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If we aren’t trading 26 for a upgraded center then I think trading with Orlando for 32 and 35 is for sure the play. Basically it would mean that instead of getting out choice of Jalen Williams/Dalen Terry/Jake Laravia/Wendell Moore/Christian Koloko we would just see who falls.
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BeiBeau wrote:If we aren’t trading 26 for a upgraded center then I think trading with Orlando for 32 and 35 is for sure the play. Basically it would mean that instead of getting out choice of Jalen Williams/Dalen Terry/Jake Laravia/Wendell Moore/Christian Koloko we would just see who falls.
Still got issues with roster spots. Dont really think we can fit 2 rookies unless thwy are guarenteed to be in the rotation and by that making it worth to paying to dump other to make room
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BeiBeau wrote:If we aren’t trading 26 for a upgraded center then I think trading with Orlando for 32 and 35 is for sure the play. Basically it would mean that instead of getting out choice of Jalen Williams/Dalen Terry/Jake Laravia/Wendell Moore/Christian Koloko we would just see who falls.
I mentioned that very trade a while back.
Pick Kamagate and Koloko and see which one sticks. Maybe we get lucky with both.
Not sure there is a huge gap in talent between 26 and 35.
Plus, we aren't committed with 2nd rounders.
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Teffer10 wrote:BeiBeau wrote:If we aren’t trading 26 for a upgraded center then I think trading with Orlando for 32 and 35 is for sure the play. Basically it would mean that instead of getting out choice of Jalen Williams/Dalen Terry/Jake Laravia/Wendell Moore/Christian Koloko we would just see who falls.
I mentioned that very trade a while back.
Pick Kamagate and Koloko and see which one sticks. Maybe we get lucky with both.
Not sure there is a huge gap in talent between 26 and 35.
Plus, we aren't committed with 2nd rounders.
I’m much higher on Koloko then Kamagate. I think if Koloko is their at 32 take him and then hope for Wednel Moore/Dalen Terry/Jake Laravia to be at 35. That gives us some wing depth.
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I too suggested we drop down with Orlando back I think before we got eliminated by GSW. I like Kamagate but he may take too long to develop into something we can play regularly.
I like him more than Koloko but I also like Orlando Robinson as a 7' offensive weapon that can hit a 3 pointer and Kofi Cockburn as a banger who can jump like crazy and dunk over anyone. Those 2 provide better options on offense but lack a little with their blocking possibly due to their being counted on bearing so much of the offensive burden.
they could go anywhere in the 2nd or go undrafted. I have seen mocks with Orlando in the 1st. Kofi had a top 5 vertical measurement for centers at the combine and that is an impressive feat for a 7' 300# old school center
That puts him at the top of my list for banging it out in the middle as a defender that will keep the other teams out of the paint.
Kamagate and Koloko are mostly defensive shot blockers with limited offense unlike a juggernaut on offense like Kofi could become. His body and size alone will keep people from trying to attack the rim and I like having that kind of deterrent but I want to balance his pick with Robinson or Kamagate because I am considering him still somewhat of a gamble. Robinsons 3 ball is strong enough for him to be used as a stretch 4.
Starters: Luka Bullock DFS Brunson Powell and we need to trade Powell
2nd team: THJ Dinwiddie Green Kleeber Ntilikina
3rd team: Boban Burke Bertans Chriss Brown
16 &17 ROOKIE #1 ROOKIE #2
Obviously Boban Burke Powell & Brown need to be dumped in some form or fashion. Chriss needs to come into training camp and impress or get gone as well. Bertans is stuck here because of his contract but he will make a nice expiring to get someone else when his contract is expiring.
With 3 or 4 guys leaving that opens spots on the roster.
If Boban and Brown are traded or stretch waived then we would have 2 more spots on the roster. Trading makes more sense I think both would contribute on a lesser team.
Burke is a luxury item that we no longer need if we resign Brunson and keep Din and Kin
Powell will take some wheeling and dealing to get something for him and he was playing out of position
If you ask me he is more of a power forward. He even started to hit around 40% on 3's though it was streaky and nowhere near enough to be worthy of this teams roster. As a center he sucked but as a PF he may do better.
I too suggested we drop down with Orlando back I think before we got eliminated by GSW. I like Kamagate but he may take too long to develop into something we can play regularly.
