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Re: Darvin Ham is the next lakers coach. 

Post#41 » by LAL1947 » Fri Jun 3, 2022 1:57 am

sonnyhill wrote:Trading LeBron for draft capital and expiring contracts would makes sense; however, Jeanie has publicly stated that she wants to see LeBron in a Laker uniform breaking the NBA all-time scoring record. Your suggestion of trading LeBron away makes sense from a "rebuilding the roster" standpoint; yet, Jeanie is more concerned about having records broken by players wearing a Laker uniform than building a winning team. Her behavior is disgraceful!

Way to take a casual statement Jeanie made to show support for Lebron's endeavor and blow it way out of proportion.

Shouldn't you be finding fault with Lebron instead, for trying to pass Kareem even at the expense of playing defense?

sonnyhill wrote:The Lakers are a Klutch team with LeBron, AD, Executive Assistant Randy Mims, Coach Ham all part of the organization. The Lakers owe Klutch "big time," because it was LeBron and AD which brought (bought?) the Lakers its "bubble summer camp" championship. Jeanie should bring in Rich Paul to either become the CEO of the Lakers and have Pelinka report to him or fire Pelinka and hire Rich Paul to run the front office.

NO BUENO POR FAVOR. DO NOT WANT. ARIGATOU GOZAIMASU!

I'm now officially on the "send Lebron/Klutch to Cleveland" train! Thanks! Choo choo!
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Re: Darvin Ham is the next lakers coach. 

Post#42 » by sonnyhill » Fri Jun 3, 2022 3:37 am

LAL1947 wrote:
sonnyhill wrote:Trading LeBron for draft capital and expiring contracts would makes sense; however, Jeanie has publicly stated that she wants to see LeBron in a Laker uniform breaking the NBA all-time scoring record. Your suggestion of trading LeBron away makes sense from a "rebuilding the roster" standpoint; yet, Jeanie is more concerned about having records broken by players wearing a Laker uniform than building a winning team. Her behavior is disgraceful!

Way to take a casual statement Jeanie made to show support for Lebron's endeavor and blow it way out of proportion.

Shouldn't you be finding fault with Lebron instead, for trying to pass Kareem even at the expense of playing defense?

sonnyhill wrote:The Lakers are a Klutch team with LeBron, AD, Executive Assistant Randy Mims, Coach Ham all part of the organization. The Lakers owe Klutch "big time," because it was LeBron and AD which brought (bought?) the Lakers its "bubble summer camp" championship. Jeanie should bring in Rich Paul to either become the CEO of the Lakers and have Pelinka report to him or fire Pelinka and hire Rich Paul to run the front office.

NO BUENO POR FAVOR. DO NOT WANT. ARIGATOU GOZAIMASU!

I'm now officially on the "send Lebron/Klutch to Cleveland" train! Thanks! Choo choo!


I am good with trading LeBron for draft capital, expiring contracts, younger talent; yet, by doing so, the Lakers may diminish their future ability to attract future free agents. While many on this board may find the "bubble summer camp" championship to be "a tainted mirage," LeBron and Klutch did put together the deal to trade for AD, which was the lynchpin for the team's last championship. LeBron has indicate that he wants to say in Los Angeles; and if the Lakers move the GOAT to another team, what message does that send to future free agents? The Lakers had struck out badly on trying to recruit-and-sign both Aldridge as well as Kawaii Leonard.

If the Lakers are committed to a "new way" of finding, attracting, developing talent, then, yes, moving LeBron makes the most sense. However, the modus operandi of the Lakers ever since trading for Wilt has been to trade/acquire veteran superstar talent instead of drafting and developing.
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Re: Darvin Ham is the next lakers coach. 

