Who do you want us to take at #1?

[BadMofoPimp]

Franz is pretty crafty especially with a pick.

The bottom line is there is no identifiable star in this draft that you can point to and has everything we need. Paolo is probably the best pure scorer but has some shooting concern as well as defensive concerns. Will get buckets but at what cost? Jabari is an elite shooter and is active on defense and seems like the most "modern" of them all, but has the highest percentage to cap out as just a 2nd or 3rd guy. Chet is the gamble pick that could either bring huge fortunes to the team or set us back terribly if his game doesn't translate and he can't hang with the bigs in the league because of his size and frame. His game seems the most awkward to me but also the most intriguing.

i think Chet also is someone that cap's out as the 3rd guy, at least offensively. i dont see a lot of games where they gave him the ball and he went and got a bucket. Many of his were transition or garbage/rebound scores. Now, maybe he can do more of that and it was the result of playing with Timme who could get his shot. The scouts will have to figure that out.

Chet got a crazy percentage of his points in transition and that won't happen in the NBA. That's probably why he struggled shooting against top teams because they get back on defense. I think he'll be borderline unplayable in playoff-type games.

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NBA talent and especially size will be a far cry from college kids for any 7 footer.

[OrlChamps2030]

Not only on Jabari but hopefully with Paolo and Ivey as well.

The case for Paolo Banchero

https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/orlandos-decision-the-case-for-paolo

Of all three top options in this draft, Paolo Banchero is the clear candidate to fit in that Tatum or Doncic offensive engine role. Smith has flaws with rim pressure, and Chet is much more of a defensive-minded prospect than a one-on-one creator. Yet Banchero, as a teenager at Duke, averaged 17-8-3 while shooting 48% from the field and playing out of isolation a ton.

Banchero is big and strong at 6’10”, with a Ferrari engine inside a caravan body. His ball handling is sensationally polished for someone his size, allowing him to get to his spots on the interior like few can. Defenders fly off his left shoulder when he drives to his right. He stops and pivots off two feet without getting bumped off his spots. He is athletic enough to get up over the top of guys and slam it home. Banchero had 23 “and one” buckets this year — his ability to score and play through contact is tailor-made for postseason success.


Put Banchero in different areas on the court with the ball in his hands and he’ll thrive. He’s meant to be a 4 in the modern NBA, so the location he’s effective in will largely be determined by who opponents use to guard him. Put a smaller and weaker primary defender on Paolo and he’ll head into the post. Banchero’s wide shoulders, controlled bounce, feel for quick spins and turnaround jumper give him a complete and well-rounded arsenal for scoring one-on-one. He was 35-78 (45%) on post-ups this year, and created 1.103 PPP on his kickout passes to teammates.

Paolo has a reputation of being a more cerebral, slow-down attacker. Some call him a “ball stop”, meaning when the rock gets moving to find the open guy, he catches and slows down that momentum, preferring to collect himself, read the defense and make the right decision from there. For star players, that’s really not a horrible trait (it can be really infuriating for role players to do that, though). Luka Doncic has some ball stop tendencies, and very few Mavericks fans would complain about that.

Put a bigger guy on Paolo, or at least a true 4-man strong enough in the post 1v1, and the opportunities for his inclusion in the offense are endless. Banchero’s favorite scoring spots are around the elbows right now. He’s a mid-range assassin, loves to get there on dribble pull-ups and has both a high release and unorthodox cadence on his jumper that makes him difficult to contest. The threat of getting to the rim (where he’s finishing at a 58% clip) with his bevy of patient dribble moves forces defenders to back off him, so the jumper and driving work together to make him impossible to guard one-on-one.

Banchero loves elbow isolations to get to those spots. His jab steps, rips, polished footwork and tough shot-making are insanely rare for his age. Banchero scored 114 points in isolations this year, more than any forward in this draft class. He also generated free throw attempts 12.5% of the time in those isolations — his propensity to get to the charity stripe needs to be discussed in his game.

