Playoffs: How many Kobe years over ’22 Jimmy Butler?

[TheGOATRises007]

Anyone have the impact stats comparison between Kobe's best runs and Butler's?

I'd take 2001, 2008 and 2009 Kobe over Butler.

Everything else, I'd probably go Butler. He was incredible in the playoffs.

[MyUniBroDavis]

That’s a tangible, logical thing to do. I don’t see what is ridiculous about that at all.

It’s at least an attempt at gauging impact honestly, and not just assuming.

Boxscore composites don't do a good job capturing impact. The BPM deviation from actual PM is quite big. PER is useless basically.

Mind telling what actual things either player did that the box score isn’t properly capturing?

I already did.

I find Butler’s play to pretty much be reasonably as high level as you could expect a wing to play at.

LeBron, Harden, Kawhi are his modern best comparisons. Especially considering the defenses he plowed through like butter.

There’s some things on the court Butler was born to do that Kobe couldn’t dream of. His performance these playoffs reminded me of that Kobe athleticism thread where people refused to admit Butler is just flat out physically better than him.

Butler is all-time strong p4p. His skill game is pretty much overlooked but his Luka-esque pivot game going downhill and taking advantage of desperate defenders trying to match his explosion looked unstoppable.

In the 2020 finals, people don’t realize, Butler was flat out too strong and athletic for LeBron. They had to use Anthony Davis on him who pretty much deleted him but that’s what it took. Anthony Davis 22 feet from the basket. Physically he’s GOAT-ish at the very least from the SG position.

Yeah, Butler is an amazing athlete. Better than Kobe in my opinion. Sidney Moncrief was also a better athlete than Kobe, it doesn't make him a better player. Kobe has his share of advantages over Butler that I think makes him better offensive player, despite physical gap.

I think #8 kobe was pretty insanely athletic, and I think even later 08-10 could probably jump higher, could contort his body midair in crazy ways, and and had a very good first step. Butler is stronger but it’s kind of like, I think kobe is more athletic than Kawhi, and I think Kawhi is probably more athletic than butler in basically every way considering he’s stronger

[2klegend]

Butler has no business being compared to Kobe.

[JordansBulls]

Butler has no business being compared to Kobe.

Butler did have a higher gamescore than Lebron in the 2020 finals but again that is the bubble which shouldn't count since no fans are around. Apart from that Lebron in LA hasn't even won a series with fans around.

[ShotCreator]

That’s a tangible, logical thing to do. I don’t see what is ridiculous about that at all.

It’s at least an attempt at gauging impact honestly, and not just assuming.

Boxscore composites don't do a good job capturing impact. The BPM deviation from actual PM is quite big. PER is useless basically.

Mind telling what actual things either player did that the box score isn’t properly capturing?

I already did.

I find Butler’s play to pretty much be reasonably as high level as you could expect a wing to play at.

LeBron, Harden, Kawhi are his modern best comparisons. Especially considering the defenses he plowed through like butter.

There’s some things on the court Butler was born to do that Kobe couldn’t dream of. His performance these playoffs reminded me of that Kobe athleticism thread where people refused to admit Butler is just flat out physically better than him.

Butler is all-time strong p4p. His skill game is pretty much overlooked but his Luka-esque pivot game going downhill and taking advantage of desperate defenders trying to match his explosion looked unstoppable.

In the 2020 finals, people don’t realize, Butler was flat out too strong and athletic for LeBron. They had to use Anthony Davis on him who pretty much deleted him but that’s what it took. Anthony Davis 22 feet from the basket. Physically he’s GOAT-ish at the very least from the SG position.

Yeah, Butler is an amazing athlete. Better than Kobe in my opinion. Sidney Moncrief was also a better athlete than Kobe, it doesn't make him a better player. Kobe has his share of advantages over Butler that I think makes him better offensive player, despite physical gap.

I think #8 kobe was pretty insanely athletic, and I think even later 08-10 could probably jump higher, could contort his body midair in crazy ways, and and had a very good first step. Butler is stronger but it’s kind of like, I think kobe is more athletic than Kawhi, and I think Kawhi is probably more athletic than butler in basically every way considering he’s stronger

Why would Kobe be more athletic than Kawhi?


Putting it more clearly, why would Kawhi be a superior: Defender, rebounder, finisher, foul drawer, ball thief, shot blocker, but a worse athlete?