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[sidney lanier]

League-wide ORtg this past season was 112.0. Whatever is done, if anything, to stem the tide, it should reduce 3P% to below 33% (currently 35.4%) as a disincentive to shooting so many.

Still like the big ball. I cannot lie.

[paulpressey25]

Think the three point situation is also bringing out these high variance playoff games. If your team is on, you race out to 20 point leads.

[Licensed to Il]

There are some funny wise ass comments in this thread.

But there are some legit points, I think the NBA could really clean up the game (if they wanted to) with more consistent officiating (less superstar leniency), taking away the Bam and Draymond comically moving screens, and calling post play tighter (they let you wail on post players). I think these are all subtle changes that the talking head types wouldn't even notice. But that would lead to a much more watchable product.

I think the reason this won't happen, is that the TV ratings go up when scoring is up, and superstars are putting up mega stats. The league is listening to the casuals, not the league pass junkies.

I don't have an issue with scoring. I'm old enough to remember the 90s, we don't need to go back to ugly rock fights. Just give me a little more variety vs every team shooting a million 3s a game.

Non 3 related the god damn take foul needs to go, fast breaks are fun. Also they need to take a hard look at the replay system, currently it absolutely kills the flow.

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I don't have a problem with scoring either, give me the peak Spurs moving the ball around, playing with balance, hitting threes, and defending well. The reason I mentioned scoring as a problem, was more in the context of Harden getting 9 free points a game on phantom fouls, or Klay and Steph getting wide open looks because the GS bigs are just forearm shivering and all out shoving defenders out of the play. I agree with you that the review process has added downtime to a sport that already has too much (free throws). I concur that the proliferation of 3's is a huge problem. I can't really think of a single conversation I've had within basketball circles where someone doesn't mention it is hurting the product. I do still love basketball, I do still think the NBA talent is compelling in almost any setting. I wish Silver would take more of a lead on improving the on court product and not worry so much about marketing. A great product markets itself. There are already mega tv deals in place. The money is pouring in. He probably swims in a giant safe of money like Scrooge McDuck. Time to figure out a way for every team not to play the exact same way.

[RiotPunch]

LeBron butting heads with Darvin AND 'Sheed sounds like great entertainment.

[WeekapaugGroove]

There are some funny wise ass comments in this thread.

But there are some legit points, I think the NBA could really clean up the game (if they wanted to) with more consistent officiating (less superstar leniency), taking away the Bam and Draymond comically moving screens, and calling post play tighter (they let you wail on post players). I think these are all subtle changes that the talking head types wouldn't even notice. But that would lead to a much more watchable product.

I think the reason this won't happen, is that the TV ratings go up when scoring is up, and superstars are putting up mega stats. The league is listening to the casuals, not the league pass junkies.

I don't have an issue with scoring. I'm old enough to remember the 90s, we don't need to go back to ugly rock fights. Just give me a little more variety vs every team shooting a million 3s a game.

Non 3 related the god damn take foul needs to go, fast breaks are fun. Also they need to take a hard look at the replay system, currently it absolutely kills the flow.

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I don't have a problem with scoring either, give me the peak Spurs moving the ball around, playing with balance, hitting threes, and defending well. The reason I mentioned scoring as a problem, was more in the context of Harden getting 9 free points a game on phantom fouls, or Klay and Steph getting wide open looks because the GS bigs are just forearm shivering and all out shoving defenders out of the play. I agree with you that the review process has added downtime to a sport that already has too much (free throws). I concur that the proliferation of 3's is a huge problem. I can't really think of a single conversation I've had within basketball circles where someone doesn't mention it is hurting the product. I do still love basketball, I do still think the NBA talent is compelling in almost any setting. I wish Silver would take more of a lead on improving the on court product and not worry so much about marketing. A great product markets itself. There are already mega tv deals in place. The money is pouring in. He probably swims in a giant safe of money like Scrooge McDuck. Time to figure out a way for every team not to play the exact same way.

