Tatum VS Luka

[3toheadmelo]

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[DarkAzcura]

In the mean time, Luka looks for his teammates whether he has a good scoring games or not. Numbers dont lie

Luka had 4 assists in game 1 and went 6-18 with an L with 0 defense while Tatum had 13 assists (record high for debut in nba finals) with excellent defense and went home with a W. Yeah numbers don’t lie baby!

They won the game, but they started that run in the 4th with basically no involvement from Tatum

You sure about that?

Luka needs to make the change in his game that Tatum made - last night Tatum assisted on 20/24 points to start 4th quarter and he held the ball for less than 5 sec most plays - he kept the ball moving.

[Bob8]

Defending a top5 player in Nba, who was shooting 3/17, must be exhausting.

I wonder how we should rated top Celtics' players in last game?

[Bob8]

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I agree, he totally dominated Steph. Just look at their +/-.

The only problem will be, if he finishes series as 5th best Celtics player.

[SelfishPlayer]

This is an example of why it's easier to win with a player like Tatum, because he plays defense and on a terrible shooting night he can fall back on being a playmaker. The greats are known for this, when their shot isn't going they look for their teammates. Tatum got assists, he didn't just defer.

Bingo!

In the mean time, Luka looks for his teammates whether he has a good scoring games or not. Numbers dont lie

Ball hogging...

[ITYSL]

Both of their Game 1s vs. the Warriors this playoffs

Luka: 6/18, 20 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 7 turnovers, +16
Tatum: 3/17, 12 points, 5 rebounds, 13 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 2 turnovers, -30

[nikster]

Luka had 4 assists in game 1 and went 6-18 with an L with 0 defense while Tatum had 13 assists (record high for debut in nba finals) with excellent defense and went home with a W. Yeah numbers don’t lie baby!

They won the game, but they started that run in the 4th with basically no involvement from Tatum

You sure about that?

Luka needs to make the change in his game that Tatum made - last night Tatum assisted on 20/24 points to start 4th quarter and he held the ball for less than 5 sec most plays - he kept the ball moving.

Yes I am lol, that guy is definetly wrong. Run started with Brown scoring or assisting on 14 straight points to start the quarter. Tatum barely touched the ball on that stretch. He had 4 total assists in the period, all of which came after this initial run, so its impossible he assisted in 20 points in the quarter

[Bob8]

They won the game, but they started that run in the 4th with basically no involvement from Tatum

You sure about that?

Luka needs to make the change in his game that Tatum made - last night Tatum assisted on 20/24 points to start 4th quarter and he held the ball for less than 5 sec most plays - he kept the ball moving.

Yes I am lol, that guy is definetly wrong. Run started with Brown scoring or assisting on 14 straight points to start the quarter. Tatum barely touched the ball on that stretch. He had 4 total assists in the period, all of which came after this initial run, so its impossible he assisted in 20 points in the quarter

Tatum in first 7 minutes of Q4, 3 missed shots and he had 1 assist. Just unbelievable what fairytales people are writing here.

[mpoo_sin]

Because we’re talking about two completely different leagues? Nobody cares about who has won what in Europe. Pablo Prigioni won the Spanish league in 2008. Whoopty doo! News flash.. this is the NBA.

I’ve never called Luka a losing player though. You’re just straw manning at this point. He’s a winning player too. But Tatum has won more in the NBA and can get your team into the finals which Luka has yet to shown. It’s the truth that you won’t accept.

Did i say you called Doncic a losing player?
Talking about straw manning...
So reaching the NBA finals is the criteria for being a winning player now?
Carry on...

Funny how you posted this a few hours before Tatum won the finals. Maybe you should have waited before posting, wouldn't look so bad

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Context, my friend!
+ he has not won it all yet
+ i do not see a contradiction in my statement. Tatum was all kind of mediocre in game one. His team won this despite of him. 13 asts is nice, some of those passes were quite neat. But his teammates were just going scorched earth in the later part of the game.

[Archx]

Guarded 82 partial possessions, let up just 10 points on 3/10 shooting

35.8% of those partial possessions was him guarding Draymond Green who was 1/3 and 16% was vs Klay who was 1/4. The next guy was Steph, Tatum guarded him 15% of time and was 1/2.

Tatum defense resulted in players shooting 3/10 vs him but he also contested only 6 shots and had 0 box outs. So 4 of those 3/10 was basically misses with Tatum being as the closest defender.

He had 3 deflections but still wasn't teams highest. Smart, Horford, Williams by all statistical measures did a better job on defense than Tatum and spent more time guarding GSW best players. There is even a great argument that Derrick White was better than Tatum on defense. Him guarding Steph forced Steph to shoot 2/6 directly vs him.

But at the end Tatum did good. That's true.

..he held the ball for less than 5 sec most plays - he kept the ball moving.

Why does that even matter? Look at the all around production from Celtics, they can afford to do that because they have a versatile roster.
Even though Luka had the highest seconds per touch, he still produced 0.35 points compared to Tatum 0.32 in the playoffs. If anything, Tatum should hold the ball more then, or be more efficient, pick whichever option you like.

