[Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy

[Madhouse]

OG has the 7th most win shares from his draft class and would probably be a spot or two higher if he played more games. If you did a re-draft, he'd be one of the top picks. If you review all the recent drafts, OG would go in the top 10 in re-drafts.

Around draft time, people tend overestimate what you actually get at pick #7. The chances are, the player you take won't be as good as OG. If you look at the last 10 #7 overall picks, there's probably only 1 guy you'd take over OG, Jamal Murray, and even he's a question mark now given his injury. The last 10 #7 picks include H Barnes, Noel, Randle, Mudiay, Murray, Markkanen, Carter Jr, C White, Hayes, Kuminga.

Even as well as the Raptors draft, the quality of player you get is still somewhat dependent on the strength of the draft. If the Raps are really sure about a player at #7, maybe you consider it, but coming out ahead in a trade like this is still tough.

Obviously they wouldn’t consider it if they didn’t have faith in a particular guy at 7 though, so that’s kind of a moot point


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Seems like they're not a fan of the guys at 7, at least not enough to give up OG, otherwise the deal would be done.

They could like 1 guy and they aren't sure if that guy will be available at 7.

[Madhouse]

If we disregard Pascal and Fred as future building blocks, and just look at what we could do to put another star beside Scottie, this starts to make a lot of sense, even if only because OG is always injured. On the court he's a perfect fit and we shouldn't trade him, but he's clearly not hoping to evolve into a main scorer. If Masai sees a 1A alpha available at 7 I'd rather he take the chance on that than keep OG.

We're attached to Pascal and Fred ffs could you imagine how excited we would be if we truly built around Scotty and another blue chip prospect? Best part is we don't even have to sacrifice our winning culture we've built cuz we'll still have Fred and Pascal to give us a few more winning regular seasons until the young guys are ready. It's a step back in the short term but an investment into our future and I personally hope Masai and Bobby take it.

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I hear you but you and I both know they won't be taking a step back next season. All things from Masai point to let FVV/Siakam/OG continue to grow and Scottie/Precious/Trent right behind them

its not sustainable. Decisions will need to be made at some point. The team isnt good enough, it's not balanced in any way (poor guard play/no C), and everyones gonna be looking for raises; GTJ/FVV the upcoming offseason and OG/Precious the year after. Standing still and paying everyone isnt a great option.

To me, you have to anticipate these things and sidestep them. I dont wanna be at a point where we're paying OG/FVV/GTJ nearly 90 mill combined.

yeah not a fan of it either.

Just blindly pushing problems further into the future is not smart.


I don't want to read this board either if GTJ just walks in 2023 free agency.

[mademan]

OG has the 7th most win shares from his draft class and would probably be a spot or two higher if he played more games. If you did a re-draft, he'd be one of the top picks. If you review all the recent drafts, OG would go in the top 10 in re-drafts.

Around draft time, people tend overestimate what you actually get at pick #7. The chances are, the player you take won't be as good as OG. If you look at the last 10 #7 overall picks, there's probably only 1 guy you'd take over OG, Jamal Murray, and even he's a question mark now given his injury. The last 10 #7 picks include H Barnes, Noel, Randle, Mudiay, Murray, Markkanen, Carter Jr, C White, Hayes, Kuminga.

Even as well as the Raptors draft, the quality of player you get is still somewhat dependent on the strength of the draft. If the Raps are really sure about a player at #7, maybe you consider it, but coming out ahead in a trade like this is still tough.

Obviously they wouldn’t consider it if they didn’t have faith in a particular guy at 7 though, so that’s kind of a moot point


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Seems like they're not a fan of the guys at 7, at least not enough to give up OG, otherwise the deal would be done.

makes no sense to make the trade early if the Raps only have 1 guy in mind. What happens if you make the trade and some other team reaches for him? You're now either trading OG for a prospect you don't love or scrambling trying to attach more assets to convince another team to give up the prospect they just drafted. Waiting is the more prudent move, to ensure your guy is there before you make a big move.

[WuTang_CMB]

OG has the 7th most win shares from his draft class and would probably be a spot or two higher if he played more games. If you did a re-draft, he'd be one of the top picks. If you review all the recent drafts, OG would go in the top 10 in re-drafts.

Around draft time, people tend overestimate what you actually get at pick #7. The chances are, the player you take won't be as good as OG. If you look at the last 10 #7 overall picks, there's probably only 1 guy you'd take over OG, Jamal Murray, and even he's a question mark now given his injury. The last 10 #7 picks include H Barnes, Noel, Randle, Mudiay, Murray, Markkanen, Carter Jr, C White, Hayes, Kuminga.

