Who do you want us to take at #1?

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Kind of interesting.

I remember when the Magic leaked nothing. lol

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Pretty much sums up what I've been saying. Not entirely sure Chet is a go-to guy at all. He wasn't at Gonzaga and didn't really display it in college. He didn't iso much, didn't get to the line as much, and was OK on spot up 3's.

If Chet is who the Magic take there are far more questions on how he will be utilized at the next level regardless of the roster.

Paolo and Jabari were the offensive focal point on their teams. They went to the line much more often and took more attempts from the floor, especially Jabari. They are both closer to who we are watching in the finals as initiators despite having some concerns.

If the drop off in talent was MUCH vaster, then I would have less of an issue taking Chet. However, thats just not the case with this draft. Paolo and Jabari just make so much more sense to me as top picks in 2022. I say this without being partial to any of them at all as prospects. I dislike all three of them as #1 picks altogether for the concerns everyone has mentioned.

I feel like I have to preface everything in this thread with a disclaimer that I really don't care who they take out of the three guys. I just hope they have a plan in place more-so if its Chet.

Anybody who watched the games and not the box score would realize Chet was just a role player at Gonzaga. He was not featured nor did he seem to care. The unicorn label is crazy because he is not aggressive. He's a good system guy if that's what you're looking for. He won't disrupt chemistry and will be really effective. But go-to guy? Naah that's not him.

But I still maintain. IF we are looking to replace Isaac, then Chet is the pick. If we're looking to move Franz around, then Jabari is the pick. I hate Jabari as a PF like I hate Chet at C.

If we're smart, we trade the pick for a SG who can carry this team. Only one guy in this draft can match the intensity of a Jimmy Butler, Jaylen Brown, Devin Booker, or Luka Doncic... Jaden Ivey.

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Lol. Jabari -450 now. The most I ever saw for Edwards was -300.


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Bertans & Anderson with better defense is a quality bad take, like how can you even say that

and Banchero’s comp is Carmelo Anthony of course. I get we all have our favorites in this draft but sheesh.

I want to mess with you a little You should know me a little by now

All jokes aside i think Rashard Lewis is the best comp i saw.

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Front offices do not ask, “does the No. 1 pick fit the team?” They ask, “who on this team fits with the No. 1 pick?” Orlando should not draft based on need, but on who has the surest route to stardom.

Wendell Carter, Jr. is a perfect running mate for Holmgren. Chet will be enabled to use his length to pulverize and abuse opposing offenses while Carter, Jr. does the dirty work and bangs down low. Orlando also has wunderkind Franz Wagner on the roster, who is primed to take a second-year leap. A frontcourt of Carter, Jr., Holmgren, and Wagner would immediately be one of the most versatile, highest IQ, brilliantly passing, best shooting, and most dominant defensive frontcourts in the entire NBA. Throw Jonathan Isaac into the mix as a complete defensive game-wrecker and Jalen Suggs at the point-of-attack and Orlando is looking scary on that end for years to come. Holmgren’s spacing, smart off-ball movement, and fluidity would also allow for Orlando’s less-than-stellar shooters to flourish in space. Fultz’s dominant ability to knife into the paint and make plays will be perfectly accompanied by Holmgren.

With Chet Holmgren as the key to unlock all the talent already in place on the roster, the Orlando Magic are legitimately ready to put the rebuild to death once and for all. This is exciting! The No. 1 pick of the NBA draft will be an Orlando Magic. The ears of Magic fans are prepped and ready to hear the dying swan song of the rebuild, ushering in a new era of Magic basketball. This new age will be safe in the hands of Chet Holmgren.

NICE! Great read!

does anyone have a Smith equivalent of this? lol

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Not only on Jabari but hopefully with Paolo and Ivey as well.

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Front offices do not ask, “does the No. 1 pick fit the team?” They ask, “who on this team fits with the No. 1 pick?” Orlando should not draft based on need, but on who has the surest route to stardom.

