Official Celtics 2022 Off-Season Thread

[KamikazeK]

One more road win and they'll match the record for most road wins in a single playoff run (9). If they win game 2 and then lose game 3 or 4 and then win game 5 then they'll break the record.

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I think people have to keep things in context. This isn't a very good Warriors team. They came out of a very weak Western Conference beset by injuries to its biggest stars. Nuggets without Murray and MPJ, Clippers without Kawhi and George. AD and Lebron injured off/on all season, Zion missed all season, CP3 injured in the playoffs. They won the war of attrition and beat really weak teams to get to the Finals. They're old, Klay is coming off missing two years and has clearly lost a step, Green is seemingly more concerned about tweeting and podcasts than being a great player and they're very talented young players just aren't ready and former #2 pick Wiseman hasn't even played. This is why I felt it could be a 5 game series. They don't have an answer for us. Any other team we might have faced from the West would have given us a tougher matchup. While I'm happy we finally faced a healthy (relatively) team for once, we still won't really find out how elite we might be. Like, we know we're good. But can we be 2008 good? Can we be dynasty good? That only gets answered if we beat healthy elite teams and that's not what we're getting these playoffs.

Good observation. Since he doesn't just shut up and dribble, he's little more than a scrub.

[sam_I_am]

I think people have to keep things in context. This isn't a very good Warriors team. They came out of a very weak Western Conference beset by injuries to its biggest stars. Nuggets without Murray and MPJ, Clippers without Kawhi and George. AD and Lebron injured off/on all season, Zion missed all season, CP3 injured in the playoffs. They won the war of attrition and beat really weak teams to get to the Finals. They're old, Klay is coming off missing two years and has clearly lost a step, Green is seemingly more concerned about tweeting and podcasts than being a great player and they're very talented young players just aren't ready and former #2 pick Wiseman hasn't even played. This is why I felt it could be a 5 game series. They don't have an answer for us. Any other team we might have faced from the West would have given us a tougher matchup. While I'm happy we finally faced a healthy (relatively) team for once, we still won't really find out how elite we might be. Like, we know we're good. But can we be 2008 good? Can we be dynasty good? That only gets answered if we beat healthy elite teams and that's not what we're getting these playoffs.

I think talk of dynasty is unrealistic right now because Al Horford has been so instrumental to this run and this may be his swan song as an elite player. I sure hope not and believe he can have another good year. However I remember Paul Pierce’s great playoff run for Washington Wizards and the excitement it generated when he joined the Clippers, only to see him completely washed in LA.

For us to be a dynasty we will need to replace Al’s elite. All the more reason it is imperative to play this series as if there is no tomorrow.

[ConstableGeneva]

One more road win and they'll match the record for most road wins in a single playoff run (9). If they win game 2 and then lose game 3 or 4 and then win game 5 then they'll break the record.

I'm good with just tying the record and a sweep.

[ConstableGeneva]

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They also took Shamet (26th) instead of Timelord (27th).

[bucknersrevenge]

I think people have to keep things in context. This isn't a very good Warriors team. They came out of a very weak Western Conference beset by injuries to its biggest stars. Nuggets without Murray and MPJ, Clippers without Kawhi and George. AD and Lebron injured off/on all season, Zion missed all season, CP3 injured in the playoffs. They won the war of attrition and beat really weak teams to get to the Finals. They're old, Klay is coming off missing two years and has clearly lost a step, Green is seemingly more concerned about tweeting and podcasts than being a great player and they're very talented young players just aren't ready and former #2 pick Wiseman hasn't even played. This is why I felt it could be a 5 game series. They don't have an answer for us. Any other team we might have faced from the West would have given us a tougher matchup. While I'm happy we finally faced a healthy (relatively) team for once, we still won't really find out how elite we might be. Like, we know we're good. But can we be 2008 good? Can we be dynasty good? That only gets answered if we beat healthy elite teams and that's not what we're getting these playoffs.

I'm not sure I get the point of this critique. Sooo...even if we actually win Banner18 in what was supposed to be a transitional year, we should be concerned with how "elite" we really are because we haven't faced enough healthy teams even when every team is banged up at this point in the year?

