2023 College Football Discussion

[ReasonablySober]

Ryan Day thinks it will take $13 million to keep the roster together.

Day said the Buckeyes have been gathering information by talking to recruits and their families and getting a sense of what other schools might be discussing with NIL deals. He said he believes right now top-shelf quarterbacks require $2 million in NIL money. Major offensive tackles and edge rushers he said are about $1 million.

If you can’t match that, other teams might have a chance to pluck key players from your roster. Day told the assembled potential NIL donors that every player on the team could go in the transfer portal when this season ends, and then field calls from other schools who might be offering NIL deals. Players may feel they have to take that money to help their families.

Unless Ohio State can offer enough to keep them here.

“One phone call, and they’re out the door,” Day said. “We cannot let that happen at Ohio State. I’m not trying to sound the alarm, I’m just trying to be transparent about what we’re dealing with.”

To deal with it, Day set the bar at $13 million. That would include money offered to players by the outside collectives that have already formed to pay Ohio State players. And it would include this new brand ambassador program. As outlined in the 10-page color brochure, no NIL deal can demand that the player stay at Ohio State in order to be paid. And the NIL deals can’t be directly tied for performance -- no touchdown bonuses.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Ryan Day thinks it will take $13 million to keep the roster together.

Day said the Buckeyes have been gathering information by talking to recruits and their families and getting a sense of what other schools might be discussing with NIL deals. He said he believes right now top-shelf quarterbacks require $2 million in NIL money. Major offensive tackles and edge rushers he said are about $1 million.

If you can’t match that, other teams might have a chance to pluck key players from your roster. Day told the assembled potential NIL donors that every player on the team could go in the transfer portal when this season ends, and then field calls from other schools who might be offering NIL deals. Players may feel they have to take that money to help their families.

Unless Ohio State can offer enough to keep them here.

“One phone call, and they’re out the door,” Day said. “We cannot let that happen at Ohio State. I’m not trying to sound the alarm, I’m just trying to be transparent about what we’re dealing with.”

To deal with it, Day set the bar at $13 million. That would include money offered to players by the outside collectives that have already formed to pay Ohio State players. And it would include this new brand ambassador program. As outlined in the 10-page color brochure, no NIL deal can demand that the player stay at Ohio State in order to be paid. And the NIL deals can’t be directly tied for performance -- no touchdown bonuses.

I feel this should destroy college sports (which I would totally be ok with), but nope, money from donors will continue to flow to these sports and take away from the actual purpose of college.

[sdn40]

Those that didn't see this coming from a million miles away - and there were a ton of you - can now see why Pandora's box shouldn't have been opened

[Treebeard]

Those that didn't see this coming from a million miles away - and there were a ton of you - can now see why Pandora's box shouldn't have been opened

Oh hogwash. This was coming one way or the other. College sports at the top level is and has been a professional operation for a long time. Now, finally the players themselves can cash in legitimately, without the dishonest fig leaf of "amateurism" being trotted out by the shills of the NCAA. It was and is corrupt.

The tail(boosters) wags the dog at the NCAA. The brass at the NCAA just smile and nod and pretend all is well. Or, if the heat does get turned up, the brass clutches their pearls, and goes "oh dear, oh my, who knew?"

[sdn40]

Those that didn't see this coming from a million miles away - and there were a ton of you - can now see why Pandora's box shouldn't have been opened

Oh hogwash. This was coming one way or the other. College sports at the top level is and has been a professional operation for a long time. Now, finally the players themselves can cash in legitimately, without the dishonest fig leaf of "amateurism" being trotted out by the shills of the NCAA. It was and is corrupt.

The tail(boosters) wags the dog at the NCAA. The brass at the NCAA just smile and nod and pretend all is well. Or, if the heat does get turned up, the brass clutches their pearls, and goes "oh dear, oh my, who knew?"

Hogwash back at ya. College basketball players were starving to death and needed to cash in too. How did that work out ? How many were helped compared to how many ended up worse off and flipping burgers ? This is just another fail that does nothing but further the gap between the haves and have nots. Both players and teams. There are 100 reasons why this will fail miserably and we will hear stories about each and every one of them within 3 years.

[Treebeard]

Those that didn't see this coming from a million miles away - and there were a ton of you - can now see why Pandora's box shouldn't have been opened

Oh hogwash. This was coming one way or the other. College sports at the top level is and has been a professional operation for a long time. Now, finally the players themselves can cash in legitimately, without the dishonest fig leaf of "amateurism" being trotted out by the shills of the NCAA. It was and is corrupt.

The tail(boosters) wags the dog at the NCAA. The brass at the NCAA just smile and nod and pretend all is well. Or, if the heat does get turned up, the brass clutches their pearls, and goes "oh dear, oh my, who knew?"

Hogwash back at ya. College basketball players were starving to death and needed to cash in too. How did that work out. This is just another fail that does nothing but further the gap between the haves and have nots. Both players and teams.

The NCAA has always run a sham show. When their failings become glaringly obvious to everyone, the NCAA brass does what they've ALWAYS done: wring their hands, propose some pious sounding fixes that accomplish nothing, except to kick the can down the road for the next batch of NCAA Administrators to lather, rinse, repeat. The NCAA brass has no interest in fixing anything.

[sdn40]

Oh hogwash. This was coming one way or the other. College sports at the top level is and has been a professional operation for a long time. Now, finally the players themselves can cash in legitimately, without the dishonest fig leaf of "amateurism" being trotted out by the shills of the NCAA. It was and is corrupt.

The tail(boosters) wags the dog at the NCAA. The brass at the NCAA just smile and nod and pretend all is well. Or, if the heat does get turned up, the brass clutches their pearls, and goes "oh dear, oh my, who knew?"