The handling ability allows other aspects of his game to open up. Banchero can run and operate big-to-big or inverted big-little pick-and-rolls. He got about one a game at Duke, and they can be a major part of his offensive package at the next level. The underrated part of Paolo’s game is his passing and feel. When he’s double-teamed, he makes the right kicks. He was excellent at punishing teams for helping uphill off Mark Williams, his center in the dunker spot. He throws one-foot or two-foot cross-court passes.

More than just the ability, Banchero likes to create for others. Drafting him into a primary creation role means entrusting him to be more than just a black hole scorer. That’s a lot on the plate for a teenager, but Paolo thrives and relishes in the role. He finished the season getting so much more comfortable in breaking down defenses, too. He averaged 3.8 assists over his final 24 games, and 4.2 assists over his final 11.

[Bensational]

We're going to get a solid piece out of any of Chet, Jabari or Paolo. I'm not confident any of them project to be a championship go-to guy, but they all have the potential to be a top 2 or 3 piece. We're only 1.5 years into this rebuild, and we've got:

WCJr - 6'10 C/PF, can bang down low on both ends, plays smart and makes the extra pass, can hit from deep.
Franz - 6'10 wing who can play on ball, hit from deep, and defend the perimeter.
Suggs - Combo guard with elite defence. He has a team first mindset, so I'm confident his playmaking will come in. Just needs to improve the shooting.
Fultz - Elite ballhandling, good strength when driving into a crowd, has a strong midrange game and can defend well at times.

Potential Bonus - Isaac - elite defender, if he can get back on the court.

What does each player add to that?

Chet - defensive anchor, covers the perimeter and interior help D. Offensively can do everything, and most often makes the smart play. Add him to WCJR, Franz, Suggs, Fultz and you'll have a lineup of team-first players who will improve others on the court.

Jabari - 3pt gunner and shotmaker, can defend the perimeter at a high level. Add him to the lineup above and he will create spacing with his gravity, and hit shots as the others playmake on-ball or make the extra pass and kick it out to him. He'll take the big shots in the crunch, and has shown he can make them.

Paolo - Ball-dominant iso-scorer, not a strong defender. He's not the cleanest fit with our guards, but he should fit with the front court. Could be the bucket getter when the offensive stalls and we need someone to go create.

I'm pumped for any of these three to be drafted by us, and won't be upset for passing on any of them because I don't have a standout favourite.

[basketballRob]

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[Nyce_1]

Can anyone look up past Vegas odds on #1 pick, 3 weeks before the draft?

[jezzerinho]

Not only on Jabari but hopefully with Paolo and Ivey as well.

The case for Paolo Banchero

https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/orlandos-decision-the-case-for-paolo

Of all three top options in this draft, Paolo Banchero is the clear candidate to fit in that Tatum or Doncic offensive engine role. Smith has flaws with rim pressure, and Chet is much more of a defensive-minded prospect than a one-on-one creator. Yet Banchero, as a teenager at Duke, averaged 17-8-3 while shooting 48% from the field and playing out of isolation a ton.

Banchero is big and strong at 6’10”, with a Ferrari engine inside a caravan body. His ball handling is sensationally polished for someone his size, allowing him to get to his spots on the interior like few can. Defenders fly off his left shoulder when he drives to his right. He stops and pivots off two feet without getting bumped off his spots. He is athletic enough to get up over the top of guys and slam it home. Banchero had 23 “and one” buckets this year — his ability to score and play through contact is tailor-made for postseason success.


Put Banchero in different areas on the court with the ball in his hands and he’ll thrive. He’s meant to be a 4 in the modern NBA, so the location he’s effective in will largely be determined by who opponents use to guard him. Put a smaller and weaker primary defender on Paolo and he’ll head into the post. Banchero’s wide shoulders, controlled bounce, feel for quick spins and turnaround jumper give him a complete and well-rounded arsenal for scoring one-on-one. He was 35-78 (45%) on post-ups this year, and created 1.103 PPP on his kickout passes to teammates.