I like him more than Koloko but I also like Orlando Robinson as a 7' offensive weapon that can hit a 3 pointer and Kofi Cockburn as a banger who can jump like crazy and dunk over anyone. Those 2 provide better options on offense but lack a little with their blocking possibly due to their being counted on bearing so much of the offensive burden.
they could go anywhere in the 2nd or go undrafted. I have seen mocks with Orlando in the 1st. Kofi had a top 5 vertical measurement for centers at the combine and that is an impressive feat for a 7' 300# old school center
That puts him at the top of my list for banging it out in the middle as a defender that will keep the other teams out of the paint.
Kamagate and Koloko are mostly defensive shot blockers with limited offense unlike a juggernaut on offense like Kofi could become. His body and size alone will keep people from trying to attack the rim and I like having that kind of deterrent but I want to balance his pick with Robinson or Kamagate because I am considering him still somewhat of a gamble. Robinsons 3 ball is strong enough for him to be used as a stretch 4.
Starters: Luka Bullock DFS Brunson Powell and we need to trade Powell
2nd team: THJ Dinwiddie Green Kleeber Ntilikina
3rd team: Boban Burke Bertans Chriss Brown
16 &17 ROOKIE #1 ROOKIE #2
Obviously Boban Burke Powell & Brown need to be dumped in some form or fashion. Chriss needs to come into training camp and impress or get gone as well. Bertans is stuck here because of his contract but he will make a nice expiring to get someone else when his contract is expiring.
With 3 or 4 guys leaving that opens spots on the roster.
If Boban and Brown are traded or stretch waived then we would have 2 more spots on the roster. Trading makes more sense I think both would contribute on a lesser team.
Burke is a luxury item that we no longer need if we resign Brunson and keep Din and Kin
Powell will take some wheeling and dealing to get something for him and he was playing out of position
If you ask me he is more of a power forward. He even started to hit around 40% on 3's though it was streaky and nowhere near enough to be worthy of this teams roster. As a center he sucked but as a PF he may do better.
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I too suggested we drop down with Orlando back I think before we got eliminated by GSW. I like Kamagate but he may take too long to develop into something we can play regularly.
I like him more than Koloko but I also like Orlando Robinson as a 7' offensive weapon that can hit a 3 pointer and Kofi Cockburn as a banger who can jump like crazy and dunk over anyone. Those 2 provide better options on offense but lack a little with their blocking possibly due to their being counted on bearing so much of the offensive burden.
they could go anywhere in the 2nd or go undrafted. I have seen mocks with Orlando in the 1st. Kofi had a top 5 vertical measurement for centers at the combine and that is an impressive feat for a 7' 300# old school center
That puts him at the top of my list for banging it out in the middle as a defender that will keep the other teams out of the paint.
Kamagate and Koloko are mostly defensive shot blockers with limited offense unlike a juggernaut on offense like Kofi could become. His body and size alone will keep people from trying to attack the rim and I like having that kind of deterrent but I want to balance his pick with Robinson or Kamagate because I am considering him still somewhat of a gamble. Robinsons 3 ball is strong enough for him to be used as a stretch 4.
Starters: Luka Bullock DFS Brunson Powell and we need to trade Powell
2nd team: THJ Dinwiddie Green Kleeber Ntilikina
3rd team: Boban Burke Bertans Chriss Brown
16 &17 ROOKIE #1 ROOKIE #2
Obviously Boban Burke Powell & Brown need to be dumped in some form or fashion. Chriss needs to come into training camp and impress or get gone as well. Bertans is stuck here because of his contract but he will make a nice expiring to get someone else when his contract is expiring.
With 3 or 4 guys leaving that opens spots on the roster.
If Boban and Brown are traded or stretch waived then we would have 2 more spots on the roster. Trading makes more sense I think both would contribute on a lesser team.
Burke is a luxury item that we no longer need if we resign Brunson and keep Din and Kin
Powell will take some wheeling and dealing to get something for him and he was playing out of position
If you ask me he is more of a power forward. He even started to hit around 40% on 3's though it was streaky and nowhere near enough to be worthy of this teams roster. As a center he sucked but as a PF he may do better.
Kofi is definitely intriguing but he is a carbon copy of Udoka Azubuike.
Comparisons...
Vertical:
Kofi - 46"
Dok - 43"
Height:
Kofi - 6'11
Dok - 6'11
Weight:
Kofi - 290
Dok - 280
Wingspan:
Kofi - 7'4
Dok - 7'7
Utah might decide to move Dok into the rotation if Rudy gets traded and Whiteside moves on, but I'm not sure if that type of center will ever be much more than a backup. I think we could trade for Dok or just sign Whiteside because they would at least have more experience.
