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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#661 » by SeattleJazzFan » Tue May 31, 2022 8:52 pm

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He averages 8 assists over his NBA career, why would his worst case average 6 assists? He dominates the basketball already and averages 8 assists. Why would he score half the points but only produce two less assists?


lol. the point is luka had a very high floor coming into the league.


I don't believe in floors because fits exist. You have to be the right fit at the right time to be succesful on the court. Some players fail because they never got the right opportunity and it defeated them, so we never got to see them at their best. High floor sounds like a player is going to play to that level of his "floor" no matter what organizations throw at him from coach firings, to front office reorganizations, to mid season trades, etc, etc, etc.


luka was going to be a good player regardless of who drafted him. again, he was about as bust proof as a player could possibly be coming into the draft.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#662 » by SelfishPlayer » Tue May 31, 2022 8:57 pm

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lol. the point is luka had a very high floor coming into the league.


I don't believe in floors because fits exist. You have to be the right fit at the right time to be succesful on the court. Some players fail because they never got the right opportunity and it defeated them, so we never got to see them at their best. High floor sounds like a player is going to play to that level of his "floor" no matter what organizations throw at him from coach firings, to front office reorganizations, to mid season trades, etc, etc, etc.


luka was going to be a good player regardless of who drafted him. again, he was about as bust proof as a player could possibly be coming into the draft.


Do you have any posts where you stated before the draft how bust proof Luka is?
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#663 » by Coeur » Tue May 31, 2022 9:41 pm

5-sharpe
6-Duren
7-Mathurin
8-Dyson Daniels
9- Hardy
10- Kendall Brown
11- Beauchamp
12- Eason
13- Davis
14- Keegan Murray
15- sochan
16- Griffen Jr
17- Jovic
18- Jalen Williams
19- Wendell Moore Jr
20- Dieng
21- Mark Williams
22- Agbaji
23- branham
24- procida
25- Bryce McGowans
26- terquiavion
27- Ej Liddell
28- Peyton Watson
29- Hugo Besson
30- Ty Ty
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#664 » by shangrila » Tue May 31, 2022 9:43 pm

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remi_222 wrote:too many ppl sleep on YOANN MAKOUNDOU !!!!! just got eliminated by ASVEL in France doing an incredible job both ends of the floor, but on his way sure to dominate the work outs before the draft !!!! it's coming

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his last 2 games of the year vs Mike James and Monaco (top 8 Euroleague team this year) and not against teenagers.

Looks alright, I assume he's the big/long guy hitting 3s?

What's his game like?
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#665 » by SelfishPlayer » Wed Jun 1, 2022 10:25 am

Michael Foster Jr continues to intrigue me especially after dispelling my length concerns for him at the combine. I don't value high school basketball, but I don't see where him becoming a pro out of high school should have negatively separated him from his peers that attended college and retained their values. He looks like a first round pick. Here he is using a euro step at 1:53 to go with his three point shooting and bully ball scoring package.

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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#666 » by CptCrunch » Wed Jun 1, 2022 12:27 pm

https://youtu.be/lbDpX_u4k_c

This guy is going #4, listen to him speak. Like a Kobe.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#667 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Jun 1, 2022 1:06 pm

CptCrunch wrote:https://youtu.be/lbDpX_u4k_c

This guy is going #4, listen to him speak. Like a Kobe.


Stop it.

He is going 7.

I wasnt able to articulate myself as well as Dyson until I was like 25. Dude is way mature for his age. Just so clearly a coaches son.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#668 » by CptCrunch » Wed Jun 1, 2022 2:20 pm

Dyson should be #4 this year.

Elite agility and size.

Elite defense for age.

Great play maker who can play PG.

Incredibly well spoken for age.

Wart is with shooting, but showed great shooting near end of season and supposedly during current workouts. Shooting is the easiest to improve aspect of the game.

I would be tempted to take him top 3 this point ahead of Jabari.

Really, I see no reason you take a Ivey over this guy. Jumping a bit higher does what?
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#669 » by SelfishPlayer » Wed Jun 1, 2022 6:30 pm

CptCrunch wrote:Dyson should be #4 this year.

Elite agility and size.

Elite defense for age.

Great play maker who can play PG.

Incredibly well spoken for age.

Wart is with shooting, but showed great shooting near end of season and supposedly during current workouts. Shooting is the easiest to improve aspect of the game.

I would be tempted to take him top 3 this point ahead of Jabari.