Wendell Carter, Jr. is a perfect running mate for Holmgren. Chet will be enabled to use his length to pulverize and abuse opposing offenses while Carter, Jr. does the dirty work and bangs down low. Orlando also has wunderkind Franz Wagner on the roster, who is primed to take a second-year leap. A frontcourt of Carter, Jr., Holmgren, and Wagner would immediately be one of the most versatile, highest IQ, brilliantly passing, best shooting, and most dominant defensive frontcourts in the entire NBA. Throw Jonathan Isaac into the mix as a complete defensive game-wrecker and Jalen Suggs at the point-of-attack and Orlando is looking scary on that end for years to come. Holmgren’s spacing, smart off-ball movement, and fluidity would also allow for Orlando’s less-than-stellar shooters to flourish in space. Fultz’s dominant ability to knife into the paint and make plays will be perfectly accompanied by Holmgren.

With Chet Holmgren as the key to unlock all the talent already in place on the roster, the Orlando Magic are legitimately ready to put the rebuild to death once and for all. This is exciting! The No. 1 pick of the NBA draft will be an Orlando Magic. The ears of Magic fans are prepped and ready to hear the dying swan song of the rebuild, ushering in a new era of Magic basketball. This new age will be safe in the hands of Chet Holmgren.

NICE! Great read!

does anyone have a Smith equivalent of this? lol

Smith fits with players who can do all of that basketball stuff for him. Dribbling, processing the game. He will also need tough screens to get open becouse he cant create space unless team allows him to hit contested jumpers over defenders.
WCJ provides screens and makes the decisions during handoffs. On defense he can bang down low but rim protection is kind of weak unless JI comes to rescue but then there is limited passing and shot creation.
Wagner can handle the ball and read the game but he didnt have the quickest first step to create advantages. With Wagner and Jabari you need someone else to break defenses without screens.
Suggs and Fultz are the ones who could be the offensive engine but they couldnt shoot. Defender will sag off and other players can stay closer to their assignments. That is problematic for Smith who has 1-2 dribble moves which doesnt create much separation.
For me Jabari has so many flaws that he always makes things tougher for other players. You need to provide almost everything around him maybe besides tough shot making. Those Auburn guards had very tough time playing with first option who just wants to hold the ball and shoot.

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You know, I kinda never thought of that. If we get either of Chet/Jabari, you combine them with Franz and WcJ, none of our frontcourt players can beat any ( so far right now) defenders and break the defense down. The only one is probably Paolo who can do that.

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Those Auburn guards had very tough time playing with first option who just wants to hold the ball and shoot.

This is opposite of a quote I've seen of an (I think) college basketball scout who said the guards he played with were the worst he could've been paired with because of how badly they shot and how greedily they played. (Particularly Green who only took 1.6 less shots a game than Jabari on horrid numbers.) Said Jabari would much rather get his offense within the flow of the game. He also said Jabari definitely took some bad shots but with the space he was given + unreliability in his guards made it so he had to try to create something out of nothing.

Blaming the potential #1 pick for extremely **** guard play is certainly.. a take.

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You know, I kinda never thought of that. If we get either of Chet/Jabari, you combine them with Franz and WcJ, none of our frontcourt players can beat any ( so far right now) defenders and break the defense down. The only one is probably Paolo who can do that.

Franz is pretty crafty especially with a pick.

The bottom line is there is no identifiable star in this draft that you can point to and has everything we need. Paolo is probably the best pure scorer but has some shooting concern as well as defensive concerns. Will get buckets but at what cost? Jabari is an elite shooter and is active on defense and seems like the most "modern" of them all, but has the highest percentage to cap out as just a 2nd or 3rd guy. Chet is the gamble pick that could either bring huge fortunes to the team or set us back terribly if his game doesn't translate and he can't hang with the bigs in the league because of his size and frame. His game seems the most awkward to me but also the most intriguing.

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You know, I kinda never thought of that. If we get either of Chet/Jabari, you combine them with Franz and WcJ, none of our frontcourt players can beat any ( so far right now) defenders and break the defense down. The only one is probably Paolo who can do that.

Franz is pretty crafty especially with a pick.

