Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3

[saloonyk8]

I don't think very many teams are contenders if they're not top 10 in defense in addition to offense. Can't see DAntoni having success on that level

True. But is there another realistic path to contention in the next 3 months that doesn't compromise our future?

Hell. do we HAVE to contend next season?

Would we settle for a potential top-4 seed, home court advantage in the 1st round of the playoffs instead?

Isn't a record setting offense, a deep post-season run and an MVP-caliber season for Trae be a nice consolation while we wait for our team to mature into true contenders?




Turn this place into a consistent winner...and other top players will line up to play in Atlanta.

I'm coming around to this... But I think the only players who's upside is still there...OO and Hunter...maybe JJ.

So for me any trade that allows us to keep those guys still gives us the "upside" to grow and develop into something more.

For example if we can get Ayton without giving up Hunter OO we should do it. Not sure about Gobert due to that huge salary... But if Capella and Gallo somehow gets it done then why not

[New_Hawks_Era]

I'm one of the get Donavon Mitchell or Zach Lavigne guys but Brogdon definitely intrigues me. I think he's an even more perfect fit with Trae. That would be basically a interchangeable backcourt as both can handle and facilitate as #1 Points and Brogdon isn't a liability from outside either. And he brings a bit more defensive prestige.

[D21]

I'm one of the get Donavon Mitchell or Zach Lavigne guys but Brogdon definitely intrigues me. I think he's an even more perfect fit with Trae. That would be basically a interchangeable backcourt as both can handle and facilitate as #1 Points and Brogdon isn't a liability from outside either. And he brings a bit more defensive prestige.

Mitchell and Lavine play no defense, do you really want to put them with Trae?
But I agree that Brogdon could be a good fit here. The problem is that we don't really need to improve the PG position, especially if Delon stays. We need a SG stopper, and I'm not sure if Brogdon can do that with tall SG

OG Aunoby rumor time, what would it take to acquire him from Hawks? Could we still keep Hunter and OO?

Would they want Collins or Bogi as centerpiece?

No to Collins and hell no to Bogi. Would take OO+

Good, as I don't want to trade Bogi.
Behind Trae, he's only one that hit big shots in the 4th, and more important, ATL played at its best when he was on floor, it would be just stupid to trade him, even if I like OG

For example if we can get Ayton without giving up Hunter OO we should do it. Not sure about Gobert due to that huge salary... But if Capella and Gallo somehow gets it done then why not

But Ayton is injury prone and doesn't give a lot better than Capela, and would cost more.
Stop reading the "proposed trades" of the media, this guy makes no sense here.

Why BOS and GSW are in the Finals? part of the reason is having guys playing C able to shoot 3s.
We would be better with Turner than with Ayton, it's a sure thing, and it cost less.

I don't think very many teams are contenders if they're not top 10 in defense in addition to offense. Can't see DAntoni having success on that level

That's right, but at the same time, he was not too much far from winning it sometimes, having bad luck with suspensions or injuries.
If he work with good defensive assistant, it can be a good staff.

[Jamaaliver]

For example if we can get Ayton without giving up Hunter OO we should do it. Not sure about Gobert due to that huge salary... But if Capella and Gallo somehow gets it done then why not

But Ayton is injury prone and doesn't give a lot better than Capela, and would cost more.
Stop reading the "proposed trades" of the media, this guy makes no sense here.

DeAndre Ayton is a massively more talented player than Capela, Collins or Myles Turner.

His stats are limited in PHX because he is a third (fourth) option on most plays. But the kid has immense talent. He's closer to Embiid talent-wise than anyone on our roster.

It's why multiple teams will be looking to throw a max (or near max) deal at him.

[D21]

For example if we can get Ayton without giving up Hunter OO we should do it. Not sure about Gobert due to that huge salary... But if Capella and Gallo somehow gets it done then why not

But Ayton is injury prone and doesn't give a lot better than Capela, and would cost more.
Stop reading the "proposed trades" of the media, this guy makes no sense here.

DeAndre Ayton is a massively more talented player than Capela, Collins or Myles Turner.