[BostonCouchGM]

I think people have to keep things in context. This isn't a very good Warriors team. They came out of a very weak Western Conference beset by injuries to its biggest stars. Nuggets without Murray and MPJ, Clippers without Kawhi and George. AD and Lebron injured off/on all season, Zion missed all season, CP3 injured in the playoffs. They won the war of attrition and beat really weak teams to get to the Finals. They're old, Klay is coming off missing two years and has clearly lost a step, Green is seemingly more concerned about tweeting and podcasts than being a great player and they're very talented young players just aren't ready and former #2 pick Wiseman hasn't even played. This is why I felt it could be a 5 game series. They don't have an answer for us. Any other team we might have faced from the West would have given us a tougher matchup. While I'm happy we finally faced a healthy (relatively) team for once, we still won't really find out how elite we might be. Like, we know we're good. But can we be 2008 good? Can we be dynasty good? That only gets answered if we beat healthy elite teams and that's not what we're getting these playoffs.

I'm not sure I get the point of this critique. Sooo...even if we actually win Banner18 in what was supposed to be a transitional year, we should be concerned with how "elite" we really are because we haven't faced enough healthy teams even when every team is banged up at this point in the year?

Clearly didn’t get the point. I want to know if we are truly elite, capable of beating elite teams and maybe having a dynasty. Beating a weak Warriors team after surviving against injured teams doesn’t answer that for me. Are we going to be one and done because this was a fluke like the past several championships have been or do we have staying power and can beat elite, healthy teams? Not a critique but when you get triggered by everything I write and assume it’s “hate” or “trolling” I could see why you’d think that

[poopship]

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Terry Rozier, at #16 in 2015, was pretty good, too.

All homegrown basketball clubs at the top. Like it should be

[bucknersrevenge]

I think people have to keep things in context. This isn't a very good Warriors team. They came out of a very weak Western Conference beset by injuries to its biggest stars. Nuggets without Murray and MPJ, Clippers without Kawhi and George. AD and Lebron injured off/on all season, Zion missed all season, CP3 injured in the playoffs. They won the war of attrition and beat really weak teams to get to the Finals. They're old, Klay is coming off missing two years and has clearly lost a step, Green is seemingly more concerned about tweeting and podcasts than being a great player and they're very talented young players just aren't ready and former #2 pick Wiseman hasn't even played. This is why I felt it could be a 5 game series. They don't have an answer for us. Any other team we might have faced from the West would have given us a tougher matchup. While I'm happy we finally faced a healthy (relatively) team for once, we still won't really find out how elite we might be. Like, we know we're good. But can we be 2008 good? Can we be dynasty good? That only gets answered if we beat healthy elite teams and that's not what we're getting these playoffs.

I'm not sure I get the point of this critique. Sooo...even if we actually win Banner18 in what was supposed to be a transitional year, we should be concerned with how "elite" we really are because we haven't faced enough healthy teams even when every team is banged up at this point in the year?

Clearly didn’t get the point. I want to know if we are truly elite, capable of beating elite teams and maybe having a dynasty. Beating a weak Warriors team after surviving against injured teams doesn’t answer that for me. Are we going to be one and done because this was a fluke like the past several championships have been or do we have staying power and can beat elite, healthy teams? Not a critique but when you get triggered by everything I write and assume it’s “hate” or “trolling” I could see why you’d think that

You're right about that. I definitely did not get the point. I'm not triggered, my guy. Just wondering why winning Banner18 considering the season we've had wouldn't be its own reward? That's all. Why would we still have to prove anything to anyone? I mean, time will tell (as it always does) whether the Celtics can be dynastic. A number of factors will go into that, some, we have no control over, including health of opposing teams. But first things first man; let's get the one right? The time to talk about dynasties is probably a long way from now if we're honest.

[Gomes3PC]

Let's not forget that the supposedly legendary 08 Celtics struggled to beat a crappy Hawks team in Rd 1, barely beat a LeBron team with half the surrounding talent Giannis has, beat a washed Pistons crew, and then faced a Lakers team in the Finals that I think is pretty comparable in talent to this Dubs team.

