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Post#1661 » by Prez » Tue Jun 7, 2022 12:44 am

Licensed to Il wrote:Here is a (maybe) fun question. What “non first team” (you can’t pick a top 5 guy) player from a previous decade would be the perfect fit for the 2022-23 Bucks?

My answer, Rasheed Wallace.

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Post#1663 » by Plossum » Tue Jun 7, 2022 1:05 am

Well 2019 Kawhi and Lebron weren’t first team all NBA so I’ll take me of those two.
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Post#1664 » by Bucksfan28 » Tue Jun 7, 2022 1:08 am

Co-sign Ray Allen or Klay. RIP rest of the league. I'll add Ginobili and Billups to that list.

Was going to say Bosh but he made first team in 07.
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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1665 » by Licensed to Il » Tue Jun 7, 2022 1:10 am

Bucksfan28 wrote:Co-sign Ray Allen or Klay. RIP rest of the league. I'll add Ginobili and Billups to that list.

Was going to say Bosh but he made first team in 07.


Jeez, prime Ginobli would feast on our roster.
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Post#1666 » by Plossum » Tue Jun 7, 2022 1:15 am

If it has to be a guy who hasn’t made a first team all nba in the past decade though, I’ll take 2013 or 2014 Tony Parker.
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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1667 » by theFireBlanket » Tue Jun 7, 2022 1:23 am

Profound23 wrote:After watching Grant and Smart's antics with Giannis (creating contact, grabbing his arm, and falling to the ground at times taking Giannis with him, which created fouls out of thin air) how can anyone dislike watching Green do the same thing to him and the rest of that team?

I am not even a fan of Green, but it is great to see karma in action.


Giannis started going after them during the ECSF. I was enjoying his retaliation but worried he was going to Dunleavy someone into an ejection.
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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1668 » by Licensed to Il » Tue Jun 7, 2022 1:27 am

2000-2010 Korver would be great for us to. Not the 2019 version we had.
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Post#1669 » by theFireBlanket » Tue Jun 7, 2022 1:32 am

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Post#1670 » by sidney lanier » Tue Jun 7, 2022 2:52 am

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League-wide ORtg this past season was 112.0. Whatever is done, if anything, to stem the tide, it should reduce 3P% to below 33% (currently 35.4%) as a disincentive to shooting so many.

Still like the big ball. I cannot lie.

I can't find 2p% for teams (I don't have time to calculate it right now), but I think teams are shooting 2pt shots better than 50%. So if your point is to make 3p% comparable it would be 2/3rds what the 2p% is. For example, if 2p% is 54%, a "balanced" 3p% would be 36%


That’s exactly right. Looked at more simply, if teams averaged one point per possession, as they used to until a few years ago, making a third of TPA would put that shot more or less at equilibrium with other shots and restore variety to the game.

As I posted earlier, I think a 33-inch circumference ball (current ball is 29.5) would accomplish this.
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Post#1671 » by raferfenix » Tue Jun 7, 2022 3:08 am

So how are the Suns going to be better next year without Ayton and with Paul a year older?

Have a hard time seeing any potential return in an Ayton sign and trade leading to an improvement on the court.
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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1672 » by Prez » Tue Jun 7, 2022 6:43 am

Bucksfan28 wrote:Co-sign Ray Allen or Klay. RIP rest of the league. I'll add Ginobili and Billups to that list.

Was going to say Bosh but he made first team in 07.

Totally forgot about Ginobili, would be incredible here. Man I wish at some point we can get an elite, super creative passer on this team to pair with Giannis.
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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1673 » by DrWood » Tue Jun 7, 2022 8:42 am

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Robert Horry is usually a good answer.

Young Steph Curry.



I assume he means players that were never first-team.

Of course I would have to go with Ray Allen.

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stop it........we go 4/4/4/4 through the postseason

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Post#1674 » by DrWood » Tue Jun 7, 2022 8:50 am

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That’s exactly right. Looked at more simply, if teams averaged one point per possession, as they used to until a few years ago, making a third of TPA would put that shot more or less at equilibrium with other shots and restore variety to the game.

As I posted earlier, I think a 33-inch circumference ball (current ball is 29.5) would accomplish this.

I can't see why we'd want to aim for 1 PPP. But you've miscalculated because you failed to consider turnovers/fouls in the points per possessions.

No one uses a 33" ball, it would make a huge, deleterious difference. The volume would be 40% larger.
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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1675 » by WRau1 » Tue Jun 7, 2022 12:53 pm

raferfenix wrote:So how are the Suns going to be better next year without Ayton and with Paul a year older?

