Tatum VS Luka

[Wagonband]

This is an example of why it's easier to win with a player like Tatum

I don't know if you guys are trolling at this point or not. How in any possible reality is a player going 3/17 proof that it's easier to win with him, and not a proof that he has great teammates is beyond me.

If Luka went 3/17 the Mavs would lose by 50

[TheGOATRises007]

If you swap the two, the Celtics would be prohibitive favorites for the finals.

And Tatum likely doesn't steer the Mavs past the Suns.

This comparison is embarrassing.

Tatum is a great player. Top 10 in the league. Has a weak top 5 argument.

Luka has offensive GOAT potential.

[SelfishPlayer]

This is an example of why it's easier to win with a player like Tatum

I don't know if you guys are trolling at this point or not. How in any possible reality is a player going 3/17 proof that it's easier to win with him, and not a proof that he has great teammates is beyond me.

If Luka went 3/17 the Mavs would lose by 50

The Mavs won playoff games without Luka.

[leolozon]

This is an example of why it's easier to win with a player like Tatum

I don't know if you guys are trolling at this point or not. How in any possible reality is a player going 3/17 proof that it's easier to win with him, and not a proof that he has great teammates is beyond me.

If Luka went 3/17 the Mavs would lose by 50

The Mavs won playoff games without Luka.

1-Against Utah not Golden State.

2- Probablly easier to win with a player not being there than with a player going 3/17.

Your argument was nonsensical. Whay it obviously proves is that the Celtics have a great/deep team.

And what both this win and the Utah wins prove is that beeing hot from 3 is probably the most inportant factor when it comes to winning.

[SelfishPlayer]

I don't know if you guys are trolling at this point or not. How in any possible reality is a player going 3/17 proof that it's easier to win with him, and not a proof that he has great teammates is beyond me.

If Luka went 3/17 the Mavs would lose by 50

The Mavs won playoff games without Luka.

1-Against Utah not Golden State.

2- Probablly easier to win with a player not being there than with a player going 3/17.

Your argument was nonsensical. Whay it obviously proves is that the Celtics have a great/deep team.

And what both this win and the Utah wins prove is that beeing hot from 3 is probably the most inportant factor when it comes to winning.

Yes Tatum is part of a great team that NEEDS him to produce big numbers, if not in points, than in assists. Luka's on/off is terrible, perhaps that's why the Mavs won playoff games without him.

[mpoo_sin]

The debate shouldn t be about wether Tatum is better than Doncic. The answer should be clear.
Much more interesting and debatable is the question if Jaylen Brown is better than Tatum.

[3toheadmelo]

This is an example of why it's easier to win with a player like Tatum, because he plays defense and on a terrible shooting night he can fall back on being a playmaker. The greats are known for this, when their shot isn't going they look for their teammates. Tatum got assists, he didn't just defer.

Bingo!

[mabundo_nagumbe]

This is an example of why it's easier to win with a player like Tatum, because he plays defense and on a terrible shooting night he can fall back on being a playmaker. The greats are known for this, when their shot isn't going they look for their teammates. Tatum got assists, he didn't just defer.

Bingo!

In the mean time, Luka looks for his teammates whether he has a good scoring games or not. Numbers dont lie

[SecondTake]

How you gonna say I have a problem with reading when you can't make a proper sentence?

Either way offensively Jordan is much better. Led the league in scoring in his 4th year of his career. You also said Jordan didn't play much defense at this time in his career.. but he also won defensive player of the year that season as well. Honestly comparing Luka to Jordan is just setting yourself up for disappointment. Why do that to your favorite player

You should be proud speaking better than someone, who is using English only in this forum.

I have never said Luka and Jordan are comparable as players, their counting stats in playoffs are. But you have no interest in Luka's playoffs stats, aren't you? You rather move target and talk about Jordan's D.

Bob just let it out. You know deep down you think Luka is better than Jordan or at least on his level. we see it. For someone who keeps comparing his stats to him but denies that you’re comparing them as players is very telling

Ok and why is that wrong? There is a legitimate argument that OVERALL Luka is about as good as MJ and LeBron were at this same age.

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[SecondTake]

Since Op is so hellbent on Tatum being a "winning player" and Doncic not: what has Tatum actually won yet? Jack ****! You say Doncics international accomplishments are "irrelevant". Why is that? Doesn t fit your narrative about him not being a winning player i suppose.

Let s see how the Celtics fare against the Warriors.
How would you think about Tatum being a winning player when they get swept by the Warriors? A hypothetical question of course. But i m really curious what your answer is to this question.

Are you serious? I'm not a big Tatum fan, haven't really watched him closely enough but winning a title makes him a winning player. Idk what else you want from him?

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[3toheadmelo]

You should be proud speaking better than someone, who is using English only in this forum.

I have never said Luka and Jordan are comparable as players, their counting stats in playoffs are. But you have no interest in Luka's playoffs stats, aren't you? You rather move target and talk about Jordan's D.

Bob just let it out. You know deep down you think Luka is better than Jordan or at least on his level. we see it. For someone who keeps comparing his stats to him but denies that you’re comparing them as players is very telling

Ok and why is that wrong? There is a legitimate argument that OVERALL Luka is about as good as MJ and LeBron were at this same age.

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There’s no argument unless you’re ignoring defense.

[SecondTake]

Since Op is so hellbent on Tatum being a "winning player" and Doncic not: what has Tatum actually won yet? Jack ****! You say Doncics international accomplishments are "irrelevant". Why is that? Doesn t fit your narrative about him not being a winning player i suppose.

Let s see how the Celtics fare against the Warriors.
How would you think about Tatum being a winning player when they get swept by the Warriors? A hypothetical question of course. But i m really curious what your answer is to this question.