Hogwash back at ya. College basketball players were starving to death and needed to cash in too. How did that work out. This is just another fail that does nothing but further the gap between the haves and have nots. Both players and teams.

The NCAA has always run a sham show. When their failings become glaringly obvious to everyone, the NCAA brass does what they've ALWAYS done: wring their hands, propose some pious sounding fixes that accomplish nothing, except to kick the can down the road for the next batch of NCAA Administrators to lather, rinse, repeat. The NCAA brass has no interest in fixing anything.

Screaming about the NCAA is not my argument.

[BUCKnation]

College athletes at relevant programs were not starving, they were living good. I knew walk ons at UW who got a bunch of gear, a free scooter and food/study programs. They weren't however getting compensated enough for what they were providing to the university. I'll admit, I'm not the biggest fan of the free agency aspect (just personally), but I do think the players should be empowered and take advantage in the value they provide.

[midranger]

I can’t see college sports making it more than a decade with the current set up.

Boosters aren’t going to have millions and millions of dollars to donate every single season for no value back other than an ego stroke and maybe an extra win or two on the field.

The ordinary Joe-shmoo fan will grow sucks if watching a worse version of professional football with constant free agency and no salary cap for parity.

>90% of the teams will realize the can’t/don’t want to compete and kind of just opt out.

[ReasonablySober]

If anything this is making the sport more popular.

[sdn40]

Does the worker at Amazon get compensated enough relative to the billions he helps provide ??
A free education, free room and board, free meals, free personal trainer, free gym membership, free coaching, free apprenticeship with a chance to make millions. I'm not sure what that adds up to in value, but I'm not feeling sorry for any of them. Most importantly, it is a voluntary scholarship. They are free to decline or bail at any time and pay the $25,000 per year as a regular student and be free of the heavy burden of playing football, also freeing up their precious time to get a part time job to buy burgers and condoms. They are also free to join the work force. I hear Amazon is hiring. I didn't count, but that's a lot of free for an 18 year old who was probably gifted a 2.3 gpa in high school far more than earning it.

[ReasonablySober]

Does the worker at Amazon get compensated enough relative to the billions he helps provide ??
A free education, free room and board, free meals, free personal trainer, free gym membership, free coaching, free apprenticeship with a chance to make millions. I'm not sure what that adds up to in value, but I'm not feeling sorry for any of them. Most importantly, it is a voluntary scholarship. They are free to decline or bail at any time and pay the $25,000 per year as a regular student and be free of the heavy burden of playing football, also freeing up their precious time to get a part time job to buy burgers and condoms. They are also free to join the work force. I hear Amazon is hiring. I didn't count, but that's a lot of free for an 18 year old who was probably gifted a 2.3 gpa in high school far more than earning it.

I think the coaches should be paid in free tuition too. It's really that valuable.

[Kerb Hohl]

It's a capitalist business, so the more this stuff goes, the more I do think that they'll find a way to stay relevant/popular, however, things will change/be different.

-How long will schools like Vanderbilt, Arkansas, South Carolina, etc. that are going to basically stand in as the Washington Generals for the rest of the super SEC want to deal with that? I know they did this before but now there are more powerhouses being added.

-Will there be some sort of system/cap put in place? I understand the arms race will excite some and I understand that spending on facilities/coaches + under the table spending used to be uneven before, but I think this will just set in stone the inequity for the most part. I realize this isn't wildly different than it used to be, but it will just further set it in, IMO.

-If it breaks even further into a superleague, it's going to render even more teams that were once 2nd-tier teams into watered down mediocrity.

-Will donors eventually start pulling back on giving out big $ to 17-year-olds if they end up with several busts in a row.

[sdn40]

Does the worker at Amazon get compensated enough relative to the billions he helps provide ??
A free education, free room and board, free meals, free personal trainer, free gym membership, free coaching, free apprenticeship with a chance to make millions. I'm not sure what that adds up to in value, but I'm not feeling sorry for any of them. Most importantly, it is a voluntary scholarship. They are free to decline or bail at any time and pay the $25,000 per year as a regular student and be free of the heavy burden of playing football, also freeing up their precious time to get a part time job to buy burgers and condoms. They are also free to join the work force. I hear Amazon is hiring. I didn't count, but that's a lot of free for an 18 year old who was probably gifted a 2.3 gpa in high school far more than earning it.

I think the coaches should be paid in free tuition too. It's really that valuable.

Typical

[M-C-G]

I think colleges made way too much off kids before. I also think paying kids in this kind of way is a terrible idea.

No idea if this is the best or worst thing possible for the college football game. I suspect it becomes its undoing.

[BUCKnation]

I'm surprised the NCAA just took the full reins off. I figured at minimum they should have dipped their toes in and given players their image rights or allow them to profit off their name if the university was selling their jersey or something.

[TroyD92]

Does the worker at Amazon get compensated enough relative to the billions he helps provide ??
A free education, free room and board, free meals, free personal trainer, free gym membership, free coaching, free apprenticeship with a chance to make millions. I'm not sure what that adds up to in value, but I'm not feeling sorry for any of them. Most importantly, it is a voluntary scholarship. They are free to decline or bail at any time and pay the $25,000 per year as a regular student and be free of the heavy burden of playing football, also freeing up their precious time to get a part time job to buy burgers and condoms. They are also free to join the work force. I hear Amazon is hiring. I didn't count, but that's a lot of free for an 18 year old who was probably gifted a 2.3 gpa in high school far more than earning it.

I think the coaches should be paid in free tuition too. It's really that valuable.

Typical

Indubitably

[ReasonablySober]

I think the coaches should be paid in free tuition too. It's really that valuable.

Typical

Indubitably

Irrefutably

[ReasonablySober]

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Hook 'em.

[midranger]

USC and UCLA to big ten.

We’re in the endgame now