Robinson is certainly a good prospect but can't defend the perimeter and is not a great paint defender. His game is more like Hartenstein's which wouldn't necessarily be bad fit. He apparently has a high BBIQ as well.
Kamagate has more potential imo because he can defend all over the court and defend and rebound in the paint which is something we desperately need. He also supposedly has a shooting form that can be developed. I've read comparisons to Capela.
Koloko is just a raw beast that would be nice to have and worth a chance at 35.
But I'd be happy with any combination of those 4 at 32 and 35 because it would give us 2 chances to get lucky instead of one.
I have a feeling Orlando would feel the same way though and not make that trade.
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Kenny Chandler, anyone?
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As long as we dont draft no pgs or small players, or some giant that is unplayable, im kinda fine. Just get us some good sized wing of some kind
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If we don't trade it I'd want Kessler if he's still available at 26, which depends on the mock. Truly full sized big who we wouldn't have to wait to fill out and the best rim protector in the draft. 9' 5" standing reach, 4.6 blocks per game with only 2.6 fouls
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MrGoat wrote:If we don't trade it I'd want Kessler if he's still available at 26, which depends on the mock. Truly full sized big who we wouldn't have to wait to fill out and the best rim protector in the draft. 9' 5" standing reach, 4.6 blocks per game with only 2.6 fouls
From the draft guys he sounds like he wont be good at nba level. Feels like a wasted pick. Can always sign the bobans and tackos for small contracts.
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Hope to God they draft a big wing instead of a center.
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If we keep the pick, I'd rather just draft the best player available regardless of position.
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I am excited to see if Nico is a better drafter then Donnie Nelson and I already feel confident that J-Kidd is better at developing young talent. At the very least J-Kidd trust young talent more and gives them the green light and confidence to learn by trial.
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MrGoat wrote:If we don't trade it I'd want Kessler if he's still available at 26, which depends on the mock. Truly full sized big who we wouldn't have to wait to fill out and the best rim protector in the draft. 9' 5" standing reach, 4.6 blocks per game with only 2.6 fouls
I don’t want Kessler at all. He’s a block hunter and misses good contests sometimes because he’s going for the block instead. He’s also got bad foot speed on the perimeter. Maybe I’m wrong and he’s Jakob Poetl but I see him as Jeff Withey. I am WAY higher on Koloko and Kamagate.
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BeiBeau wrote:MrGoat wrote:If we don't trade it I'd want Kessler if he's still available at 26, which depends on the mock. Truly full sized big who we wouldn't have to wait to fill out and the best rim protector in the draft. 9' 5" standing reach, 4.6 blocks per game with only 2.6 fouls
I don’t want Kessler at all. He’s a block hunter and misses good contests sometimes because he’s going for the block instead. He’s also got bad foot speed on the perimeter. Maybe I’m wrong and he’s Jakob Poetl but I see him as Jeff Withey. I am WAY higher on Koloko and Kamagate.
His 155 blocks this season is the highest total by any player in college since Anthony Davis in 2012, and that's while committing less fouls per game than Koloko. Even if he is a block hunter that's a tendency that can be fixed and he's better at it than anybody in the past decade, the guy is a serious paint presence. Not a fan of Koloko, he's going to get shoved around down low like Dwight Powell. Kamagate doesn't really bring anything Marquese Chriss already does. Kessler at least gives us a different look and a big body that can actually run the floor unlike Boban. If he's still available at 26 I think it's a no brainer. The Vogel offense offense Kidd runs needs a rim protector, our defense fell off a cliff after KP played his last game for a reason
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MrGoat wrote:BeiBeau wrote:MrGoat wrote:If we don't trade it I'd want Kessler if he's still available at 26, which depends on the mock. Truly full sized big who we wouldn't have to wait to fill out and the best rim protector in the draft. 9' 5" standing reach, 4.6 blocks per game with only 2.6 fouls
I don’t want Kessler at all. He’s a block hunter and misses good contests sometimes because he’s going for the block instead. He’s also got bad foot speed on the perimeter. Maybe I’m wrong and he’s Jakob Poetl but I see him as Jeff Withey. I am WAY higher on Koloko and Kamagate.