Have a hard time seeing any potential return in an Ayton sign and trade leading to an improvement on the court.


CHI is rumored to be going after one of Ayton or Gobert, I think any deal has to start to with Vucevic. I don't think Vuc + filler is much, if any, drop-off from Ayton. Don't know how the Suns manage an aging CP3, though.
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Post#1676 » by sidney lanier » Tue Jun 7, 2022 1:40 pm

DrWood wrote:
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That’s exactly right. Looked at more simply, if teams averaged one point per possession, as they used to until a few years ago, making a third of TPA would put that shot more or less at equilibrium with other shots and restore variety to the game.

As I posted earlier, I think a 33-inch circumference ball (current ball is 29.5) would accomplish this.

I can't see why we'd want to aim for 1 PPP. But you've miscalculated because you failed to consider turnovers/fouls in the points per possessions.

No one uses a 33" ball, it would make a huge, deleterious difference. The volume would be 40% larger.


Which is why I said more or less. Not aiming for one PPP, just using that as a simple illustration of the rebalancing that could take place.

And yes, the ball would be noticeably bigger -- about an inch bigger in diameter -- (33-29.5)/pi -- and, as you say, about 40% bigger in volume. It's about the same difference as between the women's size 6 basketball and the current size 7. The balls already exist and are made for shooting training purposes.

Grow your game, literally with the NBA Oversized basketball. Weighing the same as a regulation size 7 basketball it’s all about improving your shot. It helps develop arc and accuracy, giving you less room for error. This official oversized basketball of the NBA comes in a large 33” size and a microfiber composite leather cover for an in-game feel.

https://www.wilson.com/en-us/product/nba-oversized-bskt-wz10049#colorsteamname=77265&size=54098


The 22-foot corner three is not significantly harder than a 10-foot midrange with the current ball and under the current rules. The idea is to tilt the slope of the line that expresses difficulty as a function of distance. This would probably do it, but it would look funny for a while.

I think Giannis would be on board.
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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1677 » by German Athens » Tue Jun 7, 2022 1:50 pm

Anchor the 2pt field goal, and then have the 3 worth more or less depending on a three year moving average of shooting percentages. Round to the hundredth.

If average 2pt is current 53% and the 3 is 36%, make the three worth 2.94 pts.

Have the nba partner with schools to promote mathematics. Boom.
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Post#1678 » by German Athens » Tue Jun 7, 2022 1:52 pm

I just really wanna see the bucks win 120.00 - 104.00.
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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1679 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Jun 7, 2022 3:07 pm

sidney lanier wrote:
DrWood wrote:
sidney lanier wrote:
That’s exactly right. Looked at more simply, if teams averaged one point per possession, as they used to until a few years ago, making a third of TPA would put that shot more or less at equilibrium with other shots and restore variety to the game.

As I posted earlier, I think a 33-inch circumference ball (current ball is 29.5) would accomplish this.

I can't see why we'd want to aim for 1 PPP. But you've miscalculated because you failed to consider turnovers/fouls in the points per possessions.

No one uses a 33" ball, it would make a huge, deleterious difference. The volume would be 40% larger.


Which is why I said more or less. Not aiming for one PPP, just using that as a simple illustration of the rebalancing that could take place.

And yes, the ball would be noticeably bigger -- about an inch bigger in diameter -- (33-29.5)/pi -- and, as you say, about 40% bigger in volume. It's about the same difference as between the women's size 6 basketball and the current size 7. The balls already exist and are made for shooting training purposes.

Grow your game, literally with the NBA Oversized basketball. Weighing the same as a regulation size 7 basketball it’s all about improving your shot. It helps develop arc and accuracy, giving you less room for error. This official oversized basketball of the NBA comes in a large 33” size and a microfiber composite leather cover for an in-game feel.

https://www.wilson.com/en-us/product/nba-oversized-bskt-wz10049#colorsteamname=77265&size=54098


The 22-foot corner three is not significantly harder than a 10-foot midrange with the current ball and under the current rules. The idea is to tilt the slope of the line that expresses difficulty as a function of distance. This would probably do it, but it would look funny for a while.

I think Giannis would be on board.
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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1680 » by paulpressey25 » Tue Jun 7, 2022 3:08 pm

Nice story about Larry Harris and Golden State. Do not believe it to be coincidental that they've done so well since he got there. He was good at finding guys who could play in the later parts of the draft.

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