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[th87]

Definitely in the top 4, possible higher. My criteria is whether a coach gets the most out of the talent he's given.

This season the Jazz were first in offensive rating and 10th in defensive rating, both ahead of the Bucks. Whose talent would you rather have? Snyder is particularly known as an offensive mastermind, by none other than Bud.

Has never made it out of the second round, especially last two years where they had the clearly better team. Also the teams he’s lost too went on to be cannon fodder for the real elite teams.

His time and talent level in Utah is very comparable to buds time and talent in Atlanta, I would take the last two jazz rosters over those hawks too.

Your analysis of the Jazz talent is certainly different than mine. Snyder has done more with less than most coaches in the league.

And unless you can tell me what he did wrong (as I have detailed about Bud), then looking at playoff record doesn't move me at all.

I will repeat again, the only sensible criteria in evaluating a coach is what he does with the talent he has. This year he has the top rated offense and the tenth rated defense, well above the Bucks, who have a more talented team.

A coach can be great and not make the playoffs and a mediocre coach can win a championship (and no, I don't think Bud is a mediocre coach).It's why I think Thibs has done the best coaching job in the NBA the last two seasons. He has, in my view, one of the least talented teams in the league.

Would I want Thibs coaching the Bucks? heck no, but that's another discussion.

I don't know how good Snyder is, but using regular season rankings shouldn't be a factor in assessing this.

The regular season is where Bud can drop-defense and 3-spam this roster to an automatic 55-60 wins.

[machu46]

Klay Thompson is doing one hell of a Grayson Allen impression against Boston.

I'm still erring on the side of giving Klay a break this year. After the injury issues he has had the past two years, next year will be the big gauge of where he's now at as a player. But early returns this series don't look good. His movement looks a lot slower than it used to be.

Yeah, I think we’ve seen enough cases of guys taking 2ish years to be fully back from ACLs and what not to give him a break here. He went nearly 3 years without playing didnt he? I wouldn’t say I’m confident he’s ever the same guy again but I’m not writing him off yet.


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[jschligs]

I still think Golden State wins. Kerr made good adjustments and if it wasn’t for an insane 4th quarter of shooting GS would be up 2-0. I think this goes to 7 regardless. I think it’ll be 2-2 and then they’ll each get home wins.

I have fantasies of Curry and Giannis on the same team. Could you imagine that pick and roll?

[soxperry]

Good.

**** Boston. Golden State plays like Milwaukee. No flopping, just ball.

**** Boston.

[emunney]

I'm ambivalent on whether I wanted it to happen (I lean yes) but Draymond definitely *should* have been ejected in the 1st half.

[LuessiT]

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Mitchell probably stays put. Gobert getting traded?

[paulpressey25]

Is the consensus that Danny Ainge has full power in Utah right now?

[RiotPunch]

Is the consensus that Danny Ainge has full power in Utah right now?

Just close your eyes and try to imagine Justin Zanik taking command of a room with Danny Ainge in it.

[Ron Swanson]

The first thing you probably need to ask yourself if you're the Jazz, is if Mitchell is even a good enough player worth "building around". Because I don't really see an easy path to contender status without a hard reset. And if the rumors are true that Mitchell's already angling to play elsewhere, then I don't see the point in trading Gobert and grinding out a bunch of 45-win seasons.

[RiotPunch]

The first thing you probably need to ask yourself if you're the Jazz, is if Mitchell is even a good enough player worth "building around". Because I don't really see an easy path to contender status without a hard reset. And if the rumors are true that Mitchell's already angling to play elsewhere, then I don't see the point in trading Gobert and grinding out a bunch of 45-win seasons.

Plus, their 1st next season is Top-10 protected, or going to OKC, and Mitchell + whatever your get for Gobert might put you in that 11-16 NBA purgatory range.

[raferfenix]

Whether the Jazz really intend to keep Mitchell or not they probably take the same hardline stance they are currently taking either way.

What teams do we think put in the biggest offers to get him?

[Profound23]

After watching Grant and Smart's antics with Giannis (creating contact, grabbing his arm, and falling to the ground at times taking Giannis with him, which created fouls out of thin air) how can anyone dislike watching Green do the same thing to him and the rest of that team?

I am not even a fan of Green, but it is great to see karma in action.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Couple of comments on the 3pt discussion.