His stats are limited in PHX because he is a third (fourth) option on most plays. But the kid has immense talent. He's closer to Embiid talent-wise than anyone on our roster.

It's why multiple teams will be looking to throw a max (or near max) deal at him.

Offensively, yes, but on defense, I'm not sure he's better than Capela.
Look at the Net rating of PHO during the playoffs, it's exactly what I saw watching their games: he brings on offense, but on defense, they were 8pts better without him.
It's the opposite of Capela, and we need to improve the defense, not the offense.


And like I already said, in the long term, sure he will be better than Capela, and may even get a good 3pts shot on high volume, but I'm not talking about comparing both players, I'm talking about comparing money, and if it's Ayton at 33M (and if he gets the Max and makes All-NBA, he will be at 39M) or Turner at 18M + another player at 15-20M, or this 15-20M put on an upgrade from Huerter to Simmons for example, I'm sure we win it.
I would prefer to have Turner+Simmons than Ayton+Huerter

IMO, turning Capela+Gallo+Huerter+picks into Turner+Simmons makes this team better than any Sign & Trade for Ayton at the Max

[Jamaaliver]

DeAndre Ayton is a massively more talented player than Capela, Collins or Myles Turner.

His stats are limited in PHX because he is a third (fourth) option on most plays. But the kid has immense talent. He's closer to Embiid talent-wise than anyone on our roster.

It's why multiple teams will be looking to throw a max (or near max) deal at him.

Offensively, yes, but on defense, I'm not sure he's better than Capela.
Look at the Net rating of PHO during the playoffs, it's exactly what I saw watching their games: he brings on offense, but on defense, they were 8pts better without him.
It's the opposite of Capela, and we need to improve the defense, not the offense.

^This is a fair and undeniable point about the defense.

Though I will say, we didn't lose that first round series to Miami as bad as we did because our defense was bad. We got dominated by Miami in the playoffs because we couldn't consistently score buckets and turned the ball over like crazy.

I would prefer to have Turner+Simmons than Ayton+Huerter

IMO, turning Capela+Gallo+Huerter+picks into Turner+Simmons makes this team better than any Sign & Trade for Ayton at the Max

On this, I 100% agree.

[D21]

^This is a fair and undeniable point about the defense.

Though I will say, we didn't lose that first round series to Miami as bad as we did because our defense was bad. We got dominated by Miami in the playoffs because we couldn't consistently score buckets and turned the ball over like crazy.

You're right, but don't forget our C and PF were injured and it impacts the speed of the team and all the options of Trae as he were not able to feed them as fast as usual.
This, and the fact that nobody was here to stop Oladipo, the guy got a big impact, and I was sure it was coming as we were not able to stop quick guards all season long

Look at the speed difference between Ayton and Turner when they end up shooting 3s, I'm sure based on Trae speed that we would be better having another quick C (paired with Okongwu), especially if the difference in salary allows us to upgrade the SG position:
Turner: https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=33&CFPARAMS=2021-22&ContextMeasure=FG3M&GameID=&PlayerID=1626167&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game
Ayton: https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=33&CFPARAMS=2021-22&ContextMeasure=FG3M&GameID=&PlayerID=1629028&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game

I also found this video where you can see his speed defending the pick and roll ball handler:

Watch on YouTube

Playing with Turner at C would be exactly like how BOS play with Horford, and GSW with Green as C, and they are both in NBA Finals
Need to check that, but I would say the last times a team was NBA Champion with non-shooting C in the rotation, it was DAL in 2011 with Chandler and Haywood, and Cleveland in 2016 with Thompson (maybe they played a bit Love at C in game7)
Even when SAS later played Duncan and Diaw at C, Diaw was shooting 3s
When TOR got their title, Gasol was shooting 3s

If we can't get Simmons, maybe getting Turner+Brogdon (as we are sure IND want to trad him) with two out of Capela/Gallo/Huerter would be a good thing. Not great as Turner+Simmons, but still an improvement.