[SelfishPlayer]

Guarded 82 partial possessions, let up just 10 points on 3/10 shooting

35.8% of those partial possessions was him guarding Draymond Green who was 1/3 and 16% was vs Klay who was 1/4. The next guy was Steph, Tatum guarded him 15% of time and was 1/2.

Tatum defense resulted in players shooting 3/10 vs him but he also contested only 6 shots and had 0 box outs. So 4 of those 3/10 was basically misses with Tatum being as the closest defender.

He had 3 deflections but still wasn't teams highest. Smart, Horford, Williams by all statistical measures did a better job on defense than Tatum and spent more time guarding GSW best players. There is even a great argument that Derrick White was better than Tatum on defense. Him guarding Steph forced Steph to shoot 2/6 directly vs him.

But at the end Tatum did good. That's true.

..he held the ball for less than 5 sec most plays - he kept the ball moving.

Why does that even matter? Look at the all around production from Celtics, they can afford to do that because they have a versatile roster.
Even though Luka had the highest seconds per touch, he still produced 0.35 points compared to Tatum 0.32 in the playoffs. If anything, Tatum should hold the ball more then, or be more efficient, pick whichever option you like.

That actually means everything.

[CobraCommander]

Both of their Game 1s vs. the Warriors this playoffs

Luka: 6/18, 20 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 7 turnovers, +16
Tatum: 3/17, 12 points, 5 rebounds, 13 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 2 turnovers, -30

Uh so you saying the GSWs neutralize both guys scoring in game one of a series and Tatums team won and Lukas didn’t....proves nothing except that these guys are again closer that people want to admit

[mabundo_nagumbe]

Both of their Game 1s vs. the Warriors this playoffs

Luka: 6/18, 20 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 7 turnovers, +16
Tatum: 3/17, 12 points, 5 rebounds, 13 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 2 turnovers, -30

Uh so you saying the GSWs neutralize both guys scoring in game one of a series and Tatums team won and Lukas didn’t....proves nothing except that these guys are again closer that people want to admit

Or, And also, Tatum's teammates are more talented

[nikster]

Guarded 82 partial possessions, let up just 10 points on 3/10 shooting

35.8% of those partial possessions was him guarding Draymond Green who was 1/3 and 16% was vs Klay who was 1/4. The next guy was Steph, Tatum guarded him 15% of time and was 1/2.

Tatum defense resulted in players shooting 3/10 vs him but he also contested only 6 shots and had 0 box outs. So 4 of those 3/10 was basically misses with Tatum being as the closest defender.

He had 3 deflections but still wasn't teams highest. Smart, Horford, Williams by all statistical measures did a better job on defense than Tatum and spent more time guarding GSW best players. There is even a great argument that Derrick White was better than Tatum on defense. Him guarding Steph forced Steph to shoot 2/6 directly vs him.

But at the end Tatum did good. That's true.

..he held the ball for less than 5 sec most plays - he kept the ball moving.

Why does that even matter? Look at the all around production from Celtics, they can afford to do that because they have a versatile roster.
Even though Luka had the highest seconds per touch, he still produced 0.35 points compared to Tatum 0.32 in the playoffs. If anything, Tatum should hold the ball more then, or be more efficient, pick whichever option you like.

That actually means everything.

Why? If it doesn't lead to better offense or better results it's pretty meaningless. Luka generates more open looks for his team then Tatum

[nikster]

Guarded 82 partial possessions, let up just 10 points on 3/10 shooting

35.8% of those partial possessions was him guarding Draymond Green who was 1/3 and 16% was vs Klay who was 1/4. The next guy was Steph, Tatum guarded him 15% of time and was 1/2.

Tatum defense resulted in players shooting 3/10 vs him but he also contested only 6 shots and had 0 box outs. So 4 of those 3/10 was basically misses with Tatum being as the closest defender.

He had 3 deflections but still wasn't teams highest. Smart, Horford, Williams by all statistical measures did a better job on defense than Tatum and spent more time guarding GSW best players. There is even a great argument that Derrick White was better than Tatum on defense. Him guarding Steph forced Steph to shoot 2/6 directly vs him.

But at the end Tatum did good. That's true.

..he held the ball for less than 5 sec most plays - he kept the ball moving.

Why does that even matter? Look at the all around production from Celtics, they can afford to do that because they have a versatile roster.
Even though Luka had the highest seconds per touch, he still produced 0.35 points compared to Tatum 0.32 in the playoffs. If anything, Tatum should hold the ball more then, or be more efficient, pick whichever option you like.

That actually means everything.

Why? If it doesn't lead to better offense or better results it's pretty meaningless. Luka generates more open looks for his team then Tatum, and scores more effectively on larger volume.

Tatum also has the luxury of multiple smart players with passing or ball handling at every position.