I'm skeptical moving the line back will help, guys will just take longer 3s.

Some officiating things could help, like actually call moving screens so guys can't get as many easy looks.

Maybe adjust the illegal D rules so defensive bigs can't camp out down low as much. I think one of the reasons 3s are up is defenses have gotten better at taking away shots at the rim.

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[FrieAaron]

Couple of comments on the 3pt discussion.

I'm skeptical moving the line back will help, guys will just take longer 3s.

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I think the idea is that it would change the math on the value of the three being way higher than a midrange shot.

I do agree that another option would be to let reffing favor the defense a little more. I don't remember ever seeing players fall to the floor on a jump shot looking for fouls as we have in the last few years. And a finger grazing a shooters arm is 2 free throws, while you often allow dudes to get hacked if they're in the paint. Allow a bit of contact - make these dudes pass it to open teammates. Obviously you'd still call over aggression or closeouts where they are clearly moving under the player, but I'm not sure how you really defend a good jump shooter right now. Seems like they're always going to be able to get at least a decent shot.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Couple of comments on the 3pt discussion.

I'm skeptical moving the line back will help, guys will just take longer 3s.

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I think the idea is that it would change the math on the value of the three being way higher than a midrange shot.

I do agree that another option would be to let reffing favor the defense a little more. I don't remember ever seeing players fall to the floor on a jump shot looking for fouls as we have in the last few years. And a finger grazing a shooters arm is 2 free throws, while you often allow dudes to get hacked if they're in the paint. Allow a bit of contact - make these dudes pass it to open teammates. Obviously you'd still call over aggression or closeouts where they are clearly moving under the player, but I'm not sure how you really defend a good jump shooter right now. Seems like they're always going to be able to get at least a decent shot.

I get how making the shot a lower % shot would work in theory. I just think guys would practice from the new distance and still shoot them. % would drop some but my guess is not enough to actually discourage guys from shooting them.

I mentioned the other day the best (but unlikely) solution is to litterally change the math, make current 2s worth 3 and 3s worth 4.

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[GregAz]

Couple of comments on the 3pt discussion.

I'm skeptical moving the line back will help, guys will just take longer 3s.

Some officiating things could help, like actually call moving screens so guys can't get as many easy looks.

Maybe adjust the illegal D rules so defensive bigs can't camp out down low as much. I think one of the reasons 3s are up is defenses have gotten better at taking away shots at the rim.

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I see a lot of people suggesting widening the court, moving the 3 point line, increasing ball size or shrinking rim size. I would like to suggest lowering the ceiling to prevent shooting with enough arch on the ball to hit a 3.

[crkone]

I suggest three basketball hoops on each end and a 4 point line. Let's get nuts.

[RiotPunch]

I suggest three basketball hoops on each end and a 4 point line. Let's get nuts.

Just turn the paint into trampolines and make dunks 3 points as well, IMO.

[Licensed to Il]

There are some funny wise ass comments in this thread.

But there are some legit points, I think the NBA could really clean up the game (if they wanted to) with more consistent officiating (less superstar leniency), taking away the Bam and Draymond comically moving screens, and calling post play tighter (they let you wail on post players). I think these are all subtle changes that the talking head types wouldn't even notice. But that would lead to a much more watchable product.

I think the reason this won't happen, is that the TV ratings go up when scoring is up, and superstars are putting up mega stats. The league is listening to the casuals, not the league pass junkies.

[WeekapaugGroove]

There are some funny wise ass comments in this thread.

But there are some legit points, I think the NBA could really clean up the game (if they wanted to) with more consistent officiating (less superstar leniency), taking away the Bam and Draymond comically moving screens, and calling post play tighter (they let you wail on post players). I think these are all subtle changes that the talking head types wouldn't even notice. But that would lead to a much more watchable product.

I think the reason this won't happen, is that the TV ratings go up when scoring is up, and superstars are putting up mega stats. The league is listening to the casuals, not the league pass junkies.

I don't have an issue with scoring. I'm old enough to remember the 90s, we don't need to go back to ugly rock fights. Just give me a little more variety vs every team shooting a million 3s a game.

Non 3 related the god damn take foul needs to go, fast breaks are fun. Also they need to take a hard look at the replay system, currently it absolutely kills the flow.

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