Paolo has a reputation of being a more cerebral, slow-down attacker. Some call him a “ball stop”, meaning when the rock gets moving to find the open guy, he catches and slows down that momentum, preferring to collect himself, read the defense and make the right decision from there. For star players, that’s really not a horrible trait (it can be really infuriating for role players to do that, though). Luka Doncic has some ball stop tendencies, and very few Mavericks fans would complain about that.

Put a bigger guy on Paolo, or at least a true 4-man strong enough in the post 1v1, and the opportunities for his inclusion in the offense are endless. Banchero’s favorite scoring spots are around the elbows right now. He’s a mid-range assassin, loves to get there on dribble pull-ups and has both a high release and unorthodox cadence on his jumper that makes him difficult to contest. The threat of getting to the rim (where he’s finishing at a 58% clip) with his bevy of patient dribble moves forces defenders to back off him, so the jumper and driving work together to make him impossible to guard one-on-one.

Banchero loves elbow isolations to get to those spots. His jab steps, rips, polished footwork and tough shot-making are insanely rare for his age. Banchero scored 114 points in isolations this year, more than any forward in this draft class. He also generated free throw attempts 12.5% of the time in those isolations — his propensity to get to the charity stripe needs to be discussed in his game.

The handling ability allows other aspects of his game to open up. Banchero can run and operate big-to-big or inverted big-little pick-and-rolls. He got about one a game at Duke, and they can be a major part of his offensive package at the next level. The underrated part of Paolo’s game is his passing and feel. When he’s double-teamed, he makes the right kicks. He was excellent at punishing teams for helping uphill off Mark Williams, his center in the dunker spot. He throws one-foot or two-foot cross-court passes.

More than just the ability, Banchero likes to create for others. Drafting him into a primary creation role means entrusting him to be more than just a black hole scorer. That’s a lot on the plate for a teenager, but Paolo thrives and relishes in the role. He finished the season getting so much more comfortable in breaking down defenses, too. He averaged 3.8 assists over his final 24 games, and 4.2 assists over his final 11.

I'm fully on board.with Paolo's offensive game. I'm more bullish than consensus that he can be a first-option scorer ona playoff team at an efficient level.

But a lot will depend on coaching and team environment if he's to reach that potential and take equal pride on the defensive side. This is where fit comes in. I hope Orl could be a place where inefficient play and poor defence is held to account but with a young coach, baby core of players and the experience of the past year, i wonder....

But that shouldn't frighten the FO. If they really believe in Paolo, the future need to reshape the team and maybe even the coaching ticket shouldn't be a reason not to go for it. That's how important getting a star is.

If Paolo is a future star, of course.

[89Magicfan]

We're going to get a solid piece out of any of Chet, Jabari or Paolo. I'm not confident any of them project to be a championship go-to guy, but they all have the potential to be a top 2 or 3 piece. We're only 1.5 years into this rebuild, and we've got:

WCJr - 6'10 C/PF, can bang down low on both ends, plays smart and makes the extra pass, can hit from deep.
Franz - 6'10 wing who can play on ball, hit from deep, and defend the perimeter.
Suggs - Combo guard with elite defence. He has a team first mindset, so I'm confident his playmaking will come in. Just needs to improve the shooting.
Fultz - Elite ballhandling, good strength when driving into a crowd, has a strong midrange game and can defend well at times.

Potential Bonus - Isaac - elite defender, if he can get back on the court.

What does each player add to that?

Chet - defensive anchor, covers the perimeter and interior help D. Offensively can do everything, and most often makes the smart play. Add him to WCJR, Franz, Suggs, Fultz and you'll have a lineup of team-first players who will improve others on the court.

Jabari - 3pt gunner and shotmaker, can defend the perimeter at a high level. Add him to the lineup above and he will create spacing with his gravity, and hit shots as the others playmake on-ball or make the extra pass and kick it out to him. He'll take the big shots in the crunch, and has shown he can make them.