[Jkam31]

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Your troll game is a disgrace go back to the drawing board

[Archx]

Guarded 82 partial possessions, let up just 10 points on 3/10 shooting

35.8% of those partial possessions was him guarding Draymond Green who was 1/3 and 16% was vs Klay who was 1/4. The next guy was Steph, Tatum guarded him 15% of time and was 1/2.

Tatum defense resulted in players shooting 3/10 vs him but he also contested only 6 shots and had 0 box outs. So 4 of those 3/10 was basically misses with Tatum being as the closest defender.

He had 3 deflections but still wasn't teams highest. Smart, Horford, Williams by all statistical measures did a better job on defense than Tatum and spent more time guarding GSW best players. There is even a great argument that Derrick White was better than Tatum on defense. Him guarding Steph forced Steph to shoot 2/6 directly vs him.

But at the end Tatum did good. That's true.

..he held the ball for less than 5 sec most plays - he kept the ball moving.

Why does that even matter? Look at the all around production from Celtics, they can afford to do that because they have a versatile roster.
Even though Luka had the highest seconds per touch, he still produced 0.35 points compared to Tatum 0.32 in the playoffs. If anything, Tatum should hold the ball more then, or be more efficient, pick whichever option you like.

That actually means everything.

If you can come up with a reply that consists of statistical analysis and proven eye test, i will agree with you. But that has to be a head to head comparison between how Mavs play and how Celtics play. Also it needs to include other players on the roster and what this does to them. If you can't do that you're basically saying "Trust me bro' because i said so".

I already gave an example in the Jokic thread why Luka holding the ball results in Mavs playing better let's see if you can dispute that. And i even a copied an article directly from ESPN explaining why "Luka ball" is insanely more effective and efficient than the same offense that Harden used. (Since people love comparing these two). And we all know how you love calling him a ball hog.

[3toheadmelo]

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Your troll game is a disgrace go back to the drawing board

Sorry that you aren't into winning basketball that includes defense. Can't relate man. Maybe one day you'll see the light instead of just making posts with zero substance.

[SelfishPlayer]

Guarded 82 partial possessions, let up just 10 points on 3/10 shooting

35.8% of those partial possessions was him guarding Draymond Green who was 1/3 and 16% was vs Klay who was 1/4. The next guy was Steph, Tatum guarded him 15% of time and was 1/2.

Tatum defense resulted in players shooting 3/10 vs him but he also contested only 6 shots and had 0 box outs. So 4 of those 3/10 was basically misses with Tatum being as the closest defender.

He had 3 deflections but still wasn't teams highest. Smart, Horford, Williams by all statistical measures did a better job on defense than Tatum and spent more time guarding GSW best players. There is even a great argument that Derrick White was better than Tatum on defense. Him guarding Steph forced Steph to shoot 2/6 directly vs him.

But at the end Tatum did good. That's true.



Why does that even matter? Look at the all around production from Celtics, they can afford to do that because they have a versatile roster.
Even though Luka had the highest seconds per touch, he still produced 0.35 points compared to Tatum 0.32 in the playoffs. If anything, Tatum should hold the ball more then, or be more efficient, pick whichever option you like.

That actually means everything.

Why? If it doesn't lead to better offense or better results it's pretty meaningless. Luka generates more open looks for his team then Tatum

Hero ball without defense from the hero is not a championship formula.

[SelfishPlayer]

Guarded 82 partial possessions, let up just 10 points on 3/10 shooting

35.8% of those partial possessions was him guarding Draymond Green who was 1/3 and 16% was vs Klay who was 1/4. The next guy was Steph, Tatum guarded him 15% of time and was 1/2.

Tatum defense resulted in players shooting 3/10 vs him but he also contested only 6 shots and had 0 box outs. So 4 of those 3/10 was basically misses with Tatum being as the closest defender.

He had 3 deflections but still wasn't teams highest. Smart, Horford, Williams by all statistical measures did a better job on defense than Tatum and spent more time guarding GSW best players. There is even a great argument that Derrick White was better than Tatum on defense. Him guarding Steph forced Steph to shoot 2/6 directly vs him.

But at the end Tatum did good. That's true.



Why does that even matter? Look at the all around production from Celtics, they can afford to do that because they have a versatile roster.
Even though Luka had the highest seconds per touch, he still produced 0.35 points compared to Tatum 0.32 in the playoffs. If anything, Tatum should hold the ball more then, or be more efficient, pick whichever option you like.

That actually means everything.

If you can come up with a reply that consists of statistical analysis and proven eye test, i will agree with you. But that has to be a head to head comparison between how Mavs play and how Celtics play. Also it needs to include other players on the roster and what this does to them. If you can't do that you're basically saying "Trust me bro' because i said so".

I already gave an example in the Jokic thread why Luka holding the ball results in Mavs playing better let's see if you can dispute that. And i even a copied an article directly from ESPN explaining why "Luka ball" is insanely more effective and efficient than the same offense that Harden used. (Since people love comparing these two). And we all know how you love calling him a ball hog.

Luka's on/off vs Tatum's.