Post#43 » by LAL1947 » Fri Jun 3, 2022 8:48 am

sonnyhill wrote:I am good with trading LeBron for draft capital, expiring contracts, younger talent; yet, by doing so, the Lakers may diminish their future ability to attract future free agents. While many on this board may find the "bubble summer camp" championship to be "a tainted mirage," LeBron and Klutch did put together the deal to trade for AD, which was the lynchpin for the team's last championship. LeBron has indicate that he wants to say in Los Angeles; and if the Lakers move the GOAT to another team, what message does that send to future free agents? The Lakers had struck out badly on trying to recruit-and-sign both Aldridge as well as Kawaii Leonard.

First... Lebron is not the GOAT. There is only one GOAT, Michael Jordan.

Second... I find that those who are fearful of Lebron being traded usually resort to this sort of fear mongering, to create a reason why the Lakers shouldn't trade him. Oh but what will others think... boohoo AFAIC. Lebron does what is best for himself, always has, from the time he left Cleveland for Miami with "The Decision"... to how he left Miami and re-joined the Cavs who had gathered assets... to how he then left Cleveland to join the Lakers who had gathered assets. The team needs to do what is best for themselves too. "If you build it, they will come"... this old phrase doesn't only apply to real estate buildings, it also applies to team building and free agents in the NBA.
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Re: Darvin Ham is the next lakers coach. 

Post#44 » by sonnyhill » Fri Jun 3, 2022 12:38 pm

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sonnyhill wrote:I am good with trading LeBron for draft capital, expiring contracts, younger talent; yet, by doing so, the Lakers may diminish their future ability to attract future free agents. While many on this board may find the "bubble summer camp" championship to be "a tainted mirage," LeBron and Klutch did put together the deal to trade for AD, which was the lynchpin for the team's last championship. LeBron has indicate that he wants to say in Los Angeles; and if the Lakers move the GOAT to another team, what message does that send to future free agents? The Lakers had struck out badly on trying to recruit-and-sign both Aldridge as well as Kawaii Leonard.

First... Lebron is not the GOAT. There is only one GOAT, Michael Jordan.

Second... I find that those who are fearful of Lebron being traded usually resort to this sort of fear mongering, to create a reason why the Lakers shouldn't trade him. Oh but what will others think... boohoo AFAIC. Lebron does what is best for himself, always has, from the time he left Cleveland for Miami with "The Decision"... to how he left Miami and re-joined the Cavs who had gathered assets... to how he then left Cleveland to join the Lakers who had gathered assets. The team needs to do what is best for themselves too. "If you build it, they will come"... this old phrase doesn't only apply to real estate buildings, it also applies to team building and free agents in the NBA.


You make a strong and compelling case for the Lakers to move on from LeBron...on the team's terms...not LeBron's, and I am on board with this course of action, too. Yet, Jeanie and the Lakers have taken actions (signing LeBron, hiring of Randy Mims, trading away young players and future draft picks for AD, not trading for Buddy Hield, trading for Westbrook, hiring of Coach Ham, publicly voicing ownership and team's desire to see LeBron break the scoring record in a Laker uniform) which indicate that they, Jeanie and the Lakers, have already chosen to go all-in on the LeBron-Laker experience. Jeanie and the Lakers are to LeBron and Klutch what a PC or a laptop is to Intel: "powered by LeBron-and-Klutch;" "powered by Intel." If Jeanie and the Lakers do not trade away LeBron, they really should just go all-in and hire Rich Paul to run a vertically-integrated "players-coach-executive assistant-front office" organization.

LAL1947 wrote: First... Lebron is not the GOAT. There is only one GOAT, Michael Jordan.

Did MJ lead three different franchises to win NBA titles?
How many championships did MJ win without Pippen as a teammate?

LAL1947 wrote:"The Decision"...
was not architected by a Detroit Piston's fan and Bill Simmons, who in turn pitched the idea to both LeBron and his camp and several ESPN senior executives.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29375906/espn-show-confirms-decision-was-fan-idea-not-lebron-james
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Re: Darvin Ham is the next lakers coach. 

Post#45 » by Ball so hard » Sat Jun 4, 2022 1:23 am

sonnyhill wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:
sonnyhill wrote:Ham also got a 4-year contract, something which both Lue and Williams had requested, but were denied, when they were both interviewing for the Laker job.

