Tatum VS Luka

[nikster]

That actually means everything.

Why? If it doesn't lead to better offense or better results it's pretty meaningless. Luka generates more open looks for his team then Tatum

Hero ball without defense from the hero is not a championship formula.

Okay well we are talking impact on offense. So again, why does it "mean everything" that Tatum holds the ball less when the Celtics offense isnt any better, or he isnt generating any better look for the team?

[SelfishPlayer]

Why? If it doesn't lead to better offense or better results it's pretty meaningless. Luka generates more open looks for his team then Tatum

Hero ball without defense from the hero is not a championship formula.

Okay well we are talking impact on offense. So again, why does it "mean everything" that Tatum holds the ball less when the Celtics offense isnt any better, or he isnt generating any better look for the team?

Championship teams move the ball, no?

[nikster]

Hero ball without defense from the hero is not a championship formula.

Okay well we are talking impact on offense. So again, why does it "mean everything" that Tatum holds the ball less when the Celtics offense isnt any better, or he isnt generating any better look for the team?

Championship teams move the ball, no?

Championship teams generate good looks consistently. That can be with ball movement or a star player creating an advantage, or a combination.

[SelfishPlayer]

Okay well we are talking impact on offense. So again, why does it "mean everything" that Tatum holds the ball less when the Celtics offense isnt any better, or he isnt generating any better look for the team?

Championship teams move the ball, no?

Championship teams generate good looks consistently. That can be with ball movement or a star player creating an advantage, or a combination.

What championship team played hero ball with a defensive liability hero?

[CraftylikeaFox]

Championship teams move the ball, no?

Championship teams generate good looks consistently. That can be with ball movement or a star player creating an advantage, or a combination.

What championship team played hero ball with a defensive liability hero?

You're reaaaaaaaaaallllllyyyyyy spending a lot of time trying to push your Luka agenda. You've been at this constantly for days lol. Take a break my guy.

[ITYSL]

Both of their Game 1s vs. the Warriors this playoffs

Luka: 6/18, 20 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 7 turnovers, +16
Tatum: 3/17, 12 points, 5 rebounds, 13 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 2 turnovers, -30

Uh so you saying the GSWs neutralize both guys scoring in game one of a series and Tatums team won and Lukas didn’t....proves nothing except that these guys are again closer that people want to admit

I guess my only real point is that both guys had their struggles in Game 1 vs. GSW, and so using Tatum's scoring line from last night to somehow argue against him in this discussion (which is what happened when this thread was bumped last night) doesn't make much sense.

I do feel like some people arguing for Luka have something of a double standard. If Luka has a great scoring night or has a lot of assists, it's because he's a great scorer or a great playmaker. But if Tatum has 13 assists, it's just because his teammates are awesome, and not because Tatum was drawing doubles all night and making the right reads to the open man. Tatum's scoring struggles last night were his own, nobody else's. He shot it horribly, but still positively affected the game with his playmaking and defense.

[MavfanAus]

Championship teams generate good looks consistently. That can be with ball movement or a star player creating an advantage, or a combination.

What championship team played hero ball with a defensive liability hero?

You're reaaaaaaaaaallllllyyyyyy spending a lot of time trying to push your Luka agenda. You've been at this constantly for days lol. Take a break my guy.

You ain't wrong

I'm starting to think Luka went balls deep in his missus.

[3toheadmelo]

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[iLLmatic860]

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Swap Luka for Tatum on Mavs. Do you think he still has most assists and points?

[Jkam31]

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Swap Luka for Tatum on Mavs. Do you think he still has most assists and points?

That clown already answered the question he said somehow Boston would get worse by adding a better player who brings the playmaking they lack

[3toheadmelo]

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Swap Luka for Tatum on Mavs. Do you think he still has most assists and points?

Yep

[3toheadmelo]

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Swap Luka for Tatum on Mavs. Do you think he still has most assists and points?

That clown already answered the question he said somehow Boston would get worse by adding a better player who brings the playmaking they lack

Seems like you have nothing to add to the convo instead of personal insults. Pretty sad and you continue to embarass yourself.

