Denver Nuggets 2022 Off Season

[THE J0KER]

With one super-max and two max contracts, there is no big space for big moves for Denver this summer. But Barton, Morris, or/and the 2022#21 pick are arguable assets to make some serious improvement on Denver's defense IMO. Without changes, the cap will be about $15M into luxury tax in the upcoming season, and for 2023-24 add to that Jokic super-max, so new GM Calvin Booth's vision and strategy will be tested already very soon, especially because starting lineup once Murray and MPJ back in shape is contender worthy so any improvement would be great and any mistake costly.

[Richard Miller]

Just get someone who can actually shoot while not being a traffic cone on defense for once. Just watched this clip and was thinking how that shot would've looked like if Barton or any of the Nuggets wings not named MPJ took it (probably would've clanged so hard/broke the glass)

As a bonus, White was drafted 29th in the same draft where the Nuggets took one Tyler Lydon at 24th

[Coeur]

Not true at all that there isn’t big space possible for a huge deal.

Barton
Morris
Green
Green


That’s still 40 million dollars worth of nba contracts

[Coeur]

Monte Morris and Barton
For
Buddy Heild and pick 31?

[The Rebel]

Monte Morris and Barton
For
Buddy Heild and pick 31?

So we make our defensive problem considerably worse while not even improving our shooting?

[skywalker33]

Monte Morris and Barton
For
Buddy Heild and pick 31?

While I agree that both Morris and Barton may not have a place on the future this team, neither Hield nor the 31st pick are gonna do much for this team IMO. Feels like you are undervaluing both Barton and Morris here.

[skywalker33]

I would not mind adding Quin Snyder as an asst coach here, man knows his defense.

[skywalker33]

So, does anyone else think Booth is primed to make a move in this draft ?

[The Rebel]

I would not mind adding Quin Snyder as an asst coach here, man knows his defense.

He just had hip surgery, sounds like he is going to take at least a year off to recover and spend time with family.

So, does anyone else think Booth is primed to make a move in this draft ?

For some reason I am convinced we are trading the pick, just don't know what we will get for it. Personally I think it is a mistake unless we are getting a clear upgrade as we need cheap bench players that may outplay their contracts.

[skywalker33]

I would not mind adding Quin Snyder as an asst coach here, man knows his defense.

He just had hip surgery, sounds like he is going to take at least a year off to recover and spend time with family.

Read he could become the leading candidate to replace Pop in SAS when he retires, so I can see this

So, does anyone else think Booth is primed to make a move in this draft ?

For some reason I am convinced we are trading the pick, just don't know what we will get for it. Personally I think it is a mistake unless we are getting a clear upgrade as we need cheap bench players that may outplay their contracts.

Being we in a win-now mode, I could see that but I agree we may make a trade. However, I'm thinking we may try to move up to get one of the talented SG's like Branham, Daniels or Sharpe if he starts to fall.

[skywalker33]

Can't take credit for this one but it seems to make a lot of sense

PHI trades Thybulle, Green and #23 (C Walker Kessler or PF EJ Liddell ?)
DEN trades Barton

Thybulle is a lockdown defender with decent size at the SG position. PHI selects and trades the 23rd pick for us (Stepien Rule) and we can use Green as a salary dump trade ($10M) while he's recovering.

Barton no longer has his anchor in TC, is also on a reasonable contract, adds scoring to the Sixers...say goodbye Will.

We still have Monte Morris, Zeke Nnaji and #21, would it be too far-fetched to trade these assets to move up to try and get another asset like F Tari Eason, SG Malaki Branham, or F/C Jalen Duren ??

[Richard Miller]

Can't take credit for this one but it seems to make a lot of sense

PHI trades Thybulle, Green and #23 (C Walker Kessler or PF EJ Liddell ?)
DEN trades Barton

Makes sense only for the Nuggets No way 76ers do that

[skywalker33]

Can't take credit for this one but it seems to make a lot of sense

PHI trades Thybulle, Green and #23 (C Walker Kessler or PF EJ Liddell ?)
DEN trades Barton

Makes sense only for the Nuggets No way 76ers do that

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Nice blanket statement, why do you say that, any reasoning behind it ?? PHI will need some more scoring, Will can do that much better than Thybulle, especially if Harden leaves. Green will be useless as he's recovering from an injury and the #23 pick returns unexpectedly via BKN.