Do I think this C's squad is an all time crew? Probably not. But they have played at that level now for close to 70 games and show no signs of letting up.

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[Bostondave]

Game 2 look for GS to make whatever "adjustments" they feel they need to. And then we'll see how the Celts respond. To be perfectly honest I don't really see anything that GS does effecting the Celts in all honesty. THey fundamentally softer than the teams the Celts went through in the EC. I saw them trying to be physical in game 1. But you can't really do that and perform at peak. Either your style is physcial or it isn't. Trying to be physical because you're trying to prove something to the world is only going to see your game suffer. It's really not a part of your DNA. In the East it just is, in the West not. Always has been.

So, GS will "adjust" and then we will see what the Celts do. If they hold true they could turn in a total flub, or they could score 70 points in any half, 42 points in any quarter. We've seen them do it. And then they're on there's not a goddamn thing GS can do about it. The celts in the zone are simply unstoppable.

So this is the game to see what the rest of the series will shake out to be. GS can make all the "adjustments" they want to. The Celts will do what they do regardless.

[Bostondave]

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[AgentGreen]

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They also took Shamet (26th) instead of Timelord (27th).

To be fair, Ainge would've picked Simmons as well if he had the 1st pick. But damn... talking about dynasties, Philly could've been a monster this decade.

[Bostondave]

OK I actually should've posted my thoughts in this thread. There's a modicum of some basketball analysis in this thread. The game threads are full of rah rah "Just win yhaaaaaaa" types.

Anybody want to argue that this squad just isn't ready yet? They need more seasoning and more experience? That theyt're not ready mentally yet? It's not a bad thing. It's taken many teams a few tries and disappointments before they finally broke through. Mainly at the hands of the old Celtics teams that smacked them down repeatedly until they finally broke through.

Anybody want to argue the counter-point? More time, experience and seasoning before this team breaks through. I saw the major adjustment GS made for game 2. And I realize that the Celts were right there. Trailing by onnly 2 at halftime. At that point it was anybody's game. Time for a mentally tough and ready Celts team to buckle down and bring it home.

Even despite the refs letting GS grab, slab, bump and foul and whistling every time a Celts breathed too hard on GS. But a part of mental toughness is putting on the big boy shorts and dealing with that ****. GS adjusted by taking away the perimeter. Well ok, so then you take it to the hole with force and power and force the action in the paint. Granted that takes away Horford's game and that weird push shot of his. D. White drives inside and then is like a trapped rat not knowing what to do. Marcus goes in weak. Tatum goes in and just throws himself into bodies looking for the foul. Brown is our best rim finisher and even he goes in looking for some tricky backboard english score.

I could type a lot more but anybody want to take the counter-argument that these boys just aren't ready mentally yet? Any explanation of why they don't just go cold, which is understandable. They go into spells where they almost seem to not know how to play basketball period. Period. And it's happened for ALL the series. Certainly the ECSF and ECF. Anybody got any explanations or counters?

I'll be one of the happiest **** on this board to be proven wrong. And won't hesiteate to say I'm wrong. But right now I don't think I'm wrong. This squad isn't ready yet. GS will not alllow for them to go into these maddening, frustrating, infuriating, inexplicable junior high level basketball play where it's understood that you just don't know how to play basketball yet.

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[bisme37]

Danny trying to steal our Assistant Coaches...

Celtics assistants Will Hardy, Joe Mazzulla to interview for Utah Jazz head coach opening (report)

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2022/06/celtics-assistants-will-hardy-joe-mazzulla-to-interview-for-utah-jazz-head-coach-opening-report.html

[Parliament10]

Danny trying to steal our Assistant Coaches...

Celtics assistants Will Hardy, Joe Mazzulla to interview for Utah Jazz head coach opening (report)

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2022/06/celtics-assistants-will-hardy-joe-mazzulla-to-interview-for-utah-jazz-head-coach-opening-report.html

Will Hardy is pretty decent. Hate to see him go. But, it wont be long, before he gets a head coaching gig.

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