Even as well as the Raptors draft, the quality of player you get is still somewhat dependent on the strength of the draft. If the Raps are really sure about a player at #7, maybe you consider it, but coming out ahead in a trade like this is still tough.

Obviously they wouldn’t consider it if they didn’t have faith in a particular guy at 7 though, so that’s kind of a moot point


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Seems like they're not a fan of the guys at 7, at least not enough to give up OG, otherwise the deal would be done.

I wouldn't say that. I think they do like Daniels and Mathurin but are waiting for Portland to increase their package. It may or may not improve by you might as well wait and see how desperate they become. If Daniels is gone at 5 then you're screwed, for example. Just wait it out.

[OakleyDokely]

I hear you but you and I both know they won't be taking a step back next season. All things from Masai point to let FVV/Siakam/OG continue to grow and Scottie/Precious/Trent right behind them

its not sustainable. Decisions will need to be made at some point. The team isnt good enough, it's not balanced in any way (poor guard play/no C), and everyones gonna be looking for raises; GTJ/FVV the upcoming offseason and OG/Precious the year after. Standing still and paying everyone isnt a great option.

To me, you have to anticipate these things and sidestep them. I dont wanna be at a point where we're paying OG/FVV/GTJ nearly 90 mill combined.

yeah not a fan of it either.

Just blindly pushing problems further into the future is not smart.


I don't want to read this board either if GTJ just walks in 2023 free agency.

Masai doesn't have much of a history of losing valuable guys for nothing. He tends to extend his core guys or trade them like he did with Powell/Lowry.

[OakleyDokely]

Obviously they wouldn’t consider it if they didn’t have faith in a particular guy at 7 though, so that’s kind of a moot point


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Seems like they're not a fan of the guys at 7, at least not enough to give up OG, otherwise the deal would be done.

I wouldn't say that. I think they do like Daniels and Mathurin but are waiting for Portland to increase their package. It may or may not improve by you might as well wait and see how desperate they become. If Daniels is gone at 5 then you're screwed, for example. Just wait it out.

The way Fisher described it though, the Raps were pretty dismissive of that offer.

[WuTang_CMB]

Seems like they're not a fan of the guys at 7, at least not enough to give up OG, otherwise the deal would be done.

I wouldn't say that. I think they do like Daniels and Mathurin but are waiting for Portland to increase their package. It may or may not improve by you might as well wait and see how desperate they become. If Daniels is gone at 5 then you're screwed, for example. Just wait it out.

The way Fisher described it though, the Raps were pretty dismissive of that offer.

Who knows. Masai postures. For us to interview Daniels and Mathurin at combine just shows we are at least open to the idea and doing our homework on a possible deal.

I don't think it happens as these deals are always long shots but draft night will be interesting. Portland needs to do something with Lillard there. They are trading that pick 100%.

[Smalltown]

Seems like they're not a fan of the guys at 7, at least not enough to give up OG, otherwise the deal would be done.

Why rush it? You've got a few weeks to see if you can sweat more out of Portland or see if a team like the Kings wants to jump in and drive up the ask. It could all just be a giant fishing expedition to shake something else loose.

[Young Moosehead]

OG has the 7th most win shares from his draft class and would probably be a spot or two higher if he played more games. If you did a re-draft, he'd be one of the top picks. If you review all the recent drafts, OG would go in the top 10 in re-drafts.

Around draft time, people tend overestimate what you actually get at pick #7. The chances are, the player you take won't be as good as OG. If you look at the last 10 #7 overall picks, there's probably only 1 guy you'd take over OG, Jamal Murray, and even he's a question mark now given his injury. The last 10 #7 picks include H Barnes, Noel, Randle, Mudiay, Murray, Markkanen, Carter Jr, C White, Hayes, Kuminga.

Even as well as the Raptors draft, the quality of player you get is still somewhat dependent on the strength of the draft. If the Raps are really sure about a player at #7, maybe you consider it, but coming out ahead in a trade like this is still tough.

Obviously they wouldn’t consider it if they didn’t have faith in a particular guy at 7 though, so that’s kind of a moot point


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Seems like they're not a fan of the guys at 7, at least not enough to give up OG, otherwise the deal would be done.

I think there are restrictions on Portland's draft pick. Any trade would have to be a draft night arrangement, so even if Raps are interested, we can play coy until draft night to drive up the offer. Deal not being done doesn't mean anything yet.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Right now the only word on this is from one writer, and while we can debate his record we know for certain that he spreads a lot of gossip. Not worth thinking about much more until more writers start share this buzz.

