us in the best position, you win, great, you also get a low pick and you lose, KD will Net a high return. Basically Marks is setting us up for a big rebuild.

It's why Kyrie should get 2, max 3 years. His contract needs to be a trade asset, not something we need to pay to dump if we pivot. 2 years to lineup with Joe is the ideal. Next off-season, you'd have KD, Simmons the 2021 draft class and expiring Kyrie and Harris. I doubt Marks goes crazy with Brown, Claxton or Curry. They'll only get extended beyond 2 years if the contracts are tradable value deals. We just need to hope Billy King gets a job somewhere soon.
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Re: Around the NBA: 2021-22 Season Thread 

Post#476 » by Stone » Thu Jun 2, 2022 12:49 am

The only good thing that came out of the Harden trade was Caris medical issue was discovered and resolved. But I don't resent Sean for the trade. Harden was great until the Hamstring injury. He came out on one leg to try and help us win. But he was never the same this past season. It is going to be real interesting to see what he is offered this off season.
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Re: Around the NBA: 2021-22 Season Thread 

Post#477 » by NetsWorld » Thu Jun 2, 2022 1:19 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:
KD35Netted wrote:
gigantes wrote:You're not wrong, Bills, and I probably owe you an apology there, KD35Netted.

Honestly: 1) I'm bitter about the number of young fellas and assets we've lost, mostly since the Harden acquisition, and 2) I simply don't enjoy watching this iso-heavy style of ball. I mean, it's fine for crunch time ball, but running the whole offense like that (esp. wo a true PG) is a great recipe for not getting the best out of your 1-5. By contrast, JKidd understood that getting everyone involved led to better results on both ends, but these two savants simply don't have that in their DNA, I suppose.

@Bill,
The loss of Fro has indeed been a nightmare IMO, and what's more, if it were somehow possible (in a parallel universe obviously), I would have gladly signed KD, kept DLo, and politely told Kyrie to go kick rocks. Sure, Kyrie is on paper a better player that D'Angelo, but I think DLo is actually more valuable for these specific reasons: 1) unlike KI, he's a real PG who can actually run an offense, 2) whatever's going on in his life, he shows up to play, 3) DLo's contract isn't as onerous as Kyrie's, and trading him isn't a 'hostage situation' like we have with KI.

Furthermore, I fear Buttle-head Jones was right-- that a KAT-based Minny team simply doesn't work, starting with the super-skilled, super-sized Towns' strangely passive / childish play in big moments and big games. DLo's an above-avg PG IMO, but he's not quite a star PG who can compensate for that in the playoffs.

Could be I'm full of beans, but I also feel like DLo under Kenny would have been better than that. Not to mention, it still stings me that the two savants evidently were the ones who declared 'Kenny's not good / professional-enough to coach a KI / KD team.' What a bunch of self-serving hot air that turned out to be. :/

Ancient history?
Sure... but ancient history that heavily influenced the bag of failures we've had in recent seasons.


Nothing personal taken bro. I get your frustration; when we made the Harden trade, we looked like we were well I our way to winning it all; things went off rails quickly and the run was short lived. Marks knows he has to salvage the Nets after this awful rollercoaster of a year. Deferring the pick to next year was the right move and Philly could go south quickly making the pick more valuable. Also, bear in mind, if we fall next year, no way do KD/Kai come back and they could both be trade bait. KD will Net a lot of young prospects/picks. Marks is smart, he is putting us in the best position, you win, great, you also get a low pick and you lose, KD will Net a high return. Basically Marks is setting us up for a big rebuild.

It's why Kyrie should get 2, max 3 years. His contract needs to be a trade asset, not something we need to pay to dump if we pivot. 2 years to lineup with Joe is the ideal. Next off-season, you'd have KD, Simmons the 2021 draft class and expiring Kyrie and Harris. I doubt Marks goes crazy with Brown, Claxton or Curry. They'll only get extended beyond 2 years if the contracts are tradable value deals. We just need to hope Billy King gets a job somewhere soon.



If you ask me, I personally think this is the last run with KD/Kai, if it works, I am sure they run it back a couple more years, if not, then bye bye to both of them. KD is great and plays all out but he doesn't seem content to win a ring anymore. Marks can/will find the right talent to get this team to where it needs to be and we have to go younger eventually, sooner or later.
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Re: Around the NBA: 2021-22 Season Thread 

Post#478 » by gigantes » Thu Jun 2, 2022 8:20 pm

Stone wrote:The only good thing that came out of the Harden trade was Caris medical issue was discovered and resolved. But I don't resent Sean for the trade. Harden was great until the Hamstring injury. He came out on one leg to try and help us win. But he was never the same this past season. It is going to be real interesting to see what he is offered this off season.

Stone, you're a good poster IMO, but counter to you, I think Sean made an *enormous* number of fundamental mistakes in the Harden trade.

Mistakes in terms of team-philosophy, mistakes in terms of not taking advantage of HOU being in a desperate spot, mistakes in terms of vast overpayment, mistakes in terms of locking in to one particular desired-scenario whereas before the situation was totally fluid.

I'm gonna stop the ongoing list right there, and point out something that most Nets fans STILL don't seem to understand properly. It's this-- jettisoning team philosophy to build around KI & KD was a REASONABLE RISK, directly because they gracefully signed as FA's, which amounted to us losing a super-useful player like DLo in order to be imposed by DeJordan's annoying contract, but it did carry some consequences IMO, even if it only came to 'pleasing them' and doubling down to chase a ring.

Me, I thought it stank to high heaven from day one, but you know what *USED* to be great? We kept not just our kids, and our picks, but our flexibility. Meaning-- we retained a vast amount of our options in terms of pivoting as needed, trading off, moving this way or that from either or both KI & KD, developing moreso through Fro, whatever..

Sean Marks (and yes, in direct pursuit of a title) absolutely tanked almost all of those options & flexibilities via the disastrous Harden trade.

Which leaves us living in a borderline hostage-situation, in which we've committed absolutely *everything* to an aging superstar who's inevitably going to get injured again under our complete idiot of a HC, and his sidekick, an often-injured multi-millionaire star who clearly doesn't give a **** about even his 'dream scenario' (ie, playing with his BFF in his hometown).
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Re: Around the NBA: 2021-22 Season Thread 

Post#479 » by CalamityX12 » Fri Jun 3, 2022 4:51 am

I don't get it?

Why aren't we seeing isolation basketball in NBA finals?

There's a lot of ball movement and engagement from all players on both sides. Weird.

Also why so many young and athletic players? Doesn't make sense
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Re: Around the NBA: 2021-22 Season Thread 

Post#480 » by gigantes » Fri Jun 3, 2022 5:43 am

Meanwhile...

PelicansAdzBoogie wrote:Steph Curry won 9 of his last 10 NBA Finals games with Kevin Durant on his team. Curry has lost 8 of his last 9 NBA Finals games without KD, including 6 straight losses at home.

For as much as people go on about how Warriors didn't need KD, they sure have struggled in the Finals without him 2015 chip against LeBron and his bench aside

What does the Warriors losing again in the Finals do for KD's rep as a bus driver?

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/v3qick/steph_curry_won_9_of_his_last_10_nba_finals_games/

Err... is it too late to retract everything I bitched & moaned about KD, above?

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