The bottom line is there is no identifiable star in this draft that you can point to and has everything we need. Paolo is probably the best pure scorer but has some shooting concern as well as defensive concerns. Will get buckets but at what cost? Jabari is an elite shooter and is active on defense and seems like the most "modern" of them all, but has the highest percentage to cap out as just a 2nd or 3rd guy. Chet is the gamble pick that could either bring huge fortunes to the team or set us back terribly if his game doesn't translate and he can't hang with the bigs in the league because of his size and frame. His game seems the most awkward to me but also the most intriguing.

You're right about that. At the beginning it seems that Franz signature offensive move is/was a terrific cut that leaves defenders in the dust.

But i was thinking more of a player that forces team defense to collapse because said player can leave the defender behind with the quick first step , low post move or whatnot. Something i saw Paolo do a lot during college.

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Those Auburn guards had very tough time playing with first option who just wants to hold the ball and shoot.

This is opposite of a quote I've seen of an (I think) college basketball scout who said the guards he played with were the worst he could've been paired with because of how badly they shot and how greedily they played. (Particularly Green who only took 1.6 less shots a game than Jabari on horrid numbers.) Said Jabari would much rather get his offense within the flow of the game. He also said Jabari definitely took some bad shots but with the space he was given + unreliability in his guards made it so he had to try to create something out of nothing.

Blaming the potential #1 pick for extremely **** guard play is certainly.. a take.

So you have seen a quote but you didnt look into the numbers yourself. Its a narrative to make Jabari look better. He was Auburn highest recruit so they blame anyone beside's him.
He had the highest usage on the team and the truth is he made the game very difficult for everyone besides himself.
I see no chance any nba team will allow him to hold the ball and shoot contested jumpshots
Those "bad" guards
K.D Johnson 20/21 38.7% 3p; 21/22 29% 3p
Wendell Green 20/21 36.4% 30; 21/22 31.7% 3p

Thats what happens when you build your offense around players with limited basketball skill and below average game processing. They have good efficiency around their one trick but whole team suffers

Yes i blame potential number 1 pick he made his teammates look bad ! Same story with Cole Anthony year earlier. There is no chance we pick him first if Weltman has even one healthy eye.

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Those Auburn guards had very tough time playing with first option who just wants to hold the ball and shoot.

This is opposite of a quote I've seen of an (I think) college basketball scout who said the guards he played with were the worst he could've been paired with because of how badly they shot and how greedily they played. (Particularly Green who only took 1.6 less shots a game than Jabari on horrid numbers.) Said Jabari would much rather get his offense within the flow of the game. He also said Jabari definitely took some bad shots but with the space he was given + unreliability in his guards made it so he had to try to create something out of nothing.

Blaming the potential #1 pick for extremely **** guard play is certainly.. a take.

So you have seen a quote but you didnt look into the numbers yourself. Its a narrative to make Jabari look better. He was Auburn highest recruit so they blame anyone beside's him.
He had the highest usage on the team and the truth is he made the game very difficult for everyone besides himself.
I see no chance any nba team will allow him to hold the ball and shoot contested jumpshots
Those "bad" guards
K.D Johnson 20/21 38.7% 3p; 21/22 29% 3p
Wendell Green 20/21 36.4% 30; 21/22 31.7% 3p

Thats what happens when you build your offense around players with limited basketball skill and below average game processing. They have good efficiency around their one trick but whole team suffers

Yes i blame potential number 1 pick he made his teammates look bad ! Same story with Cole Anthony year earlier. There is no chance we pick him first if Weltman has even one healthy eye.

If you haven’t you really should watch some of those games. Those guards were the worst and most selfish players I have ever seen and that is Bruce Pearls system he let them go crazy. Jabari had to be selfish because as soon as he passed the ball he knew it wasn’t coming back. They consistently dumped shot clock grenades on him and missed him wide open.

Edit: Chet and Jabari are both not first options coming into the league. That is ok even as number one picks as long as you are sure in 3-4 years you can develop them. But I am skeptical anyone in this draft screams 1st option.