[Young Moosehead]

Right now the only word on this is from one writer, and while we can debate his record we know for certain that he spreads a lot of gossip. Not worth thinking about much more until more writers start share this buzz.

100% agree this guy might be full of it.
100% happy if OG stays and nothing comes of it.

0% agree no point in talking about it. Other than who to draft @ 33 what else is there to talk about? We only have exceptions and TPEs to add people. If this is the regular season, sure, brush it aside for more pressing topics. But what other Raptor content is there right now?

[Young Moosehead]

If we disregard Pascal and Fred as future building blocks, and just look at what we could do to put another star beside Scottie, this starts to make a lot of sense, even if only because OG is always injured. On the court he's a perfect fit and we shouldn't trade him, but he's clearly not hoping to evolve into a main scorer. If Masai sees a 1A alpha available at 7 I'd rather he take the chance on that than keep OG.

We're attached to Pascal and Fred ffs could you imagine how excited we would be if we truly built around Scotty and another blue chip prospect? Best part is we don't even have to sacrifice our winning culture we've built cuz we'll still have Fred and Pascal to give us a few more winning regular seasons until the young guys are ready. It's a step back in the short term but an investment into our future and I personally hope Masai and Bobby take it.

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I hear you but you and I both know they won't be taking a step back next season. All things from Masai point to let FVV/Siakam/OG continue to grow and Scottie/Precious/Trent right behind them

its not sustainable. Decisions will need to be made at some point. The team isnt good enough, it's not balanced in any way (poor guard play/no C), and everyones gonna be looking for raises; GTJ/FVV the upcoming offseason and OG/Precious the year after. Standing still and paying everyone isnt a great option.

To me, you have to anticipate these things and sidestep them. I dont wanna be at a point where we're paying OG/FVV/GTJ nearly 90 mill combined.

Masai has beaten you to your concern before you even vocalised it. Masai lined up their contracts so that their extensions come before the cap increases. In 3 years when all those guys are making their extensions @90 mil combined, as you suggest the cap will be 175M. They would be making close to half the cap with the 90 million extension figure you provided. Just like those three players currently do. Problem anticipated and side stepped.

The year of the increase we will have a final year of Scottie at rookie scale, and everyone one else under contract. Masai will be in a great position to decide what our future will be. Pascal and Fred around 30 on good deals will have value. We will have three years of building resources and development. The rest of our core in their prime or entering it. Masai knows he will have to make a move eventually and I am positive that he has set up a 2 year window to make some huge moves. The current system is sustainable for 3 more years, Masai has given himself that time to evaluate.

[OakleyDokely]

I mean, anything is possible, but this entire discussion is based on leaks from other teams interested in trading for OG. At no point, has anyone reported that the Raptors are seriously looking at deals for OG.

[Madhouse]

I hear you but you and I both know they won't be taking a step back next season. All things from Masai point to let FVV/Siakam/OG continue to grow and Scottie/Precious/Trent right behind them

its not sustainable. Decisions will need to be made at some point. The team isnt good enough, it's not balanced in any way (poor guard play/no C), and everyones gonna be looking for raises; GTJ/FVV the upcoming offseason and OG/Precious the year after. Standing still and paying everyone isnt a great option.

To me, you have to anticipate these things and sidestep them. I dont wanna be at a point where we're paying OG/FVV/GTJ nearly 90 mill combined.

Masai has beaten you to your concern before you even vocalised it. Masai lined up their contracts so that their extensions come before the cap increases. In 3 years when all those guys are making their extensions @90 mil combined, as you suggest the cap will be 175M. They would be making close to half the cap with the 90 million extension figure you provided. Just like those three players currently do. Problem anticipated and side stepped.

The year of the increase we will have a final year of Scottie at rookie scale, and everyone one else under contract. Masai will be in a great position to decide what our future will be. Pascal and Fred around 30 on good deals will have value. We will have three years of building resources and development. The rest of our core in their prime or entering it. Masai knows he will have to make a move eventually and I am positive that he has set up a 2 year window to make some huge moves. The current system is sustainable for 3 more years, Masai has given himself that time to evaluate.

First all those 3 players would have to agree to contract extension in the next 2 years and not walk in UFA and take their talents elsewhere. That's not a given.

It could indeed be sustainable if they retain all those players (and add to it) but until that happens concerns will exist.

Now, if that happens, sure that problem would be sidestepped. The 90M figure does seem high though, I think it would be more like 28/25/23 or something like that.