Good for Ham in getting the 4-year contract, but Jeanie and the Rambus couple need to get out of the way and Rob needs to be replaced by Rich Paul. The way that the Lakers had handled the contract negotiations with Lue and Williams as well as only offering Vogel a 1-year extension are all examples of antiquated thinking.

You're making me hope that we send Lebron to Cleveland, taking you along with him. Why you gotta do that? :D

We don't want or need Lebron or Rich Paul involved with Lakers ownership or management. NO BUENO POR FAVOR.

Also, I think the Lakers handled the previous coaching search very well. They held firm to their set budget and got the right man for the job in Frank Vogel... then surrounded him with a world class staff in Kidd, Handy and Hollins. Vogel won us a chip... but then your Klutch guys (Lebron, AD and Rich Paul) had to go eff things up by insisting we trade for Westbrook when they saw other trios of stars gather elsewhere in the league. Kidd was a good hire too, and he just showed up Monty Williams in the WC playoffs. I also really like that the Lakers refused to be held under the barrel by Ty Lue's exorbitant asking rate of 5-years guaranteed @ $35m + to pay him whatever Cleveland still owed him for parting ways with him. So much to appreciate about all that... like being sensible and responsible, like evaluating every candidate fairly to see who fits the need best... yet you still manage to manufacture negativity.


Trading LeBron for draft capital and expiring contracts would makes sense; however, Jeanie has publicly stated that she wants to see LeBron in a Laker uniform breaking the NBA all-time scoring record. Your suggestion of trading LeBron away makes sense from a "rebuilding the roster" standpoint; yet, Jeanie is more concerned about having records broken by players wearing a Laker uniform than building a winning team. Her behavior is disgraceful!

The Lakers are a Klutch team with LeBron, AD, Executive Assistant Randy Mims, Coach Ham all part of the organization. The Lakers owe Klutch "big time," because it was LeBron and AD which brought (bought?) the Lakers its "bubble summer camp" championship. Jeanie should bring in Rich Paul to either become the CEO of the Lakers and have Pelinka report to him or fire Pelinka and hire Rich Paul to run the front office.


Are you affiliated with Klutch? You continue to push the Lakers should hire Rich Paul and make Lebron player-coach narrative. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to take your post seriously.
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Post#46 » by sonnyhill » Sat Jun 4, 2022 3:56 am

Ball so hard wrote:
sonnyhill wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:You're making me hope that we send Lebron to Cleveland, taking you along with him. Why you gotta do that? :D

We don't want or need Lebron or Rich Paul involved with Lakers ownership or management. NO BUENO POR FAVOR.

Also, I think the Lakers handled the previous coaching search very well. They held firm to their set budget and got the right man for the job in Frank Vogel... then surrounded him with a world class staff in Kidd, Handy and Hollins. Vogel won us a chip... but then your Klutch guys (Lebron, AD and Rich Paul) had to go eff things up by insisting we trade for Westbrook when they saw other trios of stars gather elsewhere in the league. Kidd was a good hire too, and he just showed up Monty Williams in the WC playoffs. I also really like that the Lakers refused to be held under the barrel by Ty Lue's exorbitant asking rate of 5-years guaranteed @ $35m + to pay him whatever Cleveland still owed him for parting ways with him. So much to appreciate about all that... like being sensible and responsible, like evaluating every candidate fairly to see who fits the need best... yet you still manage to manufacture negativity.


Trading LeBron for draft capital and expiring contracts would makes sense; however, Jeanie has publicly stated that she wants to see LeBron in a Laker uniform breaking the NBA all-time scoring record. Your suggestion of trading LeBron away makes sense from a "rebuilding the roster" standpoint; yet, Jeanie is more concerned about having records broken by players wearing a Laker uniform than building a winning team. Her behavior is disgraceful!