[Richard Miller]

Can't take credit for this one but it seems to make a lot of sense

PHI trades Thybulle, Green and #23 (C Walker Kessler or PF EJ Liddell ?)
DEN trades Barton

Makes sense only for the Nuggets No way 76ers do that

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Nice blanket statement, why do you say that, any reasoning behind it ?? PHI will need some more scoring, Will can do that much better than Thybulle, especially if Harden leaves. Green will be useless as he's recovering from an injury and the #23 pick returns unexpectedly via BKN.

Thybulle is younger/still on his rookie contract, has already made back to back all-defense teams and a pick too? For Barton who wouldn't start on most teams in the league (except those who need a tank commander)? More likely the Nuggets would have to attach a pick to get any sort of upgrade if it's Barton alone who is getting traded.

[skywalker33]

Makes sense only for the Nuggets No way 76ers do that

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Nice blanket statement, why do you say that, any reasoning behind it ?? PHI will need some more scoring, Will can do that much better than Thybulle, especially if Harden leaves. Green will be useless as he's recovering from an injury and the #23 pick returns unexpectedly via BKN.

Thybulle is younger/still on his rookie contract, has already made back to back all-defense teams and a pick too? For Barton who wouldn't start on most teams in the league (except those who need a tank commander)? More likely the Nuggets would have to attach a pick to get any sort of upgrade if it's Barton alone who is getting traded.

Fair points but Thybulle is getting buried on their bench behind Harden and Springer already, you can't impact sitting on the pine. Barton can start, he's proven it here but he also brings the versatility to play both SF/SG. PHI is rumored to want to add more scoring off their bench, Matisse does not bring that. Just because he's worn out his welcome here doesn't mean he doesn't have value around the league. Over the past 3 years, he's shot 37% from 3-pt line (with Green out, they have no 3-pt shooters off their bench), averages around 15ppg and he does have some leadership qualities. I get the disdain, but I think this is more viable than you see it, especially now that Conelly is in MIN. But thanks for elaborating, always good to have differing opinions, I can always count on you for that.

[Richard Miller]

Just because he's worn out his welcome here doesn't mean he doesn't have value around the league. Over the past 3 years, he's shot 37% from 3-pt line (with Green out, they have no 3-pt shooters off their bench), averages around 15ppg and he does have some leadership qualities.

I'm not so convinced about his value (I mean if other teams value him, great, they can have him ), shouldn't forget he's playing with one of the best playmakers in the league/historically great floor-raiser and his numbers are still mediocre, not sure what happens when he goes to a team where he should create for himself a lot; agree on the leadership/veteran qualities but those are probably more suitable on some young, up and coming team.

[skywalker33]

Just because he's worn out his welcome here doesn't mean he doesn't have value around the league. Over the past 3 years, he's shot 37% from 3-pt line (with Green out, they have no 3-pt shooters off their bench), averages around 15ppg and he does have some leadership qualities.

I'm not so convinced about his value (I mean if other teams value him, great, they can have him ), shouldn't forget he's playing with one of the best playmakers in the league/historically great floor-raiser and his numbers are still mediocre, not sure what happens when he goes to a team where he should create for himself a lot; agree on the leadership/veteran qualities but those are probably more suitable on some young, up and coming team.

