Has anyone done impact stats for 1st three-peat Bulls?

[Owly]

Just wondered if this was out there as I think this would be doable (though obviously a grind) for at least a season, perhaps all, in terms of having all games available on the internet?

[jalengreen]

Are all of the games available?

I know squared2020 has calculated 1991 RAPM with 133/1107 games logged here https://squared2020.com/2021/09/11/1990-1991-nba-rapm/.

[homecourtloss]

In the sample size, Chicago losses are slightly overrepresented compared to actual losses, but even so, peak Jordan’s RAPM seems a bit underwhelming considering 38 of their games are logged here. Barkley’s defensive RAPM seems to match narratives as does Abdul-Raouf’s (i.e., a notoriously bad defender). Terry Porter and Tim Hardaway have been impact monsters for long stretches of time.

On another note, I’ve been hoping something like this can be done. Is there a wealthy basketball fan who’d like to fund a project that could capture the available data? They could use university students. I’d love to see how quite a few players would measure out.

[jalengreen]

Are all of the games available?

I know squared2020 has calculated 1991 RAPM with 133/1107 games logged here https://squared2020.com/2021/09/11/1990-1991-nba-rapm/.

haha shortly after this comment was posted i see the link posted on reddit. could be coincidence ofc but if not, now im wondering who u/kd_no_defense_snake is!

on a serious note, i think it'd be very plausible for video tracking AI to be applied to past games.

we're at the point where it can be used on current broadcast footage:

https://youtu.be/J_GZdzSgeag

and i think it's something that can used on past broadcast footage as well which would be cool

[Owly]

Are all of the games available?

I know squared2020 has calculated 1991 RAPM with 133/1107 games logged here https://squared2020.com/2021/09/11/1990-1991-nba-rapm/.

"All" may have been optimistic (was just talking Bulls here too, to be clear). Reluctant to link in any case, in case more views equals more scrutiny and takedowns. But was recalling places with a lot that seemed to be close to in order and overgeneralizing from places that I think had done that for '96 (though I can't be sure they didn't have gaps, this is going off memory). Eyeballing 1991 November I see three road games versus weak opponents not easily findable (maybe that rate gets better later in the season as casual interest picks up?).

[MyUniBroDavis]

In the sample size, Chicago losses are slightly overrepresented compared to actual losses, but even so, peak Jordan’s RAPM seems a bit underwhelming considering 38 of their games are logged here. Barkley’s defensive RAPM seems to match narratives as does Abdul-Raouf’s (i.e., a notoriously bad defender). Terry Porter and Tim Hardaway have been impact monsters for long stretches of time.

On another note, I’ve been hoping something like this can be done. Is there a wealthy basketball fan who’d like to fund a project that could capture the available data? They could use university students. I’d love to see how quite a few players would measure out.

It’s npi rapm so I don’t see how it’s underwhelming, it’s second with first seeming like a sample thing, with a distance between him and third which both 09 and 13 bron did

[falcolombardi]

In the sample size, Chicago losses are slightly overrepresented compared to actual losses, but even so, peak Jordan’s RAPM seems a bit underwhelming considering 38 of their games are logged here. Barkley’s defensive RAPM seems to match narratives as does Abdul-Raouf’s (i.e., a notoriously bad defender). Terry Porter and Tim Hardaway have been impact monsters for long stretches of time.

On another note, I’ve been hoping something like this can be done. Is there a wealthy basketball fan who’d like to fund a project that could capture the available data? They could use university students. I’d love to see how quite a few players would measure out.

It’s npi rapm so I don’t see how it’s underwhelming, it’s second with first seeming like a sample thing, with a distance between him and third which both 09 and 13 bron did

for reference lebron best 5 year average rapm i found (prior informed tho) is 6.5 (as far as i know the best ever)

91 jordan is 6.8

91 is peak jordan so his best 5-year average is likely lower than his 91 rapm, and the methodology of this (no priors) makes it an apples to orange comparision

but the main point that jordan peak season looks in line with what we woild expect from bron in an "average" prime year circe 2009-2017

[MyUniBroDavis]

In the sample size, Chicago losses are slightly overrepresented compared to actual losses, but even so, peak Jordan’s RAPM seems a bit underwhelming considering 38 of their games are logged here. Barkley’s defensive RAPM seems to match narratives as does Abdul-Raouf’s (i.e., a notoriously bad defender). Terry Porter and Tim Hardaway have been impact monsters for long stretches of time.

On another note, I’ve been hoping something like this can be done. Is there a wealthy basketball fan who’d like to fund a project that could capture the available data? They could use university students. I’d love to see how quite a few players would measure out.

It’s npi rapm so I don’t see how it’s underwhelming, it’s second with first seeming like a sample thing, with a distance between him and third which both 09 and 13 bron did

for reference lebron best 5 year average rapm i found (prior informed tho) is 6.5 (as far as i know the best ever)

91 jordan is 6.8

91 is peak jordan so his best 5-year average is likely lower than his 91 rapm, and the methodology of this (no priors) makes it an apples to orange comparision

but the main point that jordan peak season looks in line with what we woild expect from bron in an "average" prime year circe 2009-2017

I thought you cant compare averages for rapm like that since it’s regressed?

[falcolombardi]

It’s npi rapm so I don’t see how it’s underwhelming, it’s second with first seeming like a sample thing, with a distance between him and third which both 09 and 13 bron did

for reference lebron best 5 year average rapm i found (prior informed tho) is 6.5 (as far as i know the best ever at least in that study)

91 jordan is 6.8

91 is peak jordan so his best 5-year average is likely lower than his 91 rapm, and the methodology of this (no priors) makes it an apples to orange comparision

but the main point that jordan peak season looks in line with what we woild expect from bron in an "average" prime year circe 2009-2017

I thought you cant compare averages for rapm like that since it’s regressed?

they are different methodologies and samples but my point is that jordan result in that database for 1991 is far from underwhelming when it is what we see with the best results ever in rapm studies