The Lakers are a Klutch team with LeBron, AD, Executive Assistant Randy Mims, Coach Ham all part of the organization. The Lakers owe Klutch "big time," because it was LeBron and AD which brought (bought?) the Lakers its "bubble summer camp" championship. Jeanie should bring in Rich Paul to either become the CEO of the Lakers and have Pelinka report to him or fire Pelinka and hire Rich Paul to run the front office.


Are you affiliated with Klutch? You continue to push the Lakers should hire Rich Paul and make Lebron player-coach narrative. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to take your post seriously.


Longtime fan (since the Wilt, West, Baylor days) and see the value in disruption; not affiliated with Klutch, but see the value that Klutch brings to the Laker org.. Empowering Klutch to jumpstart-and-power the Lakers is potentially a disruptive action which could catapult the Lakers ahead of both the "draft-develop-build" teams like the Warriors, Celtics, Spurs, and Raptors and the" compete for free agents and trade acquisition" teams like the Heat, Clippers, and perhaps the Knicks.

What Jeanie and her front office have been doing is not working, and to borrow the rhetorical question which former President Trump had used when courting the African-American vote in 2016, when considering bringing Klutch into the Lakers' front office to jumpstart-and-power the Lakers, Laker nation should be asking ourselves, "What do we have to lose?"
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Post#47 » by LAL1947 » Sat Jun 4, 2022 4:28 am

sonnyhill wrote:
Ball so hard wrote:
sonnyhill wrote:The Lakers are a Klutch team with LeBron, AD, Executive Assistant Randy Mims, Coach Ham all part of the organization. The Lakers owe Klutch "big time," because it was LeBron and AD which brought (bought?) the Lakers its "bubble summer camp" championship. Jeanie should bring in Rich Paul to either become the CEO of the Lakers and have Pelinka report to him or fire Pelinka and hire Rich Paul to run the front office.

Are you affiliated with Klutch? You continue to push the Lakers should hire Rich Paul and make Lebron player-coach narrative. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to take your post seriously.

Longtime fan (since the Wilt, West, Baylor days) and see the value in disruption; not affiliated with Klutch, but see the value that Klutch brings to the Laker org.. Empowering Klutch to jumpstart-and-power the Lakers is potentially a disruptive action which could catapult the Lakers ahead of both the "draft-develop-build" teams like the Warriors, Celtics, Spurs, and Raptors and the" compete for free agents and trade acquisition" teams like the Heat, Clippers, and perhaps the Knicks.

What Jeanie and her front office have been doing is not working, and to borrow the rhetorical question which former President Trump had used when courting the African-American vote in 2016, when considering bringing Klutch into the Lakers' front office to jumpstart-and-power the Lakers, Laker nation should be asking ourselves, "What do we have to lose?"

This is one of the stupidest things I've read. You want Jeanie to plant the seeds of self-destruction... you want to take the Lakers away from the family who built it from nothing, and give it to Lebron without a care... all while grossly overestimating Lebron's and Rich Paul's capabilities to operate as coach or manage a franchise.

The Lakers must conduct business like Real Madrid, the leader in its field of EU Soccer, and not become a clown show like you're proposing here. The organization is much larger than any one person... even a player like Lebron James. Take note of how Real Madrid traded Cristiano Ronaldo, a bigger name than Lebron James, when they had an opportunity to obtain $100m in transfer fees. It is the same point where the Lakers are at too... and instead of trading him in return for assets... or giving him one last ill-advised go at contending... you're actually suggesting that they give him the keys of the whole organization, lol.

You're definitely a Klutch plant. :lol:
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Post#48 » by sonnyhill » Sat Jun 4, 2022 3:45 pm

LAL1947 wrote:
sonnyhill wrote:
Ball so hard wrote:Are you affiliated with Klutch? You continue to push the Lakers should hire Rich Paul and make Lebron player-coach narrative. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to take your post seriously.