Totally agree.

Probably should be noted this isn't just an NBA problem. Baseball and to some extent football both have seen some changes in how teams play because people have identified efficiencies and everyone hammers those. With baseball it's shifting and strike outs/HRs and football we've seen a major shift to passing.

Maybe we just live in a sports world where we have a **** ton of data and no matter the changes teams find the most efficient way and everyone does it. Not really sure how you combat that.

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[Finn]

My dumb idea of the day.

Put a max on the number of 3 point shots a team can take per game. Once you exceed the number every shot is worth 2. 3's can still be taken by the Curry's of the world but they'd only count for 2. Maybe coaches would tell poor shooters to stop chucking it (sorry Giannis) as it could hurt the team. Say the number is 20. Do you save 5 shots for the 4th quarter for a possible comeback, or do you shoot them all early to build a big lead? Maybe this introduces some level of strategy. Go mad. If a team shoots their 20 & makes above some certain percentage, the team gets 3 extra 3 point attempts (i.e., reward good shooting). Go insane. If a team doesn't hit at least a minimum percentage (e.g., 4 of their first 10), they lose 3 attempts for the rest of the game. I'm sure there are other things we could think of.

How am I?

[Licensed to Il]

I think the solution is way more simple than many are grasping. Just make it easier for defenders to guard the three point line; crack down on moving screens, clutching and grasping defenders on off ball motions, don’t let guys with the ball initiate contact on defenders who are under control of their body, etc.

We all like scoring, we all like threes, just level the playing field a bit and coaches will hunt for other advantages.

[emunney]

There are some funny wise ass comments in this thread.

But there are some legit points, I think the NBA could really clean up the game (if they wanted to) with more consistent officiating (less superstar leniency), taking away the Bam and Draymond comically moving screens, and calling post play tighter (they let you wail on post players). I think these are all subtle changes that the talking head types wouldn't even notice. But that would lead to a much more watchable product.

I think the reason this won't happen, is that the TV ratings go up when scoring is up, and superstars are putting up mega stats. The league is listening to the casuals, not the league pass junkies.

I don't have an issue with scoring. I'm old enough to remember the 90s, we don't need to go back to ugly rock fights. Just give me a little more variety vs every team shooting a million 3s a game.

Non 3 related the god damn take foul needs to go, fast breaks are fun. Also they need to take a hard look at the replay system, currently it absolutely kills the flow.

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I don't have a problem with scoring either, give me the peak Spurs moving the ball around, playing with balance, hitting threes, and defending well. The reason I mentioned scoring as a problem, was more in the context of Harden getting 9 free points a game on phantom fouls, or Klay and Steph getting wide open looks because the GS bigs are just forearm shivering and all out shoving defenders out of the play. I agree with you that the review process has added downtime to a sport that already has too much (free throws). I concur that the proliferation of 3's is a huge problem. I can't really think of a single conversation I've had within basketball circles where someone doesn't mention it is hurting the product. I do still love basketball, I do still think the NBA talent is compelling in almost any setting. I wish Silver would take more of a lead on improving the on court product and not worry so much about marketing. A great product markets itself. There are already mega tv deals in place. The money is pouring in. He probably swims in a giant safe of money like Scrooge McDuck. Time to figure out a way for every team not to play the exact same way.

I don't agree that every team plays the same way but I agree that the core of the solution is basically just to ENFORCE EXISTING RULES properly. Stop discouraging interior play by rewarding flopping. Stop encouraging perimeter play by allowing illegal screens. I don't know how to incentivize taking midrange jumpers -- I think the incentive is right there for individual players to develop that skill, because you can get that shot whenever you want. If you want to be a hero, get automatic from 18 feet.

[emunney]

Mr. Mandelbaum, please.

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It's go time!