Because we’re talking about two completely different leagues? Nobody cares about who has won what in Europe. Pablo Prigioni won the Spanish league in 2008. Whoopty doo! News flash.. this is the NBA.

I’ve never called Luka a losing player though. You’re just straw manning at this point. He’s a winning player too. But Tatum has won more in the NBA and can get your team into the finals which Luka has yet to shown. It’s the truth that you won’t accept.

Did i say you called Doncic a losing player?
Talking about straw manning...
So reaching the NBA finals is the criteria for being a winning player now?
Carry on...

Funny how you posted this a few hours before Tatum won the finals. Maybe you should have waited before posting, wouldn't look so bad

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[lambchop]

This is an example of why it's easier to win with a player like Tatum, because he plays defense and on a terrible shooting night he can fall back on being a playmaker. The greats are known for this, when their shot isn't going they look for their teammates. Tatum got assists, he didn't just defer.

Bingo!

In the mean time, Luka looks for his teammates whether he has a good scoring games or not. Numbers dont lie

Yea Luka had multiple games with 8 or more assists in the POs. Plus he never had a shooting night THIS bad. It's not like Tatum took 10 shots and then decided to become a facilitator. He just did his thing and showed great decision making qualities.

That said, Luka regularly gets compared to superstars and ATGs and Tatum has also drawn those comparisons due to his stellar performance in these playoffs. If an established superstar had 12 pts and 13 ast on 3 for 17 shooting in a PO win, this would simply be considered an elite carry job by his teammates.

The greats are actually known for scoring 30 points and getting 10 assists on a good shooting night. They aren't know for only getting assists as some kind of plan B to impact the game because they're struggling to score.

[SecondTake]

My grammar might be bad, but I didn't doubt how fluent your English is. I doubted about your reading comprehension. It could be deliberate thought.

I guess we won't continue in some other language, we're both fluent in?

Stay humble Bob! You’re digging yourself in a hole deeper and deeper with this

Maybe I will find Ayton in it.

I'm a bit disappointed, I was sure you will show me, how not native speaker should fluently speak some other language.

Bro you lost. You can barely type English, yet you called someone else out for their lack of English - except their English was actually just fine, and yours is so bad you didn't even realize it.

It's fine that English isn't your first language. Not a big deal. But don't be talking **** about someone who clearly speaks it as a first language and million times better than you.

And yeah, youre right - maybe his reading comprehension was bad. It's hard to comprehend half of what you're writing.

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[Bob8]

Bob just let it out. You know deep down you think Luka is better than Jordan or at least on his level. we see it. For someone who keeps comparing his stats to him but denies that you’re comparing them as players is very telling

Ok and why is that wrong? There is a legitimate argument that OVERALL Luka is about as good as MJ and LeBron were at this same age.

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There’s no argument unless you’re ignoring defense.

By your own criteria, only winning in playoffs matters, Jordan had pretty low start of his career.

[3toheadmelo]

This is an example of why it's easier to win with a player like Tatum, because he plays defense and on a terrible shooting night he can fall back on being a playmaker. The greats are known for this, when their shot isn't going they look for their teammates. Tatum got assists, he didn't just defer.

Bingo!

In the mean time, Luka looks for his teammates whether he has a good scoring games or not. Numbers dont lie

Luka had 4 assists in game 1 and went 6-18 with an L with 0 defense while Tatum had 13 assists (record high for debut in nba finals) with excellent defense and went home with a W. Yeah numbers don’t lie baby!

[sam_I_am]

Luka needs to make the change in his game that Tatum made - last night Tatum assisted on 20/24 points to start 4th quarter and he held the ball for less than 5 sec most plays - he kept the ball moving.

The Mavs played well without Luka and have a lot more talent than credited. Luka dominates the ball too much and runs the clock down too much. He makes laser beam passes to the open guy and is an incredible scorer - probably better at both than Tatum. His defense is atrocious whereas Tatum is the most impactful defender on the Celtics in terms of on/off differential and has been since rookie season.

When you look at the way they take care of their bodies, it’s appears that Tatum is more likely to be healthier and playing at a high level 5 years from now.

[Bob8]

Stay humble Bob! You’re digging yourself in a hole deeper and deeper with this

Maybe I will find Ayton in it.

I'm a bit disappointed, I was sure you will show me, how not native speaker should fluently speak some other language.

Bro you lost. You can barely type English, yet you called someone else out for their lack of English - except their English was actually just fine, and yours is so bad you didn't even realize it.

It's fine that English isn't your first language. Not a big deal. But don't be talking **** about someone who clearly speaks it as a first language and million times better than you.

And yeah, youre right - maybe his reading comprehension was bad. It's hard to comprehend half of what you're writing.

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You might look back at beginning of our conversation, before making big conclusions.

I'm using English only in this forum, so I would be shocked, if it wasn't bad. Thank you for being nice and making it very clear.

[Bob8]

Bingo!

In the mean time, Luka looks for his teammates whether he has a good scoring games or not. Numbers dont lie

Luka had 4 assists in game 1 and went 6-18 with an L with 0 defense while Tatum had 13 assists (record high for debut in nba finals) with excellent defense and went home with a W. Yeah numbers don’t lie baby!

Maybe, role players shooting 65% for 3, helped a little?

[nikster]

Bingo!

In the mean time, Luka looks for his teammates whether he has a good scoring games or not. Numbers dont lie

Luka had 4 assists in game 1 and went 6-18 with an L with 0 defense while Tatum had 13 assists (record high for debut in nba finals) with excellent defense and went home with a W. Yeah numbers don’t lie baby!

They won the game, but they started that run in the 4th with basically no involvement from Tatum