Longtime fan (since the Wilt, West, Baylor days) and see the value in disruption; not affiliated with Klutch, but see the value that Klutch brings to the Laker org.. Empowering Klutch to jumpstart-and-power the Lakers is potentially a disruptive action which could catapult the Lakers ahead of both the "draft-develop-build" teams like the Warriors, Celtics, Spurs, and Raptors and the" compete for free agents and trade acquisition" teams like the Heat, Clippers, and perhaps the Knicks.

What Jeanie and her front office have been doing is not working, and to borrow the rhetorical question which former President Trump had used when courting the African-American vote in 2016, when considering bringing Klutch into the Lakers' front office to jumpstart-and-power the Lakers, Laker nation should be asking ourselves, "What do we have to lose?"

This is one of the stupidest things I've read. You want Jeanie to plant the seeds of self-destruction... you want to take the Lakers away from the family who built it from nothing, and give it to Lebron without a care... all while grossly overestimating Lebron's and Rich Paul's capabilities to operate as coach or manage a franchise.

The Lakers must conduct business like Real Madrid, the leader in its field of EU Soccer, and not become a clown show like you're proposing here. The organization is much larger than any one person... even a player like Lebron James. Take note of how Real Madrid traded Cristiano Ronaldo, a bigger name than Lebron James, when they had an opportunity to obtain $100m in transfer fees. It is the same point where the Lakers are at too... and instead of trading him in return for assets... or giving him one last ill-advised go at contending... you're actually suggesting that they give him the keys of the whole organization, lol.

You're definitely a Klutch plant. :lol:


LAL1947 wrote:This is one of the stupidest things I've read.

Do you disagree that the Lakers are in competition with "draft-develop-build" teams like the Warriors, Celtics, Spurs, and Raptors AND the "compete-for-free agents-and-trade acquisitions" teams like the Heat, Clippers, and perhaps the Knicks" and need a strategy which either competes head-to-head with those teams or is new-and-different than what those other teams are doing?

No, I do not "want Jeanie to plant the seeds of self-destruction," and am "open-to-and-would-welcome-seeing" a full rebuild, including trading Lebron AND AD for a haul of assets (trading Westbrook might be impossible until right up to next season's trade deadline). It is Jeanie and the front office who have embraced the LeBron-Klutch ecosystem (hiring Randy Mims, trading away the young-and-developing talent PLUS first round draft picks for AD, not trading for Hield-and-trading for Russ, hiring Ham) and is now looking to "run it back" with the same core roster as this past season's. So, again, given the actions and decisions which Jeanie and her front office have chosen, with regards to really going all-in on giving LeBron and Klutch "the keys to the whole organization," including finally hiring Rich Paul as CEO, "what do the Lakers have to lose?"

BTW, Jeanie could still go the route of a full reset by trading away LeBron and AD for a haul of assets and empowering Pelinka to construct a roster of players over the course of the next 3-4 years which vertically-align with Coach Ham's coaching philosophy and system. I would find this approach to be both refreshing as well as prudently wise; however, Jeanie has stated that she wants to see LeBron break the all-time NBA scoring record in a Laker uniform; she has loaded up the team with Klutch clients and LeBron posse members; and has through her proxy, Phil, advocated for the new coach to build around Westbrook.
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Post#49 » by tamaraw08 » Sun Jun 5, 2022 4:20 am

sonnyhill wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:
sonnyhill wrote:Ham also got a 4-year contract, something which both Lue and Williams had requested, but were denied, when they were both interviewing for the Laker job.

Good for Ham in getting the 4-year contract, but Jeanie and the Rambus couple need to get out of the way and Rob needs to be replaced by Rich Paul. The way that the Lakers had handled the contract negotiations with Lue and Williams as well as only offering Vogel a 1-year extension are all examples of antiquated thinking.

You're making me hope that we send Lebron to Cleveland, taking you along with him. Why you gotta do that? :D

We don't want or need Lebron or Rich Paul involved with Lakers ownership or management. NO BUENO POR FAVOR.

