2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

[sp6r=underrated]

Klay has become the most underrated player on this board by a mile

If what he did in his prime (extremely high efficiency high volume 3 point shooting and combo of speed/size to effectively guard all threats 1-3) is so common, we'd see a bunch of other players do it right?

in my defense i have always been low on klay

excellent player, but i dont think he ever was a capital S star imo

he has always been the Tony Parker of the Warriors big 3 for me. A very good player but not the generational player that Curry/Dray are and Tim/Manu were.

[Colbinii]

Klay has become the most underrated player on this board by a mile

If what he did in his prime (extremely high efficiency high volume 3 point shooting and combo of speed/size to effectively guard all threats 1-3) is so common, we'd see a bunch of other players do it right?

in my defense i have always been low on klay

excellent player, but i dont think he ever was a capital S star imo

he has always been the Tony Parker of the Warriors big 3 for me. A very good player but not the generational player that Curry/Dray are and Tim/Manu were.

I see it very similar. Like Parker [who had a weakness becoming a true star because of his defense and 3 point shooting], Klay's main weakness and what kept him from being a star was his inability to create/playmake on a consistently high level.

Nothing wrong with being compared to Tony Parker either.

[jalengreen]

Do people actually want star players thrown out of important playoff games?

if they deserve it, of course?

[parsnips33]

Do people actually want star players thrown out of important playoff games?

if they deserve it, of course?

Don't the refs decide if they deserve it or not?

[jalengreen]

Do people actually want star players thrown out of important playoff games?

if they deserve it, of course?

Don't the refs decide if they deserve it or not?

yes, although i don't see the relevance of that. just because the refs are the ones to decide does not mean that they always do so accurately

[Colbinii]

Do people actually want star players thrown out of important playoff games?

if they deserve it, of course?

Don't the refs decide if they deserve it or not?

And aren't the refs making decisions based on the rules?

It sounds like you want the rules to change--everyone does.

[parsnips33]

I just generally want players to not be thrown out of the game, except as an absolute last resort. I think the game is better when both sides have all their guys

[parsnips33]

Really interested to see how or if Boston adjusts their gameplan

The chess match of this series has not disappointed so far

[Colbinii]

I just generally want players to not be thrown out of the game, except as an absolute last resort. I think the game is better when both sides have all their guys

I agree, as do most people. Sounds like a rule change would help everyone and I expect it to happen. The NBA has done a good job recently of taking what isn't working and attempting to fix it.

[Tim Lehrbach]

One big thing I've noticed is that the Warriors have simply stopped running their motion sets when they go on their 3rd quarter runs. It's been almost exclusively Curry on-ball and high screen-roll. It's the only thing that's working against this Celtics half-court defense.

It's the only thing that's worked, but I'm not so sure the Warriors are being forced out of their motion by Boston's defense. By my eyes (i.e., I don't have the numbers to back this up and can never remember from among the umpteen sites where people get which data...) they've just gradually become a less kinetic halfcourt team over time, and Curry in particular has decreased his off-ball mileage. I could be wrong, but my guess here is that if Curry and the Warriors could move off-ball as crisply and as relentlessly as they used to, it will still be more effective than Curry on-ball running P&R, and they'd wouldn't have to go away from it. And I think all of this explains at least some of the drop in efficiency that Curry has experienced this year (and which probably isn't coming back at this stage of his career, unless he improbably becomes even better at shooting contested shots).

[jalengreen]

Read on Twitter

lines up with what i saw - even though it was a tight game at halftime, the warriors definitely seemed to have an offense that was more reliable in getting good shots

warriors defense in G1 vs G2 was night and day

[Texas Chuck]

I just generally want players to not be thrown out of the game, except as an absolute last resort. I think the game is better when both sides have all their guys

Me too.

And I love Draymond Green.

But it does feel like he's intentionally making a mockery of this. I don't actually want the league to try and "fix it" during the Finals, but I do think he needs a trip to New York in the off-season and a quick conversation that starting next year and including into the playoffs that if he thinks 1 tech gives him a free pass to act the fool with no consequences, he might be surprised this go-around.

Because its really bad. I've never seen a player with so many interactions over the course of a game that are generally automatic techs just get nothing.

But they can't change course now. Not in the Finals. Not when they've set this precedence for him. But while I want stars kept in the game, I also hate these kind of double standards. If you would toss Matt Barnes or Pat Bev you need to toss Draymond.

[Peregrine01]

Draymond has locked up pretty much every player he's matched up with in these playoffs except for Jokic. Warriors put him on Jaylen last night and completely took him out of the game. He's probably the best defensive player of this era and you combine this with the physicality he's allowed to play with in the playoffs and pretty much no one can do anything against him.

[parsnips33]

Draymond has locked up pretty much every player he's matched up with in these playoffs except for Jokic. Warriors put him on Jaylen last night and completely took him out of the game. He's probably the best defensive player of this era and you combine this with the physicality he's allowed to play with in the playoffs and pretty much no one can do anything against him.

I still don't get it, but Pascal Siakam was giving him all he could handle in the 2019 Finals

[Peregrine01]

One big thing I've noticed is that the Warriors have simply stopped running their motion sets when they go on their 3rd quarter runs. It's been almost exclusively Curry on-ball and high screen-roll. It's the only thing that's working against this Celtics half-court defense.

It's the only thing that's worked, but I'm not so sure the Warriors are being forced out of their motion by Boston's defense. By my eyes (i.e., I don't have the numbers to back this up and can never remember from among the umpteen sites where people get which data...) they've just gradually become a less kinetic halfcourt team over time, and Curry in particular has decreased his off-ball mileage. I could be wrong, but my guess here is that if Curry and the Warriors could move off-ball as crisply and as relentlessly as they used to, it will still be more effective than Curry on-ball running P&R, and they'd wouldn't have to go away from it. And I think all of this explains at least some of the drop in efficiency that Curry has experienced this year (and which probably isn't coming back at this stage of his career, unless he improbably becomes even better at shooting contested shots).

