What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time?

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Could you ever choose Curry over LeBron all-time?

Yes, I already do
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Yes, depending on how he and LeBron end their careers
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No, the gap is too large
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Re: What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time? 

Post#141 » by JN61 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 9:51 am

There is no comparison. Gap is like Kobe vs pistol Pete.
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Re: What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time? 

Post#142 » by JN61 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 9:52 am

DoItALL9 wrote:One more ring than LeBron seems like a good place for the argument to start

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So you have Sam Jones over LeBron on all time rankings?
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Re: What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time? 

Post#143 » by TheWhiteMamba » Wed Jun 1, 2022 9:57 am

If he can win 2 rs mvps with 2015 steph production + 3 final mvps (counting this year's ) + 3 rings (counting this year's ), I'm willing to take him over LBJ. This of course is not happening (at least I can't phatom that), so LeBron remains in another tier
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Re: What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time? 

Post#144 » by TheLand13 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 10:22 am

art_tatum wrote:Kaj has 6 MVPs and titles most pts scored yet most ppl here put LeBron over him while claiming LeBron over curry bc of awards and counting stats. Provide more or it's a bit hypocritical

If we just doing that,
If curry 3 peats starting this finals and gets 2 MVP 3 fmvp he would be clearly ahead for me and near Jordan. It's all on one team too.
2 titles 1mvp 2fmvp gets him in the top 5 for me and debatable with LeBron


Awards and counting stats are not the only reason people are putting LeBron over Curry.

You can theoretically argue that LeBron has always been better on both ends of the floor. While obviously Curry is the better scorer and shooter, LeBron has always been by far the better playmaker and in his prime was almost just as big of a problem to guard. Even if you put Curry over LeBron offensively though, defensively the gap is so massive that it's not even up for debate. I've been spending most of this thread explaining why LeBron is superior without even having to bring up the amount of accolades LeBron has, because the simple fact of the matter is, there's more to determining someone's greatness than just the awards they won.

Case and point: The KAJ vs LeBron debate.

I've gone on record stating that an argument still exists for KAJ>LeBron. And LeBron would need to have another 2020-like run for it to, in my opinion, no longer be arguable. Speaking of which, I myself was on that boat even when I was a LeBron stan. LeBron's 2020 run changed that for me. KAJ at that point in his career wasn't anything near the level of greatness we witnessed from LeBron that year. And the simple fact of the matter is, I don't think we will see another person be that great that late into their career for a very long time. It's a very difficult thing to accomplish.

I've also acknowledged that an argument exists for LeBron>Jordan as well. But truth be told, I'm not in that club and I probably never will be. I think one thing we can all agree with is this: there is no argument at all for Curry>LeBron and I think it's pretty hilarious that there's a person on this board who actually exists that put in the time and effort to try to debate it (and do a terrible job of it might I add).
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Re: What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time? 

Post#145 » by zimpy27 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 10:35 am

Why not ask what it would take to take Curry over Kobe?
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Re: What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time? 

Post#146 » by Ein Sof » Wed Jun 1, 2022 10:51 am

TheLand13 wrote:Case and point: The KAT vs LeBron debate.

I've gone on record stating that an argument still exists for Kat>LeBron. And LeBron would need to have another 2020-like run for it to, in my opinion, no longer be arguable. Speaking of which, I myself was on that boat even when I was a LeBron stan. LeBron's 2020 run changed that for me. KAT at that point in his career wasn't anything near the level of greatness we witnessed from LeBron that year. And the simple fact of the matter is, I don't think we will see another person be that great that late into their career for a very long time. It's a very difficult thing to accomplish.

Not gonna lie, that's pretty disrespectful to Karl-Anthony Towns
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Re: What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time? 

Post#147 » by WarriorGM » Wed Jun 1, 2022 12:52 pm

Miami_Lux wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
Miami_Lux wrote:
Nothing amuses me more than someone having an opinion that contradicts the overall majority (let’s say 99%) and then continues to claim that they actually know the facts and everybody else is wrong.


Again no facts in your statement.


Fine I ll bite. There are different categories and stats that can be used to determine who is better between two players.