Also, I think the Lakers handled the previous coaching search very well. They held firm to their set budget and got the right man for the job in Frank Vogel... then surrounded him with a world class staff in Kidd, Handy and Hollins. Vogel won us a chip... but then your Klutch guys (Lebron, AD and Rich Paul) had to go eff things up by insisting we trade for Westbrook when they saw other trios of stars gather elsewhere in the league. Kidd was a good hire too, and he just showed up Monty Williams in the WC playoffs. I also really like that the Lakers refused to be held under the barrel by Ty Lue's exorbitant asking rate of 5-years guaranteed @ $35m + to pay him whatever Cleveland still owed him for parting ways with him. So much to appreciate about all that... like being sensible and responsible, like evaluating every candidate fairly to see who fits the need best... yet you still manage to manufacture negativity.


Trading LeBron for draft capital and expiring contracts would makes sense; however, Jeanie has publicly stated that she wants to see LeBron in a Laker uniform breaking the NBA all-time scoring record. Your suggestion of trading LeBron away makes sense from a "rebuilding the roster" standpoint; yet, Jeanie is more concerned about having records broken by players wearing a Laker uniform than building a winning team. Her behavior is disgraceful!

The Lakers are a Klutch team with LeBron, AD, Executive Assistant Randy Mims, Coach Ham all part of the organization. The Lakers owe Klutch "big time," because it was LeBron and AD which brought (bought?) the Lakers its "bubble summer camp" championship. Jeanie should bring in Rich Paul to either become the CEO of the Lakers and have Pelinka report to him or fire Pelinka and hire Rich Paul to run the front office.


OMG, Sonny What is going on with you? First you suggested Jeanni should move the team to Vegas and leave their millionaire fans who pay top dollar to those 2 decks of luxury suites, expensive merchs etc etc.
Then you suggested Lebron should be the player coach with is ILLEGAL under the new CBA.
Then this? Fire Pelinka and let Rich Paul run the freaking team? :crazy:
Pelinka who actually played College ball, finished Business Admin then studies Law, passed the Bar, Joined SFX, started his own Sports Agency etc etc and now he needs to relinquish his duties to a guy who didn't even finished college? Would you please indulge me with his great accomplishments that DOESN'T INVOLVED Lebron?
Where would Rich Paul be again, if he didn't ran into the 17 yr old Lebron at the airport,again?
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Post#50 » by tamaraw08 » Sun Jun 5, 2022 4:20 am

sonnyhill wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:
sonnyhill wrote:Ham also got a 4-year contract, something which both Lue and Williams had requested, but were denied, when they were both interviewing for the Laker job.

Good for Ham in getting the 4-year contract, but Jeanie and the Rambus couple need to get out of the way and Rob needs to be replaced by Rich Paul. The way that the Lakers had handled the contract negotiations with Lue and Williams as well as only offering Vogel a 1-year extension are all examples of antiquated thinking.

You're making me hope that we send Lebron to Cleveland, taking you along with him. Why you gotta do that? :D

We don't want or need Lebron or Rich Paul involved with Lakers ownership or management. NO BUENO POR FAVOR.

Also, I think the Lakers handled the previous coaching search very well. They held firm to their set budget and got the right man for the job in Frank Vogel... then surrounded him with a world class staff in Kidd, Handy and Hollins. Vogel won us a chip... but then your Klutch guys (Lebron, AD and Rich Paul) had to go eff things up by insisting we trade for Westbrook when they saw other trios of stars gather elsewhere in the league. Kidd was a good hire too, and he just showed up Monty Williams in the WC playoffs. I also really like that the Lakers refused to be held under the barrel by Ty Lue's exorbitant asking rate of 5-years guaranteed @ $35m + to pay him whatever Cleveland still owed him for parting ways with him. So much to appreciate about all that... like being sensible and responsible, like evaluating every candidate fairly to see who fits the need best... yet you still manage to manufacture negativity.