I get it but one of Barton's strengths is his ISO, he drives us crazy because we want him to play Joker-ball while he wants to play hero-ball. As for PHI, they ARE a young team, they have only 4 players who have more than 5 years of service, James Harden, who is not a leader of any sort (and may not be there after this season), Paul Milsap, a declining player but no kind of vocal leader, DeAndre Jordan, again no leadership qualities there and Danny Green, who would leave as part of the trade. Dude, you're making the case for me....or at least the Sixers reporter proposing this deal

I can see some other negatives you haven't brought up, like missing playoff games, huge ego, etc but no one thought Andrew Wiggins would/could be traded (more contract related IMO), but he's looking good in GSW right now isn't he ?? Never know what's going on in other teams FO's

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sixers/nba-trade-rumors-nuggets-will-barton-available-deal?fbclid=IwAR3-4vcRvf6kbr5ZHaJllH0Y_m98Ha65reJjHgDnDZramHKs_vw-7Cm_ZYc

[Richard Miller]

Just because he's worn out his welcome here doesn't mean he doesn't have value around the league. Over the past 3 years, he's shot 37% from 3-pt line (with Green out, they have no 3-pt shooters off their bench), averages around 15ppg and he does have some leadership qualities.

I'm not so convinced about his value (I mean if other teams value him, great, they can have him ), shouldn't forget he's playing with one of the best playmakers in the league/historically great floor-raiser and his numbers are still mediocre, not sure what happens when he goes to a team where he should create for himself a lot; agree on the leadership/veteran qualities but those are probably more suitable on some young, up and coming team.

I get it but one of Barton's strengths is his ISO, he drives us crazy because we want him to play Joker-ball while he wants to play hero-ball. As for PHI, they ARE a young team, they have only 4 players who have more than 5 years of service, James Harden, who is not a leader of any sort (and may not be there after this season), Paul Milsap, a declining player but no kind of vocal leader, DeAndre Jordan, again no leadership qualities there and Danny Green, who would leave as part of the trade. Dude, you're making the case for me....or at least the Sixers reporter proposing this deal

He could've been the leader this season on the Nuggets since neither Jokic nor Gordon are particularly vocal and he still did meh job at best during the regular season and he almost entirely disappeared in the playoffs. But by all means I'm not against, if they think they can unlock something extra, good for them and good for Nuggets.

[The Rebel]

I'm not so convinced about his value (I mean if other teams value him, great, they can have him ), shouldn't forget he's playing with one of the best playmakers in the league/historically great floor-raiser and his numbers are still mediocre, not sure what happens when he goes to a team where he should create for himself a lot; agree on the leadership/veteran qualities but those are probably more suitable on some young, up and coming team.

I get it but one of Barton's strengths is his ISO, he drives us crazy because we want him to play Joker-ball while he wants to play hero-ball. As for PHI, they ARE a young team, they have only 4 players who have more than 5 years of service, James Harden, who is not a leader of any sort (and may not be there after this season), Paul Milsap, a declining player but no kind of vocal leader, DeAndre Jordan, again no leadership qualities there and Danny Green, who would leave as part of the trade. Dude, you're making the case for me....or at least the Sixers reporter proposing this deal

He could've been the leader this season on the Nuggets since neither Jokic nor Gordon are particularly vocal and he still did meh job at best during the regular season and he almost entirely disappeared in the playoffs. But by all means I'm not against, if they think they can unlock something extra, good for them and good for Nuggets.

The thing about the 76ers is that Morey is huge into analytics, and by analytics BArton just had his best year a year ago when we had our stars to take the pressure off him and fits on what the team wants to do if you do not know the story behind the analytics. Barton is actually a very good spot up shooter, but we all know that he only becomes a spot up shooter after he has taken enough iso plays to get going. Barton is also a very good defender when he wants to be, and was actually better by far his last year at SF than he has been starting at SG, the 76ers need a SF. They also desperately need someone other than their stars that can consistently create their own shots, Harden is good as a distributer, but he is basically the only one on the team. Barton can create for himself and others, and while he has slowed down on defense the last couple of years, he has shown in the past that he is more than capable of being a good defender.

[TunaFish]

There are some reasons that Philly wants to trade Thybulle. He is overrated on defense at least on ball and very poor on offensive with a large contract. I think there are better options out there.

As disappointing as Barton was (is), any trade has to be balanced and a no offense player coming back is not the wisest trade.

That said, Ayton is in an interesting situation and I think he wants out of Phoenix. While probably out of our price range, I could see him at the power forward in Denver with Gordon moving to small forward and MPJ moving to shooting guard.