Let s start with the accolades:
(1) NBA titles: LeBron 4 - Curry 3
(2) Regular season MVP: LeBron 4 - Curry 2
(3) Finals MVP: LeBron 4 - Curry 0
(4) All-NBA Team: LeBron 18 - Curry 8
(5) All-NBA defensive team: LeBron 6 - Curry 0



Media opinion. Influenced greatly by biases and orthodoxies. Curry is a revolutionary player who upended certain dogmatic beliefs. Similar to how a military commander in medieval times might be incredulous if he were told their armor would be next to useless in modern battle, there are still some who deplore the move towards analytics. Then there are those who really don't have a clue what is going on.

Why divide basketball skills along an offense and defense axis? Why not an on-ball off-ball axis? Or how about individual vs. team basis? It's like cancer being categorized according to what part of the body it appears. Might make some sense but it does not mean it is the best way to do so.

Miami_Lux wrote:Admittedly that s not very conclusive so let s look at basic stats.

(1) PPG: LeBron 27.1 - Curry 24.3
(2) APG: LeBron 7.4 - Curry 6.5
(3) RPG: LeBron 7.5 - Curry 4.6
(4) SPG: LeBron 1.7 - Curry 1.7
(5) BPG: LeBron 0.8 - Curry 0.2
(6) FG%: LeBron .505 - Curry .473
(7) 3P%: LeBron .346 - Curry .428
(8) FT%: LeBron .734 - Curry .908

Again LeBron crashes most categories other than free throw% and 3-point %

But let s take a deeper look into more advanced stats as they tend to be more indicative on the impact a player has

(1) Career PER: LeBron 27.3 - Curry 23.8
(2) True Shooting%: LeBron .588 - Curry .624
(3) Win share per 48 minutes: LeBron .230 - Curry .203
(4) Offensive Box Plus/Minus: LeBron 7.1 - Curry 6.1
(5) Defensive Box Plus/Minus: LeBron 1.8 - Curry 0.4
(6) Box Plus/Minus: LeBron: 8.9 - Curry 6.5

Again Curry only surpasses LeBron in terms of TS%.

These are the facts my friend. LeBron is a better player than Curry and it s not even close.


You're still using basic metrics even those supposedly "advanced" metrics. By those measures you may conclude that Russell Westbrook's 2017 season is the greatest of all-time. I think one site was so embarrassed with how much of an outlier Westbrook was that season according to their indicator that they changed the formula for how they calculated it.

Simply following the rule of thumb of picking the best player on the best team would have resulted in a less questionable choice for MVP that year.
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Re: What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time? 

Post#148 » by WarriorGM » Wed Jun 1, 2022 1:12 pm

Onlytimewilltel wrote:
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shoresy69 wrote:Because we can analyze player performance without binding it completely to team success. LeBron hit the ground running at the start of his career and has put up historic numbers ever since. LeBron shouldn't be penalized for spending the first third of his career with an incompetent organization.


We can and the simple takeaway I see is that Curry is a more efficient player than LeBron and judging from the results that makes him a better player.


Curry is a more efficient player than Jordan also. I guess he’s the GOAT? Didn’t realize it was that simple :lol:


A chart like this one shows that they do dominate a certain statistical quadrant:

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(Note this chart was created in the middle of the 2019 season. Curry's 2019 performance fell back a bit from the placement on the chart.)
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Re: What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time? 

Post#149 » by TheLand13 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 1:45 pm

Ein Sof wrote:
TheLand13 wrote:Case and point: The KAT vs LeBron debate.

I've gone on record stating that an argument still exists for Kat>LeBron. And LeBron would need to have another 2020-like run for it to, in my opinion, no longer be arguable. Speaking of which, I myself was on that boat even when I was a LeBron stan. LeBron's 2020 run changed that for me. KAT at that point in his career wasn't anything near the level of greatness we witnessed from LeBron that year. And the simple fact of the matter is, I don't think we will see another person be that great that late into their career for a very long time. It's a very difficult thing to accomplish.

Not gonna lie, that's pretty disrespectful to Karl-Anthony Towns


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Re: What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time? 

Post#150 » by TheLand13 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 1:50 pm

WarriorGM wrote:Why divide basketball skills along an offense and defense axis? Why not an on-ball off-ball axis? Or how about individual vs. team basis? It's like cancer being categorized according to what part of the body it appears. Might make some sense but it does not mean it is the best way to do so.


This is a next level dumb **** take if I've ever seen one. At this point your intention is becoming way too obvious to the point of desperation. Again, you are better off admitting you are just too biased to admit LeBron>Curry, but don't want to and it's resulting in this. Just stop posting. You're only making things worse for yourself.
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Re: What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time? 