Trading LeBron for draft capital and expiring contracts would makes sense; however, Jeanie has publicly stated that she wants to see LeBron in a Laker uniform breaking the NBA all-time scoring record. Your suggestion of trading LeBron away makes sense from a "rebuilding the roster" standpoint; yet, Jeanie is more concerned about having records broken by players wearing a Laker uniform than building a winning team. Her behavior is disgraceful!

The Lakers are a Klutch team with LeBron, AD, Executive Assistant Randy Mims, Coach Ham all part of the organization. The Lakers owe Klutch "big time," because it was LeBron and AD which brought (bought?) the Lakers its "bubble summer camp" championship. Jeanie should bring in Rich Paul to either become the CEO of the Lakers and have Pelinka report to him or fire Pelinka and hire Rich Paul to run the front office.


OMG, Sonny What is going on with you? First you suggested Jeanni should move the team to Vegas and leave their millionaire fans who pay top dollar to those 2 decks of luxury suites, expensive merchs etc etc.
Then you suggested Lebron should be the player coach with is ILLEGAL under the new CBA.
Then this? Fire Pelinka and let Rich Paul run the freaking team? :crazy:
Pelinka who actually played College ball, finished Business Admin then studies Law, passed the Bar, Joined SFX, started his own Sports Agency etc etc and now he needs to relinquish his duties to a guy who didn't even finished college? Would you please indulge me with his great accomplishments that DOESN'T INVOLVED Lebron?
Where would Rich Paul be again, if he didn't ran into the 17 yr old Lebron at the airport,again?
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Post#51 » by Danny Darko » Sun Jun 5, 2022 11:23 pm

sonnyhill wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:
sonnyhill wrote:Longtime fan (since the Wilt, West, Baylor days) and see the value in disruption; not affiliated with Klutch, but see the value that Klutch brings to the Laker org.. Empowering Klutch to jumpstart-and-power the Lakers is potentially a disruptive action which could catapult the Lakers ahead of both the "draft-develop-build" teams like the Warriors, Celtics, Spurs, and Raptors and the" compete for free agents and trade acquisition" teams like the Heat, Clippers, and perhaps the Knicks.

What Jeanie and her front office have been doing is not working, and to borrow the rhetorical question which former President Trump had used when courting the African-American vote in 2016, when considering bringing Klutch into the Lakers' front office to jumpstart-and-power the Lakers, Laker nation should be asking ourselves, "What do we have to lose?"

This is one of the stupidest things I've read. You want Jeanie to plant the seeds of self-destruction... you want to take the Lakers away from the family who built it from nothing, and give it to Lebron without a care... all while grossly overestimating Lebron's and Rich Paul's capabilities to operate as coach or manage a franchise.

The Lakers must conduct business like Real Madrid, the leader in its field of EU Soccer, and not become a clown show like you're proposing here. The organization is much larger than any one person... even a player like Lebron James. Take note of how Real Madrid traded Cristiano Ronaldo, a bigger name than Lebron James, when they had an opportunity to obtain $100m in transfer fees. It is the same point where the Lakers are at too... and instead of trading him in return for assets... or giving him one last ill-advised go at contending... you're actually suggesting that they give him the keys of the whole organization, lol.

You're definitely a Klutch plant. :lol:


LAL1947 wrote:This is one of the stupidest things I've read.

Do you disagree that the Lakers are in competition with "draft-develop-build" teams like the Warriors, Celtics, Spurs, and Raptors AND the "compete-for-free agents-and-trade acquisitions" teams like the Heat, Clippers, and perhaps the Knicks" and need a strategy which either competes head-to-head with those teams or is new-and-different than what those other teams are doing?