Paolo - Ball-dominant iso-scorer, not a strong defender. He's not the cleanest fit with our guards, but he should fit with the front court. Could be the bucket getter when the offensive stalls and we need someone to go create.

I'm pumped for any of these three to be drafted by us, and won't be upset for passing on any of them because I don't have a standout favourite.

We got the first pick. It’s taken a long time to get it. Likelihood we get it again anytime soon is very slim. What happened in history was an anomaly. We can’t f this up.

[basketballRob]

Wendell just posted a pic of Atlanta on his IG. Maybe he's out there recruiting Jabari?

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[MagicTownBaller]

Can anyone look up past Vegas odds on #1 pick, 3 weeks before the draft?

NBA NO. 1 DRAFT HISTORY (ODDS)

2021 - Cade Cunningham (-8000)
2020 - Anthony Edwards (-125)
2019 - Zion Williamson (-2500)
2018 - Deandre Ayton (-2500)
2017 - Markelle Fultz (-750)
2016 - Ben Simmons (-650)
2015 - Karl-Anthony Towns (-200)
2014 - Andrew Wiggins (-250)
2013 - Anthony Bennett (+500)

From VegasaInsider

[tiderulz]

Not only on Jabari but hopefully with Paolo and Ivey as well.

The case for Paolo Banchero

https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/orlandos-decision-the-case-for-paolo

Of all three top options in this draft, Paolo Banchero is the clear candidate to fit in that Tatum or Doncic offensive engine role. Smith has flaws with rim pressure, and Chet is much more of a defensive-minded prospect than a one-on-one creator. Yet Banchero, as a teenager at Duke, averaged 17-8-3 while shooting 48% from the field and playing out of isolation a ton.

Banchero is big and strong at 6’10”, with a Ferrari engine inside a caravan body. His ball handling is sensationally polished for someone his size, allowing him to get to his spots on the interior like few can. Defenders fly off his left shoulder when he drives to his right. He stops and pivots off two feet without getting bumped off his spots. He is athletic enough to get up over the top of guys and slam it home. Banchero had 23 “and one” buckets this year — his ability to score and play through contact is tailor-made for postseason success.


Put Banchero in different areas on the court with the ball in his hands and he’ll thrive. He’s meant to be a 4 in the modern NBA, so the location he’s effective in will largely be determined by who opponents use to guard him. Put a smaller and weaker primary defender on Paolo and he’ll head into the post. Banchero’s wide shoulders, controlled bounce, feel for quick spins and turnaround jumper give him a complete and well-rounded arsenal for scoring one-on-one. He was 35-78 (45%) on post-ups this year, and created 1.103 PPP on his kickout passes to teammates.

Paolo has a reputation of being a more cerebral, slow-down attacker. Some call him a “ball stop”, meaning when the rock gets moving to find the open guy, he catches and slows down that momentum, preferring to collect himself, read the defense and make the right decision from there. For star players, that’s really not a horrible trait (it can be really infuriating for role players to do that, though). Luka Doncic has some ball stop tendencies, and very few Mavericks fans would complain about that.

Put a bigger guy on Paolo, or at least a true 4-man strong enough in the post 1v1, and the opportunities for his inclusion in the offense are endless. Banchero’s favorite scoring spots are around the elbows right now. He’s a mid-range assassin, loves to get there on dribble pull-ups and has both a high release and unorthodox cadence on his jumper that makes him difficult to contest. The threat of getting to the rim (where he’s finishing at a 58% clip) with his bevy of patient dribble moves forces defenders to back off him, so the jumper and driving work together to make him impossible to guard one-on-one.

Banchero loves elbow isolations to get to those spots. His jab steps, rips, polished footwork and tough shot-making are insanely rare for his age. Banchero scored 114 points in isolations this year, more than any forward in this draft class. He also generated free throw attempts 12.5% of the time in those isolations — his propensity to get to the charity stripe needs to be discussed in his game.