Post#151 » by WarriorGM » Wed Jun 1, 2022 2:52 pm

TheLand13 wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:Why divide basketball skills along an offense and defense axis? Why not an on-ball off-ball axis? Or how about individual vs. team basis? It's like cancer being categorized according to what part of the body it appears. Might make some sense but it does not mean it is the best way to do so.


This is a next level dumb **** take if I've ever seen one. At this point your intention is becoming way too obvious to the point of desperation. Again, you are better off admitting you are just too biased to admit LeBron>Curry, but don't want to and it's resulting in this. Just stop posting. You're only making things worse for yourself.


You should just admit Curry is better.
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Re: What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time? 

Post#152 » by Ballerhogger » Wed Jun 1, 2022 3:39 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:~10 more all nba first team seasons...so not possible.

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Re: What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time? 

Post#153 » by dhsilv2 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 4:12 pm

WarriorGM wrote:
Onlytimewilltel wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
We can and the simple takeaway I see is that Curry is a more efficient player than LeBron and judging from the results that makes him a better player.


Curry is a more efficient player than Jordan also. I guess he’s the GOAT? Didn’t realize it was that simple :lol:


A chart like this one shows that they do dominate a certain statistical quadrant:

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(Note this chart was created in the middle of the 2019 season. Curry's 2019 performance fell back a bit from the placement on the chart.)


Hey my chart :) Good to see it being put to use!
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Re: What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time? 

Post#154 » by ILOVEIT » Wed Jun 1, 2022 4:31 pm

It would have to be 2 or 3 more finals with at least 2 more chips with one finals MVP.

8 finals. 5 chips.
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Post#155 » by hugepatsfan » Wed Jun 1, 2022 4:54 pm

He'd have to be better than prime Lebron. Which he never has been close to and seems unlikely to me he has another gear to jump to in his mid to late 30s.

Lebron and Curry both pass my longevity test. Both have multiple rings and accolades. I really rank them only on primes/peaks now. Lebron at the best of his career is just world's better than Curry. That's why Lebron is a legit GOAT candidate and Curry is outside top 10 on most lists.
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Post#156 » by Spin Move » Wed Jun 1, 2022 5:55 pm

If Curry gets 6 rings there is an argument, he is the greatest 3 point shooter of all time. However Lebron effects the game in more ways. I think Curry is alot more likable then lebron, but if you were drafting both as rookies 90% of the time you are taking lebron. I think enough titles could swing it.
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Post#157 » by JRoy » Wed Jun 1, 2022 5:59 pm

I’m not a LeBron fan but he is a top 10 all time player.
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Re: What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time? 

Post#158 » by TheLand13 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 7:21 pm

WarriorGM wrote:
TheLand13 wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:Why divide basketball skills along an offense and defense axis? Why not an on-ball off-ball axis? Or how about individual vs. team basis? It's like cancer being categorized according to what part of the body it appears. Might make some sense but it does not mean it is the best way to do so.


This is a next level dumb **** take if I've ever seen one. At this point your intention is becoming way too obvious to the point of desperation. Again, you are better off admitting you are just too biased to admit LeBron>Curry, but don't want to and it's resulting in this. Just stop posting. You're only making things worse for yourself.


You should just admit Curry is better.


You have yet to even give one reason for me to think Curry is better. In fact if anything, your lack of legitimate reasons for Curry being better has made me think the gap between the two is bigger than it actually is. I don't understand how you can be so bad at this.
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Re: What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time? 

Post#159 » by HomoSapien » Wed Jun 1, 2022 7:23 pm

I don't think there's anything Curry could do that would make me think he's the better overall player. Lebron's the superior player. That said, I think Curry has had a more impressive career and when it's all said and done may have more rings.
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Re: What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time? 

Post#160 » by Johnny Tomala » Wed Jun 1, 2022 7:27 pm

What a ridiculous article.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/stephen-curry-leading-the-warriors-to-another-nba-title-could-stir-up-a-new-round-of-goat-debates/

Another title, and the all-time great debate looks something like this:

1. Jordan

2. LeBron

3. Kareem

4. Shaq

5. Steph

Can Steph eventually pass LeBron? Maybe, but unlikely.

But beat the Celtics, and he will have launched himself further than any one of his patented deep shots.

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