Jeremy Sochan - Baylor

[MemphisX]

Tired of seeing these workout videos consistently emphasizing dunks against no defenders. That video of Sochan showed me very little.

Sounds like this comment is directed at yourself, you're obviously not going to get much useful out of highlight or workout videos, ever. No one worth talking with here takes their draft opinions from stuff like that.

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I guess I’m just commenting on my frustrations with how reductive the combine and workouts have devolved into over the last couple decades.

Huh? They haven't devolved. Top payers stopped working out against other top players during the blogging era. Once NBA draft coverage took off, that stuff stopped.

Yes, I agree that clips of workouts have little use but the workouts themselves are useful to those in attendance. People keep looking for the holy grail of draft assessment. Everything is a data point. HS, AAU, College, , tournament, pre-NBA pro leagues, measurements, workouts, analytics, etc. All pieces of a huge puzzle that everyone gets to put together and come up with their own individual picture.

[retrobro90]

I see Eason and Sochan on opposite ends of the spectrum as a defenders.
Eason is all about athleticism/chaos/activity/tools, Sochan is all about smarts/fundamentals/technique

I think they're both toolsy types tbh. Sochan is just marginally better IQ wise while Tari is almost 100% raw tools. I dont think Sochan is a major plus with his defensive IQ. Just a high motor dude who does his job on that end.

[Juggynaut]

Thunder looking at him at 12. Makes sense for them.

[SelfishPlayer]

Chris Singleton was the last time that I seen a similarly sized prospect so highly regarded for their defense, and he was a total NBA bust. Usually you simply talk about a guy's potential in that regard. People seem sold that Jeremy Sochan will absolutely translate to the NBA as an outstanding defender, offensive ability be damned.

[HotelVitale]

Chris Singleton was the last time that I seen a similarly sized prospect so highly regarded for their defense, and he was a total NBA bust. Usually you simply talk about a guy's potential in that regard. People seem sold that Jeremy Sochan will absolutely translate to the NBA as an outstanding defender, offensive ability be damned.

I'm not super sold on Sochan but we're way past the point that comparisons like that are useful, every player is very different and Sochan's fate has nothing to do with Chris Singleton. In particular Singleton was utterly awful on offense in the NBA and no one's going to be a successful payer if you're that low volume and that inefficient; if Sochan averages 8pts per 36 on 45% throughout his rookie contract years, he'll be seen as an absolutely disastrous disappointment and no one's going to say 'we expected this and it's worth it cuz of his defense.' Folks obviously hoped that Singleton would develop on that end much much better than he did.

Also sure people like Sochan's defense the most but folks also like his driving, passing, and creating abilities. Feels risky to me but I wouldn't be shocked if he develops those skills in the NBA, can see the basic skillset. Singleton was also almost 3 years older than Sochan, averaged half the assists Sochan did despite having a bigger role and couldn't really drive at all. Like I said I'm not a big Sochan guy but assigning him a type and then assessing his chances based on that aint gonna tell you who he is or what his chances are.

[HotelVitale]

Sounds like this comment is directed at yourself, you're obviously not going to get much useful out of highlight or workout videos, ever. No one worth talking with here takes their draft opinions from stuff like that.

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I guess I’m just commenting on my frustrations with how reductive the combine and workouts have devolved into over the last couple decades.

Yes, I agree that clips of workouts have little use but the workouts themselves are useful to those in attendance. People keep looking for the holy grail of draft assessment. Everything is a data point. HS, AAU, College, , tournament, pre-NBA pro leagues, measurements, workouts, analytics, etc. All pieces of a huge puzzle that everyone gets to put together and come up with their own individual picture.

Sure but if you've got like 30 minutes to form enough of an opinion to start talking about a prospect, I think taking in 4 or 5 of those 'all plays' type videos from college/g league games are the best bet. Shows you not just how good or dominant they are at their strengths (be they shooting, driving, transition, on-ball defense, etc) but also their sense of timing and control of their game, their inability to do certain things effectively, their ability or inability to impose will, etc. Better to watch the whole games but then you're talking about at least like 4 hours and I never do that anymore. Unless there's some particularly intriguing or confounding player.

Sidenote: man I feel stupid typing 'g-league.' No one would start calling baseball's minor leagues the Amazon Presents Future Stars league or whatever, but they got us all calling the NBA version the g-league in just a couple years.

[The Moose]

I see Eason and Sochan on opposite ends of the spectrum as a defenders.
Eason is all about athleticism/chaos/activity/tools, Sochan is all about smarts/fundamentals/technique

I think they're both toolsy types tbh. Sochan is just marginally better IQ wise while Tari is almost 100% raw tools. I dont think Sochan is a major plus with his defensive IQ. Just a high motor dude who does his job on that end.

just saw this piece dropped today, pretty good stuff.
It actually expands a bit on this general idea

"The tendencies exuded by each in their offense game appear to be the root of their def approach
JS is sound & steady, shining through timely rotations & acing defensive principles. TE is overwhelming & ferocious, dominating thru instinctual gambles & advantageous physical tools"

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