[Ron Swanson]

Remember that first month of the season when literally everyone was cheering the refs not calling the Harden/Trae foul-baiting stuff? Just go back to that and stop letting dudes like Bam, Draymond, Horford, etc. pass-block on screens like they're NFL offensive lineman. It's that simple, but the NBA has no one to blame but themselves because they actively enable the foul and 3PT grifters in their never-ending goal to make every game a 130-125 track meet.

David Stern might have been a Grade-A douchebag, but he ultimately knew at certain junctures in the league lifecycle when the rules needed amending to balance offense/defense and improve the overall product, and knew how to get all the owners on board. Silver on the other hand, is spineless. We're now in the 9th straight season of 3PT attempts increasing an average of 13-15% every year, but they don't care and if anything, their complete inaction shows that this is precisely what the league office wants...

[Licensed to Il]

Here is a (maybe) fun question. What “non first team” (you can’t pick a top 5 guy) player from a previous decade would be the perfect fit for the 2022-23 Bucks?

My answer, Rasheed Wallace.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Here is a (maybe) fun question. What “non first team” (you can’t pick a top 5 guy) player from a previous decade would be the perfect fit for the 2022-23 Bucks?

My answer, Rasheed Wallace.

Mugsy Boges. No basketball reasons it was just fun to watch that little dude play.

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[VooDoo7]

Listening to the Celtics cry about the refs after every loss is really something. Jalen Brown saying Draymond was trying to pull his shorts down when they were on the ground during the foul on his 3-pt attempt...GTFO you clown. BTW, I can't stand Draymond either.

[Jez2983]

Here is a (maybe) fun question. What “non first team” (you can’t pick a top 5 guy) player from a previous decade would be the perfect fit for the 2022-23 Bucks?

My answer, Rasheed Wallace.

Mugsy Boges. No basketball reasons it was just fun to watch that little dude play.

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Robert Horry is usually a good answer.

[DrWood]

League-wide ORtg this past season was 112.0. Whatever is done, if anything, to stem the tide, it should reduce 3P% to below 33% (currently 35.4%) as a disincentive to shooting so many.

Still like the big ball. I cannot lie.

I can't find 2p% for teams (I don't have time to calculate it right now), but I think teams are shooting 2pt shots better than 50%. So if your point is to make 3p% comparable it would be 2/3rds what the 2p% is. For example, if 2p% is 54%, a "balanced" 3p% would be 36%

[DrWood]

Here is a (maybe) fun question. What “non first team” (you can’t pick a top 5 guy) player from a previous decade would be the perfect fit for the 2022-23 Bucks?

My answer, Rasheed Wallace.

Mugsy Boges. No basketball reasons it was just fun to watch that little dude play.

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Robert Horry is usually a good answer.

Young Steph Curry.

[Profound23]

Mugsy Boges. No basketball reasons it was just fun to watch that little dude play.

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Robert Horry is usually a good answer.

Young Steph Curry.

I assume he means players that were never first-team.

Of course I would have to go with Ray Allen.

Jrue
2001 Ray Allen
Middleton
Giannis
Brook/Bobby


stop it........we go 4/4/4/4 through the postseason

[MikeIsGood]

Robert Horry is usually a good answer.

Young Steph Curry.

I assume he means players that were never first-team.

Of course I would have to go with Ray Allen.

Jrue
2001 Ray Allen
Middleton
Giannis
Brook/Bobby


stop it........we go 4/4/4/4 through the postseason

This is the homerun pick IMO, but it also feels a little off picking a 10x all-star and top-75 all time player

I'll keep in the same vein though and take Klay Thompson. Prime Klay's shooting and defense would be wonderful.

[KidA24]

Here is a (maybe) fun question. What “non first team” (you can’t pick a top 5 guy) player from a previous decade would be the perfect fit for the 2022-23 Bucks?

My answer, Rasheed Wallace.

Mark Price or Terry Porter.

[drew881]

Mr. Mandelbaum, please.

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It's go time!

Lots of PJ quotes in that presser that will make some board members here look towards a cliff to jump from.