Really, I see no reason you take a Ivey over this guy. Jumping a bit higher does what?


Ivey is much much much faster. IMO athleticism and length give you a chance at producing early as you develop actual skills/craftiness. Guys lacking in those areas absolutely have to have skills to produce early, some of them may never develop enough NBA skills early enough to deserve playing time to develop. Athleticism and length to me are like hedges as all of these prospects are a gamble/investment.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#670 » by SeattleJazzFan » Wed Jun 1, 2022 7:10 pm

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I don't believe in floors because fits exist. You have to be the right fit at the right time to be succesful on the court. Some players fail because they never got the right opportunity and it defeated them, so we never got to see them at their best. High floor sounds like a player is going to play to that level of his "floor" no matter what organizations throw at him from coach firings, to front office reorganizations, to mid season trades, etc, etc, etc.


luka was going to be a good player regardless of who drafted him. again, he was about as bust proof as a player could possibly be coming into the draft.


Do you have any posts where you stated before the draft how bust proof Luka is?


do you disagree with my statement about him being bust proof?
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#671 » by SelfishPlayer » Wed Jun 1, 2022 7:25 pm

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luka was going to be a good player regardless of who drafted him. again, he was about as bust proof as a player could possibly be coming into the draft.


Do you have any posts where you stated before the draft how bust proof Luka is?


do you disagree with my statement about him being bust proof?


I asked if you posted your statement before that draft.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#672 » by SeattleJazzFan » Wed Jun 1, 2022 7:28 pm

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Do you have any posts where you stated before the draft how bust proof Luka is?


do you disagree with my statement about him being bust proof?


I asked if you posted your statement before that draft.


and i'm asking if you disagree.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#673 » by SelfishPlayer » Wed Jun 1, 2022 7:30 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:
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do you disagree with my statement about him being bust proof?


I asked if you posted your statement before that draft.


and i'm asking if you disagree.


The end.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#674 » by The-Stallion70 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 7:36 pm

Does Sharpe remind anyone of Andrew/Aaron Harrison?

Big, athletic guards. Dominated high school, etc.
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This trade wasn't some conspiracy - it was just a GM wanting AD bad enough where in most people's eyes he overpaid by a long shot to get him.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#675 » by SeattleJazzFan » Wed Jun 1, 2022 7:45 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:Does Sharpe remind anyone of Andrew/Aaron Harrison?

Big, athletic guards. Dominated high school, etc.


so hard to say. seems like sharpe might have better shooting mechanics than them, probably a better athlete and more nba-ready body. it's all speculation around sharpe. who knows.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#676 » by zimpy27 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 7:57 pm

Trying not to see Evan Turner when I look at Dyson
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#677 » by SeattleJazzFan » Wed Jun 1, 2022 8:09 pm

zimpy27 wrote:Trying not to see Evan Turner when I look at Dyson


appears to be a better run/jump athlete, maybe a bit longer and a better defender than turner was coming out.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#678 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Jun 1, 2022 8:18 pm

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zimpy27 wrote:Trying not to see Evan Turner when I look at Dyson


appears to be a better run/jump athlete, maybe a bit longer and a better defender than turner was coming out.


Fluidity. Dyson is much more fluid an athlete than Turner + much better lateral quickness - also his shot form is way better.

Daniels went from shooting at the HS 3PT line to the NBA line in the G-League - it took some adjustment but once he got a better feel he was like 45% from 3 for the last 9 games. I think that adjustment isnt spoken about enough, its quite a different shot. (He wont be a 45% guy obviously, but not a ET level guy either - think he has all the tools to be a 38% guy with time).
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#679 » by SelfishPlayer » Wed Jun 1, 2022 8:51 pm

Paolo Banchero vs Jabari Smith


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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Part II 

Post#680 » by zimpy27 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 9:04 pm

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zimpy27 wrote:Trying not to see Evan Turner when I look at Dyson


appears to be a better run/jump athlete, maybe a bit longer and a better defender than turner was coming out.


Fluidity. Dyson is much more fluid an athlete than Turner + much better lateral quickness - also his shot form is way better.

Daniels went from shooting at the HS 3PT line to the NBA line in the G-League - it took some adjustment but once he got a better feel he was like 45% from 3 for the last 9 games. I think that adjustment isnt spoken about enough, its quite a different shot. (He wont be a 45% guy obviously, but not a ET level guy either - think he has all the tools to be a 38% guy with time).


That's a good point. If you really think he can shoot that well then you take him top 5.
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