No, I do not "want Jeanie to plant the seeds of self-destruction," and am "open-to-and-would-welcome-seeing" a full rebuild, including trading Lebron AND AD for a haul of assets (trading Westbrook might be impossible until right up to next season's trade deadline). It is Jeanie and the front office who have embraced the LeBron-Klutch ecosystem (hiring Randy Mims, trading away the young-and-developing talent PLUS first round draft picks for AD, not trading for Hield-and-trading for Russ, hiring Ham) and is now looking to "run it back" with the same core roster as this past season's. So, again, given the actions and decisions which Jeanie and her front office have chosen, with regards to really going all-in on giving LeBron and Klutch "the keys to the whole organization," including finally hiring Rich Paul as CEO, "what do the Lakers have to lose?"

BTW, Jeanie could still go the route of a full reset by trading away LeBron and AD for a haul of assets and empowering Pelinka to construct a roster of players over the course of the next 3-4 years which vertically-align with Coach Ham's coaching philosophy and system. I would find this approach to be both refreshing as well as prudently wise; however, Jeanie has stated that she wants to see LeBron break the all-time NBA scoring record in a Laker uniform; she has loaded up the team with Klutch clients and LeBron posse members; and has through her proxy, Phil, advocated for the new coach to build around Westbrook.


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Re: Darvin Ham is the next lakers coach. 

Post#52 » by Danny Darko » Sun Jun 5, 2022 11:25 pm

And now Snyder walks away from the Jazz?
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Post#53 » by Ball so hard » Mon Jun 6, 2022 10:38 am

Of course Snyder now decides to step down! How many people would take Ham over Snyder? Timing definitely wasn’t on our side.
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Re: Darvin Ham is the next lakers coach. 

Post#54 » by Ckay » Mon Jun 6, 2022 4:00 pm

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Re: Darvin Ham is the next lakers coach. 

Post#55 » by LAL1947 » Mon Jun 6, 2022 4:14 pm

Holy cow, did not see this coming! Especially with Wallace's past rivalries with the Lakers when he played for Portland, Detroit and Boston. Welp, now nobody can say that the Lakers only hire ex-Lakers, lol. :D

Welcome and good luck, Sheed! Light a fire under AD, please and thank you. :clap:
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Re: Darvin Ham is the next lakers coach. 

Post#56 » by Ball so hard » Mon Jun 6, 2022 4:55 pm

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Would’ve preferred to see an assistant with more experience. In time we’ll know if this was a mistake. Kind of a slap in the face to Vogel that a rookie coach comes in and get a lot more say than he had.
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Re: Darvin Ham is the next lakers coach. 

Post#57 » by tamaraw08 » Mon Jun 6, 2022 5:24 pm

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Would’ve preferred to see an assistant with more experience. In time we’ll know if this was a mistake. Kind of a slap in the face to Vogel that a rookie coach comes in and get a lot more say than he had.

Makes me wonder if Ham needed his version of Udonis Haslem as his bodyguard in case one of his superstars tries to attack— ahem shoulder check him like Lebron did to Spoelstra. :roll:
They have a rookie coach who hires another person with no NBA head coaching experience … unlike 3 time champ Kerr who quickly hired Mike Brown AND Atkinson to replace his assistants
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Re: Darvin Ham hired as coach. update: Sheed Wallace assistant 

Post#58 » by Danny Darko » Mon Jun 6, 2022 5:41 pm

I like the Wallace hire. Ham definitely should know what he wants in an assistant. This will be a bad boys out west team.

He just better not get techs from the bench
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Re: Darvin Ham hired as coach. update: Sheed Wallace assistant 

Post#59 » by BEazy » Mon Jun 6, 2022 6:34 pm

I like the Sheed hire only because AD can't put up that weak **** from the perimeter anymore. Sheed will be on his ass all day long and Darvin Ham isn't no punk either. I like this hard nosed tough minded coaching staff so far. It's going to be interesting seeing how the Allstars react to this type of coaching. I'm praying that Phil Handy decides to come back. If Handy comes back, we'll have a pretty solid coach staff so far. Hopefully passive aggressive Bron won't come out of the wood works because he's not being treated like royalty.
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Post#60 » by Ballerhogger » Mon Jun 6, 2022 7:30 pm

Ham seems very even keel guy. See how it goes

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