His 155 blocks this season is the highest total by any player in college since Anthony Davis in 2012, and that's while committing less fouls per game than Koloko. Even if he is a block hunter that's a tendency that can be fixed and he's better at it than anybody in the past decade, the guy is a serious paint presence. Not a fan of Koloko, he's going to get shoved around down low like Dwight Powell. Kamagate doesn't really bring anything Marquese Chriss already does. Kessler at least gives us a different look and a big body that can actually run the floor unlike Boban. If he's still available at 26 I think it's a no brainer. The Vogel offense offense Kidd runs needs a rim protector, our defense fell off a cliff after KP played his last game for a reason
Already got that different look in boban. I think whatever team draft him will regret it. If he goes in 2nd round he moght get to stay a full year and then be out of the nba. Slow feet and go for the block every time is a disaster in nba.
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MrGoat wrote:BeiBeau wrote:MrGoat wrote:If we don't trade it I'd want Kessler if he's still available at 26, which depends on the mock. Truly full sized big who we wouldn't have to wait to fill out and the best rim protector in the draft. 9' 5" standing reach, 4.6 blocks per game with only 2.6 fouls
I don’t want Kessler at all. He’s a block hunter and misses good contests sometimes because he’s going for the block instead. He’s also got bad foot speed on the perimeter. Maybe I’m wrong and he’s Jakob Poetl but I see him as Jeff Withey. I am WAY higher on Koloko and Kamagate.
His 155 blocks this season is the highest total by any player in college since Anthony Davis in 2012, and that's while committing less fouls per game than Koloko. Even if he is a block hunter that's a tendency that can be fixed and he's better at it than anybody in the past decade, the guy is a serious paint presence. Not a fan of Koloko, he's going to get shoved around down low like Dwight Powell. Kamagate doesn't really bring anything Marquese Chriss already does. Kessler at least gives us a different look and a big body that can actually run the floor unlike Boban. If he's still available at 26 I think it's a no brainer. The Vogel offense offense Kidd runs needs a rim protector, our defense fell off a cliff after KP played his last game for a reason
He’s full on a walking bust. If Dallas take him in 5 years he will join the company of Shane Larkin and Dennis Smith Jr as awful draft decisions Dallas has made.
Stat hunting blocks is not something that is just **fixed** it’s a mind set. That’s like saying yeah this dude has a low motor but if we draft him it will be **fixed**. He doesn’t have the foot speed to play in the NBA. He will be a nightmare on switches and he’s not even that good at contesting shots. 40 good contests on and 0 blocks is way better then 10 good contests and 5 blocks and it’s not even close.
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Let's don't put too much hope on that #26 pick, it is just a mircale to draft a good player in such late pick, Jalen Brunson case just don't come out so often. The last time we have done something like that is already Josh Howard in 2003, so it in average takes 15 years to come across similar thing again.
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MrGoat wrote:If we don't trade it I'd want Kessler if he's still available at 26, which depends on the mock. Truly full sized big who we wouldn't have to wait to fill out and the best rim protector in the draft. 9' 5" standing reach, 4.6 blocks per game with only 2.6 fouls
Me, too. Klesser would excel at least as a shot blocker and somewhat a rebounder. I can care less about the rest. I think, at least, it's a very fine trade piece to have. If Orlando somehow keeps Bamba with QO, I think offering Klesser and a first could be a done deal by deadline. At 26th, Klesser is actually good value if we were to draft a frontcourt player. Many bigs are long and athletic. But you''ve to take intangible into account. At least, you get a Dedmon in Klesser. Normally, 26th pick is out of the league in a year or two. But I think Klesser would be a rotation piece.
To excel in the Mavs system, intelligent and work ethics are a must. I think Klesser should be body frame to excel as a dirty work player. But it takes reasonable jumpshots and excellent body frame (like Stewart, Grant or R.Williams) to be a Mavs starter. I don't think athleticism is far off. And I believe Klesser is smart in switch and has been on big stage with Jabari Smith. I think these experience translate well in NBA. I am really concern about shooting, though. Everything else, it's not a red flag moving forward. I think Klesser has stronger athleticism and competitiveness than Bamba. However, let be real, if Klesser does not have these shortcoming, then there's no reason to last until the Mavs draft.
At lot of teams might not want a non-shooting big. Look at Biyombo's career, you'd understand. There's a reason an excellent shotblocker offered veteran minimum.