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This is opposite of a quote I've seen of an (I think) college basketball scout who said the guards he played with were the worst he could've been paired with because of how badly they shot and how greedily they played. (Particularly Green who only took 1.6 less shots a game than Jabari on horrid numbers.) Said Jabari would much rather get his offense within the flow of the game. He also said Jabari definitely took some bad shots but with the space he was given + unreliability in his guards made it so he had to try to create something out of nothing.

Blaming the potential #1 pick for extremely **** guard play is certainly.. a take.

So you have seen a quote but you didnt look into the numbers yourself. Its a narrative to make Jabari look better. He was Auburn highest recruit so they blame anyone beside's him.
He had the highest usage on the team and the truth is he made the game very difficult for everyone besides himself.
I see no chance any nba team will allow him to hold the ball and shoot contested jumpshots
Those "bad" guards
K.D Johnson 20/21 38.7% 3p; 21/22 29% 3p
Wendell Green 20/21 36.4% 30; 21/22 31.7% 3p

Thats what happens when you build your offense around players with limited basketball skill and below average game processing. They have good efficiency around their one trick but whole team suffers

Yes i blame potential number 1 pick he made his teammates look bad ! Same story with Cole Anthony year earlier. There is no chance we pick him first if Weltman has even one healthy eye.

If you haven’t you really should watch some of those games. Those guards were the worst and most selfish players I have ever seen and that is Bruce Pearls system he let them go crazy. Jabari had to be selfish because as soon as he passed the ball he knew it wasn’t coming back. They consistently dumped shot clock grenades on him and missed him wide open.

Edit: Chet and Jabari are both not first options coming into the league. That is ok even as number one picks as long as you are sure in 3-4 years you can develop them. But I am skeptical anyone in this draft screams 1st option.

Jabari shot 38% on contested threes so of course, you'd want him to keep shooting. That's probably a 500-team without Smith.

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You know, I kinda never thought of that. If we get either of Chet/Jabari, you combine them with Franz and WcJ, none of our frontcourt players can beat any ( so far right now) defenders and break the defense down. The only one is probably Paolo who can do that.

Franz is pretty crafty especially with a pick.

The bottom line is there is no identifiable star in this draft that you can point to and has everything we need. Paolo is probably the best pure scorer but has some shooting concern as well as defensive concerns. Will get buckets but at what cost? Jabari is an elite shooter and is active on defense and seems like the most "modern" of them all, but has the highest percentage to cap out as just a 2nd or 3rd guy. Chet is the gamble pick that could either bring huge fortunes to the team or set us back terribly if his game doesn't translate and he can't hang with the bigs in the league because of his size and frame. His game seems the most awkward to me but also the most intriguing.

i think Chet also is someone that cap's out as the 3rd guy, at least offensively. i dont see a lot of games where they gave him the ball and he went and got a bucket. Many of his were transition or garbage/rebound scores. Now, maybe he can do more of that and it was the result of playing with Timme who could get his shot. The scouts will have to figure that out.

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You know, I kinda never thought of that. If we get either of Chet/Jabari, you combine them with Franz and WcJ, none of our frontcourt players can beat any ( so far right now) defenders and break the defense down. The only one is probably Paolo who can do that.

Franz is pretty crafty especially with a pick.

The bottom line is there is no identifiable star in this draft that you can point to and has everything we need. Paolo is probably the best pure scorer but has some shooting concern as well as defensive concerns. Will get buckets but at what cost? Jabari is an elite shooter and is active on defense and seems like the most "modern" of them all, but has the highest percentage to cap out as just a 2nd or 3rd guy. Chet is the gamble pick that could either bring huge fortunes to the team or set us back terribly if his game doesn't translate and he can't hang with the bigs in the league because of his size and frame. His game seems the most awkward to me but also the most intriguing.

i think Chet also is someone that cap's out as the 3rd guy, at least offensively. i dont see a lot of games where they gave him the ball and he went and got a bucket. Many of his were transition or garbage/rebound scores. Now, maybe he can do more of that and it was the result of playing with Timme who could get his shot. The scouts will have to figure that out.

Chet got a crazy percentage of his points in transition and that won't happen in the NBA. That's probably why he struggled shooting against top teams because they get back on defense. I think he'll be borderline unplayable in playoff-type games.