[Ball4life32]

For example if we can get Ayton without giving up Hunter OO we should do it. Not sure about Gobert due to that huge salary... But if Capella and Gallo somehow gets it done then why not

But Ayton is injury prone and doesn't give a lot better than Capela, and would cost more.
Stop reading the "proposed trades" of the media, this guy makes no sense here.

DeAndre Ayton is a massively more talented player than Capela, Collins or Myles Turner.

His stats are limited in PHX because he is a third (fourth) option on most plays. But the kid has immense talent. He's closer to Embiid talent-wise than anyone on our roster.

It's why multiple teams will be looking to throw a max (or near max) deal at him.

Ayton was their 3rd option but even then he had more usage than JC last year.

Ayton 21.4%
JC 20.5%

A lot of ppl think since JC is the 2nd leading scorer in Atlanta that means he gets 2nd option usage but it’s really not even close, he’s more like 3rd/4th option usage wise on most teams.

[dms269]

IMO, turning Capela+Gallo+Huerter+picks into Turner+Simmons makes this team better than any Sign & Trade for Ayton at the

Of course it makes us better, but it is so unrealistic. No one we are giving up has thar amount of value.

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[Years90Suns]

The way to be a different team would be to do that Grant trade and then play

Trae
Huerter
Hunter
Grant
Collins

Play full speed, everybody shooting, everybody helping on defense and everybody helping to close the rebounds...

It could be a disaster to play without a traditional center, and the task could be too demanding for Collins, but Collins-Hunter-Grant can change men continuously.

This is a very radical, outside the box approach. but not a terrible idea. We'd need to embrace the 7 seconds or less mantra of the 2000s Suns, but we could score 120+ every night and beat a ton of teams off offense alone.

Defensively we'd be a disaster. But how many teams could keep up with our scoring with that squad?

I wouldn't trust Nate to oversee it. But Mike D'Antoni would be perfect to lead this type of attack. Trae would likely be an MVP candidate in a super-sized attack that could see him lead the league in assists per game.

I like it...for at least one year.

I was not thinking about run and gun type of basketball.
D'Antoni to me is fireworks. Something that can be atractive, but it is smoke in the end.

The only BUT in this plan is Collins, because obviously he is not defensive minded and cannot anchore the team as if he was Draymond Green. But he has the speed and quickness to adapt and defend multiple areas on the court.

Obviously Turner is a better inside defender and is taller, can block shots, etc. But he is completely unable to take part in some parts of the game.

[saloonyk8]

The way to be a different team would be to do that Grant trade and then play

Trae
Huerter
Hunter
Grant
Collins

Play full speed, everybody shooting, everybody helping on defense and everybody helping to close the rebounds...

It could be a disaster to play without a traditional center, and the task could be too demanding for Collins, but Collins-Hunter-Grant can change men continuously.

This is a very radical, outside the box approach. but not a terrible idea. We'd need to embrace the 7 seconds or less mantra of the 2000s Suns, but we could score 120+ every night and beat a ton of teams off offense alone.

Defensively we'd be a disaster. But how many teams could keep up with our scoring with that squad?

I wouldn't trust Nate to oversee it. But Mike D'Antoni would be perfect to lead this type of attack. Trae would likely be an MVP candidate in a super-sized attack that could see him lead the league in assists per game.

I like it...for at least one year.

I was not thinking about run and gun type of basketball.
D'Antoni to me is fireworks. Something that can be atractive, but it is smoke in the end.

The only BUT in this plan is Collins, because obviously he is not defensive minded and cannot anchore the team as if he was Draymond Green. But he has the speed and quickness to adapt and defend multiple areas on the court.

Obviously Turner is a better inside defender and is taller, can block shots, etc. But he is completely unable to take part in some parts of the game.

No arguing that Turner is a great fit... But he's also got one year left on his deal, and I'm not sure Indiana is keen to trade him anyway.

[D21]

IMO, turning Capela+Gallo+Huerter+picks into Turner+Simmons makes this team better than any Sign & Trade for Ayton at the

Of course it makes us better, but it is so unrealistic. No one we are giving up has thar amount of value.