The handling ability allows other aspects of his game to open up. Banchero can run and operate big-to-big or inverted big-little pick-and-rolls. He got about one a game at Duke, and they can be a major part of his offensive package at the next level. The underrated part of Paolo’s game is his passing and feel. When he’s double-teamed, he makes the right kicks. He was excellent at punishing teams for helping uphill off Mark Williams, his center in the dunker spot. He throws one-foot or two-foot cross-court passes.

More than just the ability, Banchero likes to create for others. Drafting him into a primary creation role means entrusting him to be more than just a black hole scorer. That’s a lot on the plate for a teenager, but Paolo thrives and relishes in the role. He finished the season getting so much more comfortable in breaking down defenses, too. He averaged 3.8 assists over his final 24 games, and 4.2 assists over his final 11.

I'm fully on board.with Paolo's offensive game. I'm more bullish than consensus that he can be a first-option scorer ona playoff team at an efficient level.

But a lot will depend on coaching and team environment if he's to reach that potential and take equal pride on the defensive side. This is where fit comes in. I hope Orl could be a place where inefficient play and poor defence is held to account but with a young coach, baby core of players and the experience of the past year, i wonder....

But that shouldn't frighten the FO. If they really believe in Paolo, the future need to reshape the team and maybe even the coaching ticket shouldn't be a reason not to go for it. That's how important getting a star is.

If Paolo is a future star, of course.

im not as worried about the defense part of Paolo. with effort, he can become passable at worst. There are many teams that have success that have a player or 2 that arent great defensive stars. With Wagner, Suggs, maybe Isaac (though not counting on that), and we can pick up a defensive center. to me its, can Paolo improve his 3 pt shot and can he play efficiently. Luka is a pretty bad defender, and was worse from 3 pt range. Donovan Mitchell is pretty bad on defense. Morant really isnt that great a defender. Jokic was a sieve on defense. Curry gets picked on a lot on defense. you can build a team to limit the damage done with defense from other people. Ive seen more people learn to be passable on defense than defensive stars that couldnt shoot and ended up never improving.

[basketballRob]

Jabari up to -599. Paolo is closing on Chet.

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[tiderulz]

Jabari up to -599. Paolo is closing on Chet.

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wait until the big boys come thru Orlando. those odds will change hourly

[MagicTownBaller]

I like Jabari but I still feel Holmgren is the right pick

[thelead]

I like Jabari but I still feel Holmgren is the right pick

I like Chet a ton... I just don't trust his jumper fully. His FT% worries me and I'm not sure about how great his handle will translate in the pros. His frame and injury concerns are not issues to me.

The truth is, we don't know which of these guys will end up being the best player 5 years from now. It's a guessing game.

[ucfmay2000]

Based on Orlando draft history, I think Chet will be the one.

[dsg2021]

This unique analysis I am about to mention sounds really counter-intuitive and I don't know how much, if at all, it should factor into a final decision making process.. but it'd be really, really interesting to run "worst case scenario analysis's".

For example, Jabari loses his shooting touch into the NBA and can never learn to pass well, but still makes 34% on 3PM with good defense.
Chet also loses his shooting touch, gets bullied, and gets injury prone, but he can still anchor the defense somewhat and still pass well.
Meanwhile, Paolo is a jumpshot away from permanent All Star status, but then he still can't shoot well nor defend well.

[basketballRob]

Jake Fischer spoke with Jabari's representatives and they think he's going to the Magic but don't know for sure.

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[MagicTownBaller]

Jake Fischer spoke with Jabari's representatives and they think he's going to the Magic but don't know for sure.

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Earlier in the year I wanted Jabari so bad when so much info was coming out about him, so I will be happy. Honestly I'm happy with any of the top 4

[RookieStar]

Not only on Jabari but hopefully with Paolo and Ivey as well.