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Those Auburn guards had very tough time playing with first option who just wants to hold the ball and shoot.

This is opposite of a quote I've seen of an (I think) college basketball scout who said the guards he played with were the worst he could've been paired with because of how badly they shot and how greedily they played. (Particularly Green who only took 1.6 less shots a game than Jabari on horrid numbers.) Said Jabari would much rather get his offense within the flow of the game. He also said Jabari definitely took some bad shots but with the space he was given + unreliability in his guards made it so he had to try to create something out of nothing.

Blaming the potential #1 pick for extremely **** guard play is certainly.. a take.

So you have seen a quote but you didnt look into the numbers yourself. Its a narrative to make Jabari look better. He was Auburn highest recruit so they blame anyone beside's him.
He had the highest usage on the team and the truth is he made the game very difficult for everyone besides himself.
I see no chance any nba team will allow him to hold the ball and shoot contested jumpshots
Those "bad" guards
K.D Johnson 20/21 38.7% 3p; 21/22 29% 3p
Wendell Green 20/21 36.4% 30; 21/22 31.7% 3p

Thats what happens when you build your offense around players with limited basketball skill and below average game processing. They have good efficiency around their one trick but whole team suffers

Yes i blame potential number 1 pick he made his teammates look bad ! Same story with Cole Anthony year earlier. There is no chance we pick him first if Weltman has even one healthy eye.

a few things i see when looking at numbers. Yes, Jabari had the highest usage on the team, but not by much.
Jabari - 27.6
Johnson - 24
Green - 26

So the Auburn guards had the ball and shot just as much as Jabari. Shot attempts
Jabari - 12.6 fga/game
Johnson - 10.1 fga/game
Green - 11 fga/game

So Jabari was not shooting much more than the starting guards. But as your best player, he should be shooting more than the others. But this was not completely lopsided. So everyone on the team was involved. Kessler also had 8 fga/game. But as you showed, the guards were not good shooters. bad from 2, bad from 3. the ball starts with the guards and they then pass it. So I'm just not understanding how Jabari made the game difficult for everyone else and how he made them look bad. It would be different if he had the handles and was bringing the ball up and initiating all the offense, but that was definitely not the case.

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Franz is pretty crafty especially with a pick.

The bottom line is there is no identifiable star in this draft that you can point to and has everything we need. Paolo is probably the best pure scorer but has some shooting concern as well as defensive concerns. Will get buckets but at what cost? Jabari is an elite shooter and is active on defense and seems like the most "modern" of them all, but has the highest percentage to cap out as just a 2nd or 3rd guy. Chet is the gamble pick that could either bring huge fortunes to the team or set us back terribly if his game doesn't translate and he can't hang with the bigs in the league because of his size and frame. His game seems the most awkward to me but also the most intriguing.

i think Chet also is someone that cap's out as the 3rd guy, at least offensively. i dont see a lot of games where they gave him the ball and he went and got a bucket. Many of his were transition or garbage/rebound scores. Now, maybe he can do more of that and it was the result of playing with Timme who could get his shot. The scouts will have to figure that out.

Chet got a crazy percentage of his points in transition and that won't happen in the NBA. That's probably why he struggled shooting against top teams because they get back on defense. I think he'll be borderline unplayable in playoff-type games.

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i view him as Gobert like with a 3 pt shot. very good player you want on your team and someone that makes you better, but not a #1, #2 maybe even #3 option. He does have more offensive skills than Gobert, but also has physical limitations that Gobert does, mostly due to his frame. but as its been mentioned, no prospect doesnt have some flaw or 2. limits the enthusiasm when we got the #1 pick.

Im not sure i wouldnt call Houston up, trade back for Banchero (as i think Chet/Smith go 1&2) and then using some combination of Ross/2nd's/Denver pick/maybe Cole, get back up to late lottery and grab either Agbaji or Branham. re-sign Bamba to combine with WCJ to give some rim protection with Banchero, we have defense with Wagner at SF and then Suggs + Agbaju/Branham giving good defense at SG. it will be interesting to see how the front office starts using assets to build a team

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