The caphit is not something that would concern me. Much more the willingness by players to stay and by the ownership to commit to a core.

[Tripod]

One spin off of the Portland talk is that other teams also want OG that are picking earlier in Indy and Sac.

Who knows what could happen if multiple teams get involved in bidding.

Portland would be more inclined to make a strong offer therefore but I don't think Indiana will give us what we want. They are rebuilding so the 6th pick has a ton of value to them and they are not getting rid of Haliburton either.

The Kings pick is interesting. I don't think we could fleece them for #4 but if they are really interested in OG, it could get interesting. Barnes,4 for OG, 33 and 2023 first. Yeah, probably not but you never know with the Kings.


It's fun to think about being able to choose from Banchero/Ivey/Sharpe etc. at #4 though. Could set up the franchise for the next decade and who knows when we get to draft high again.

Indy has been link to OG in the past via Turner. They could view it as they could get OG all while keeping Turner now. And slotting OG next to Turner, Hield, Brogdan, Hali gives a still young starting 5 with Duarte off the bench.

That's the thing with OG, you know what you are getting and don't have to wait 2-4 years to get it. And he is still young enough to improve.

[bringbackhoffa]

I wouldnt mind a sign and trade with OG, Flynn, multiple firsts and pick swaps for Ayton

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[Madhouse]

its not sustainable. Decisions will need to be made at some point. The team isnt good enough, it's not balanced in any way (poor guard play/no C), and everyones gonna be looking for raises; GTJ/FVV the upcoming offseason and OG/Precious the year after. Standing still and paying everyone isnt a great option.

To me, you have to anticipate these things and sidestep them. I dont wanna be at a point where we're paying OG/FVV/GTJ nearly 90 mill combined.

yeah not a fan of it either.

Just blindly pushing problems further into the future is not smart.


I don't want to read this board either if GTJ just walks in 2023 free agency.

Masai doesn't have much of a history of losing valuable guys for nothing. He tends to extend his core guys or trade them like he did with Powell/Lowry.

which is why you need to make such decisions now.

GTJ for example has a contract until next year. He can't be extended, so you are blindly running into free agency there. If you find out during the season that he wants to leave and try to trade him, his value will be diminished greatly.

[Madhouse]

One spin off of the Portland talk is that other teams also want OG that are picking earlier in Indy and Sac.

Who knows what could happen if multiple teams get involved in bidding.

Portland would be more inclined to make a strong offer therefore but I don't think Indiana will give us what we want. They are rebuilding so the 6th pick has a ton of value to them and they are not getting rid of Haliburton either.

The Kings pick is interesting. I don't think we could fleece them for #4 but if they are really interested in OG, it could get interesting. Barnes,4 for OG, 33 and 2023 first. Yeah, probably not but you never know with the Kings.


It's fun to think about being able to choose from Banchero/Ivey/Sharpe etc. at #4 though. Could set up the franchise for the next decade and who knows when we get to draft high again.

Indy has been link to OG in the past via Turner. They could view it as they could get OG all while keeping Turner now. And slotting OG next to Turner, Hield, Brogdan, Hali gives a still young starting 5 with Duarte off the bench.

That's the thing with OG, you know what you are getting and don't have to wait 2-4 years to get it. And he is still young enough to improve.

I'm not interested in Turner for OG at all.

[aroc23]

7th and Simon for OG + maybe more if needed (i.e. 33rd pick).

Sign Jalen Smith with MLE.

FVV / Dyson (19) / Banton (22)
GTJ (23) / Simons (22)
Scottie (20) / Thad
Pascal / Boucher
Precious (22) / Jalen Smith (22)

Short term Simons shooting off the bench would be huge. Smith too is a good 3 point shooter. If Boucher can get back to around his 2020/2021 shooting numbers, you would have enough shooting off the bench to finally have an effective 9 man rotation.

Long term:

Dyson (19) / Banton (22)
GTJ (23) or Simons (22)
Scottie (20)
Pascal
Precious (22) / Jalen Smith (22)

+ whatever you get for FVV and Simons or GTJ + picks

I think with Dyson, Scottie and Pascal handling the ball, you are fine with a combo guard like Simons who in 2022 was at the top of the league or close to it in 3 pointers taken and made. With an all-defense + Simons lineup you can hide his glaring defensive weakness weakness, as well as the 3 point shooting weakness you create by starting Scottie and Pascal together. Or you can stick with GTJ and move Simons later for another lottery pick.

[dgr81]

Portland is not trading Simons and #7 for OG. Come on now