Warriors managed 17 pick and rolls on average in the regular season...which would rank next to dead last in the whole league. They did 33 in game 2. So I don't think it's so much Curry being unable to fly all over the floor like he used to but a conscious decision to pull their ace card, which is Curry in pick and roll. The Warriors purposely limit their most lethal play to promote their "strength in numbers" approach in the regular season but it's good that they've learned to be less dogmatic when everything's on the line.

[Peregrine01]

Draymond has locked up pretty much every player he's matched up with in these playoffs except for Jokic. Warriors put him on Jaylen last night and completely took him out of the game. He's probably the best defensive player of this era and you combine this with the physicality he's allowed to play with in the playoffs and pretty much no one can do anything against him.

I still don't get it, but Pascal Siakam was giving him all he could handle in the 2019 Finals

When Draymond is roaming and playing free safety, he can get burned by a guy like Siakam and Horford. But when he's totally keyed in on one guy, there's no one better as a one-on-one defender.

[falcolombardi]

One big thing I've noticed is that the Warriors have simply stopped running their motion sets when they go on their 3rd quarter runs. It's been almost exclusively Curry on-ball and high screen-roll. It's the only thing that's working against this Celtics half-court defense.

It's the only thing that's worked, but I'm not so sure the Warriors are being forced out of their motion by Boston's defense. By my eyes (i.e., I don't have the numbers to back this up and can never remember from among the umpteen sites where people get which data...) they've just gradually become a less kinetic halfcourt team over time, and Curry in particular has decreased his off-ball mileage. I could be wrong, but my guess here is that if Curry and the Warriors could move off-ball as crisply and as relentlessly as they used to, it will still be more effective than Curry on-ball running P&R, and they'd wouldn't have to go away from it. And I think all of this explains at least some of the drop in efficiency that Curry has experienced this year (and which probably isn't coming back at this stage of his career, unless he improbably becomes even better at shooting contested shots).

Warriors managed 17 pick and rolls on average in the regular season...which would rank next to dead last in the whole league. They did 33 in game 2. So I don't think it's so much Curry being unable to fly all over the floor like he used to but a conscious decision to pull their ace card, which is Curry in pick and roll. The Warriors purposely limit their most lethal play to promote their "strength in numbers" approach in the regular season but it's good that they've learned to be less dogmatic when everything's on the line.

do you think boston wil do somethingh to take away the pick and roll? seems like they should have the ability to switch a lot and go over screens as their size and lenght gives them rim protection

[parsnips33]

Draymond has locked up pretty much every player he's matched up with in these playoffs except for Jokic. Warriors put him on Jaylen last night and completely took him out of the game. He's probably the best defensive player of this era and you combine this with the physicality he's allowed to play with in the playoffs and pretty much no one can do anything against him.

I still don't get it, but Pascal Siakam was giving him all he could handle in the 2019 Finals

When Draymond is roaming and playing free safety, he can get burned by a guy like Siakam and Horford. But when he's totally keyed in on one guy, there's no one better as a one-on-one defender.

I do remember him even taking Draymond in the post a few times. That definitely jumped out to me

[Crazy-Canuck]

It's the only thing that's worked, but I'm not so sure the Warriors are being forced out of their motion by Boston's defense. By my eyes (i.e., I don't have the numbers to back this up and can never remember from among the umpteen sites where people get which data...) they've just gradually become a less kinetic halfcourt team over time, and Curry in particular has decreased his off-ball mileage. I could be wrong, but my guess here is that if Curry and the Warriors could move off-ball as crisply and as relentlessly as they used to, it will still be more effective than Curry on-ball running P&R, and they'd wouldn't have to go away from it. And I think all of this explains at least some of the drop in efficiency that Curry has experienced this year (and which probably isn't coming back at this stage of his career, unless he improbably becomes even better at shooting contested shots).

Warriors managed 17 pick and rolls on average in the regular season...which would rank next to dead last in the whole league. They did 33 in game 2. So I don't think it's so much Curry being unable to fly all over the floor like he used to but a conscious decision to pull their ace card, which is Curry in pick and roll. The Warriors purposely limit their most lethal play to promote their "strength in numbers" approach in the regular season but it's good that they've learned to be less dogmatic when everything's on the line.

do you think boston wil do somethingh to take away the pick and roll? seems like they should have the ability to switch a lot and go over screens as their size and lenght gives them rim protection

The steph pnr was a by product of the line up.

The start of the 2nd and 4th qs, the celtics have made their runs. Kerr normally starts with klay and poole while curry and wiggs get their breather. However, vv

Game 2:

Steph played all of the 1q.
Wiggs played all of the 2nd.
Steph and wiggs played all of the 3rd. And in the 3rd, gsw made their run with defense. Their 5 best impact players were on the floor: steph, wiggs, gp2, otto, and dray. Kinda hard to run motion.

[Gooner]

Klay has become the most underrated player on this board by a mile

If what he did in his prime (extremely high efficiency high volume 3 point shooting and combo of speed/size to effectively guard all threats 1-3) is so common, we'd see a bunch of other players do it right?

in my defense i have always been low on klay

excellent player, but i dont think he ever was a capital S star imo

he has always been the Tony Parker of the Warriors big 3 for me. A very good player but not the generational player that Curry/Dray are and Tim/Manu were.

Tony Parker is one of the best point guards of his generation. He definitely belongs in the same class as Manu. He was a finals MVP.