[3toheadmelo]

Both of their Game 1s vs. the Warriors this playoffs

Luka: 6/18, 20 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 7 turnovers, +16
Tatum: 3/17, 12 points, 5 rebounds, 13 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 2 turnovers, -30

Uh so you saying the GSWs neutralize both guys scoring in game one of a series and Tatums team won and Lukas didn’t....proves nothing except that these guys are again closer that people want to admit

I guess my only real point is that both guys had their struggles in Game 1 vs. GSW, and so using Tatum's scoring line from last night to somehow argue against him in this discussion (which is what happened when this thread was bumped last night) doesn't make much sense.

I do feel like some people arguing for Luka have something of a double standard. If Luka has a great scoring night or has a lot of assists, it's because he's a great scorer or a great playmaker. But if Tatum has 13 assists, it's just because his teammates are awesome, and not because Tatum was drawing doubles all night and making the right reads to the open man. Tatum's scoring struggles last night were his own, nobody else's. He shot it horribly, but still positively affected the game with his playmaking and defense.

Yeah some of the people in this thread think this happens because his "teamates are awesome". He's made excellent reads and deserves all the credit for that.

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[Bob8]

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What a shocker. Boston playing more games than anyone else. Here you have averages.

https://www.nba.com/stats/leaders/

[Archx]

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Uh so you saying the GSWs neutralize both guys scoring in game one of a series and Tatums team won and Lukas didn’t....proves nothing except that these guys are again closer that people want to admit

I guess my only real point is that both guys had their struggles in Game 1 vs. GSW, and so using Tatum's scoring line from last night to somehow argue against him in this discussion (which is what happened when this thread was bumped last night) doesn't make much sense.

I do feel like some people arguing for Luka have something of a double standard. If Luka has a great scoring night or has a lot of assists, it's because he's a great scorer or a great playmaker. But if Tatum has 13 assists, it's just because his teammates are awesome, and not because Tatum was drawing doubles all night and making the right reads to the open man. Tatum's scoring struggles last night were his own, nobody else's. He shot it horribly, but still positively affected the game with his playmaking and defense.

Yeah some of the people in this thread think this happens because his "teamates are awesome". He's made excellent reads and deserves all the credit for that.

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This is a good post and shows Tatum's improvement of reading defenses. But i'm shocked GSW didn't change anything from Mavs matchup.

[3toheadmelo]

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I guess my only real point is that both guys had their struggles in Game 1 vs. GSW, and so using Tatum's scoring line from last night to somehow argue against him in this discussion (which is what happened when this thread was bumped last night) doesn't make much sense.

I do feel like some people arguing for Luka have something of a double standard. If Luka has a great scoring night or has a lot of assists, it's because he's a great scorer or a great playmaker. But if Tatum has 13 assists, it's just because his teammates are awesome, and not because Tatum was drawing doubles all night and making the right reads to the open man. Tatum's scoring struggles last night were his own, nobody else's. He shot it horribly, but still positively affected the game with his playmaking and defense.

Yeah some of the people in this thread think this happens because his "teamates are awesome". He's made excellent reads and deserves all the credit for that.

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This is a good post and shows Tatum's improvement of reading defenses. But i'm shocked GSW didn't change anything from Mavs matchup.

Yeah and one of the announcers said Tatum was studying how Golden State guarded Luka. Looks like it worked out because they didn't do much differently on Tatum too. Will be interesting to see if they switch things up

[LBJKB24MJ23]

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player who has the most games played leads the playoffs in points and assists.

[Bob8]

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player who has the most games played leads the playoffs in points and assists.

Luka being second with 4 games and only 23 points less.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

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player who has the most games played leads the playoffs in points and assists.

Luka being second with 4 games and only 23 points less.

Luka is obviously a better player. its not even close.

[BodieB]

I keep seeing posts talking about swapping the two and how Luka would be in the same position if he was on the Celtics, but that logic is flawed. One the biggest strengths of the current team, and the reason they're in the finals is the ability to switch on defense. The whole defensive system breaks down with Luka in place of Tatum. Now, would the increase in offensive output mitigate the loss of defense? Maybe, but it's not an absolute.