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It was only as "best case", but it should be tried, as IND are certainly not sure if they want to keep him now that they decided to rebuild. And Simmons might be at his all-time lowest value.
If one of these two team wants cap relief, Gallo before June 29th gives that. It is value. Huerter is on a good contract. We could even add Johnson or Cooper if management thought that McMillan won't involved them.
If they think that Johnson can really be good, then it makes John available.

What I'm saying is that I would explore these things before any Ayton signing. He would cost a lot and we would need to send players.
It won't be a big improvement, if any.

I would better keep this roster as it is than trading for Ayton. Yes, I'm frustrated after this season, but I still believe they can be good and can play better defense if McMillan can coach like one year ago and they stay healthy.
Trades or not, we need to take care of the players staying here, and a better staff might be needed for that too. And Schlenk/McMillan have to stop rushing them getting back on the court like they did at the beginning of the season, it might be part of the reason several players were injured again

[Jamaaliver]

A major gamble of a trade proposal.

I would probably do this if the medicals check out...but the roster after this trade would need more shooting and wing depth.

[HMFFL]

Two first round picks?
I'd do it if it's the best we can do. However, once John Collins is trade, it will happen, I expect us to regret moving him. One of the main reasons why we're not good is because we don't involve our frontcourt enough on offense.


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[HMFFL]

Lavine doesn't show me anything that makes me believe he's giving the game everything he has. I don't like his body language anytime I have watched him play.

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[myrak433]

Lavine doesn't show me anything that makes me believe he's giving the game everything he has. I don't like his body language anytime I have watched him play.

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And yet he has averaged 25 pts the last 3 seasons

[D21]

Two first round picks?
I'd do it if it's the best we can do. However, once John Collins is trade, it will happen, I expect us to regret moving him. One of the main reasons why we're not good is because we don't involve our frontcourt enough on offense

It would a big gamble, but one I would be OK if his extension is like what Embiid had.
Hard to loose Hunter, but at least, Nance is a good player.

Regarding Collins, it's a possibility. The problem I see is not that he needs 20 FGA, it's getting better shots, having more systems for him.
At one point, I found that if he took 2 or 3 3pts shots, ATL had a lot of W, if he was shooting 4 or ore 3pts, they were loosing, and it matches a fact: when he takes more 3pts, it's because there is no movement and he's the guy waiting in the corner.

Lavine doesn't show me anything that makes me believe he's giving the game everything he has. I don't like his body language anytime I have watched him play.

Same here, I don't trust him even he can be a fantastic scorer, which is not what we need mainly

And yet he has averaged 25 pts the last 3 seasons

And... with a poor defense.
Once again, he was totally neutral this season in a winning team. Offense better by 3pts on 100 possessions, but defense worse by 3pts. Ball was +5 and DeRozan +6 (before going negative once again in the playoffs games)

What's the point to get 25pts from Lavine if the opponent SG still scored 30 on this team? It's just another shining name.

[Godaddycurse]

Would you guys do

Huerter + 16
for
Gary Trent Jr + 33

I think Gary has more upside (I think he can become a 2nd/3rd option) and he is a better defender than Huerter as well.

[Jamaaliver]

Would you guys do

Huerter + 16
for
Gary Trent Jr + 33

I think Gary has more upside (I think he can become a 2nd/3rd option) and he is a better defender than Huerter as well.

This isn't a bad trade, it just doesn't do much for us. You'd likely need to add a future 2nd rounder (or two) to balance it out.

But, all it does is take us from being a 43 win team that loses in the first round of the playoffs to a 45 win team that loses in the first round of the playoffs.

Seems like it really just helps Toronto move up in the draft.

[D21]

Would you guys do

Huerter + 16
for
Gary Trent Jr + 33

I think Gary has more upside (I think he can become a 2nd/3rd option) and he is a better defender than Huerter as well.

Indeed, not a bad trade, but it's not exactly a big change. Actually, we don't really need a 2nd or 3rd option, even Hunter should be tested as 2nd option if McMillan was a bit smarter in his coaching.
What we really need is a better defender, which Trent is compared to Huerter, but it might be not enough to do this trade