The case for Paolo Banchero

https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/orlandos-decision-the-case-for-paolo

Of all three top options in this draft, Paolo Banchero is the clear candidate to fit in that Tatum or Doncic offensive engine role. Smith has flaws with rim pressure, and Chet is much more of a defensive-minded prospect than a one-on-one creator. Yet Banchero, as a teenager at Duke, averaged 17-8-3 while shooting 48% from the field and playing out of isolation a ton.

Banchero is big and strong at 6’10”, with a Ferrari engine inside a caravan body. His ball handling is sensationally polished for someone his size, allowing him to get to his spots on the interior like few can. Defenders fly off his left shoulder when he drives to his right. He stops and pivots off two feet without getting bumped off his spots. He is athletic enough to get up over the top of guys and slam it home. Banchero had 23 “and one” buckets this year — his ability to score and play through contact is tailor-made for postseason success.


Put Banchero in different areas on the court with the ball in his hands and he’ll thrive. He’s meant to be a 4 in the modern NBA, so the location he’s effective in will largely be determined by who opponents use to guard him. Put a smaller and weaker primary defender on Paolo and he’ll head into the post. Banchero’s wide shoulders, controlled bounce, feel for quick spins and turnaround jumper give him a complete and well-rounded arsenal for scoring one-on-one. He was 35-78 (45%) on post-ups this year, and created 1.103 PPP on his kickout passes to teammates.

Paolo has a reputation of being a more cerebral, slow-down attacker. Some call him a “ball stop”, meaning when the rock gets moving to find the open guy, he catches and slows down that momentum, preferring to collect himself, read the defense and make the right decision from there. For star players, that’s really not a horrible trait (it can be really infuriating for role players to do that, though). Luka Doncic has some ball stop tendencies, and very few Mavericks fans would complain about that.

Put a bigger guy on Paolo, or at least a true 4-man strong enough in the post 1v1, and the opportunities for his inclusion in the offense are endless. Banchero’s favorite scoring spots are around the elbows right now. He’s a mid-range assassin, loves to get there on dribble pull-ups and has both a high release and unorthodox cadence on his jumper that makes him difficult to contest. The threat of getting to the rim (where he’s finishing at a 58% clip) with his bevy of patient dribble moves forces defenders to back off him, so the jumper and driving work together to make him impossible to guard one-on-one.

Banchero loves elbow isolations to get to those spots. His jab steps, rips, polished footwork and tough shot-making are insanely rare for his age. Banchero scored 114 points in isolations this year, more than any forward in this draft class. He also generated free throw attempts 12.5% of the time in those isolations — his propensity to get to the charity stripe needs to be discussed in his game.

The handling ability allows other aspects of his game to open up. Banchero can run and operate big-to-big or inverted big-little pick-and-rolls. He got about one a game at Duke, and they can be a major part of his offensive package at the next level. The underrated part of Paolo’s game is his passing and feel. When he’s double-teamed, he makes the right kicks. He was excellent at punishing teams for helping uphill off Mark Williams, his center in the dunker spot. He throws one-foot or two-foot cross-court passes.

More than just the ability, Banchero likes to create for others. Drafting him into a primary creation role means entrusting him to be more than just a black hole scorer. That’s a lot on the plate for a teenager, but Paolo thrives and relishes in the role. He finished the season getting so much more comfortable in breaking down defenses, too. He averaged 3.8 assists over his final 24 games, and 4.2 assists over his final 11.

Wow. Thanks.

Yup, fully agree with all of those info. Of the top-3 Paolo is probably the most offensively gifted to them all. However, on the surface he does look like he is the one closes to his ceiling right now. Hopefully once in the league he loses 10lbs so he can move better and change his comparison from Melo to Tatum. LOL

[basketballRob]

Jabari won MVP at the Pangos tournament that included Chet and Paolo.

https://nbnmagazine.com/2020-pangos-all-american-festival-recap-south-team/

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