Did the Celtics lose game 2 because of the refs?

[Fable]

[DonaldSanders]

They had 4 fouls after 5 min, and again were in the penalty in the middle of the second q.

How could they be aggressive?

Tell them to quit wasting fouls on take fouls and they wouldn't have this issue. They had several of these in the first half.

I forgot..
While at it, let's tell Grant Williams to evaporate when Draymond Green runs through him and gets the call.

That was a clear offensive foul.

You're forgetting that Williams and Smart are known floppers, while you gain at times from flopping other times you're going to get the short end of the stick when there is off ball contact. This is part of the consequences of being a Known Flopper.

I’m not sure about board etiquette, but if a Warriors fan started this thread, isn’t that being a troll?

I don't think so, if you look at the game thread like 50% of posts by a Celtics fan are complaining about the refs. It was worth discussing.

He pushed the envelope early to see what he could get away with. And then some more... and then some more. He probably had about 15 "fouls"... but if they're not getting called, a smart player/team will keep pushing and pushing. If you're smart and good at it and have enough clout, you can definitely use it to swing important games.


Simply put... a foul is only a foul if it's called.

Yup. I think that Celtics fans don't realize how many non-calls the Celtics regularly get on defense. Game 1 in the 1st half I probably could find 3-4 2-hand shoves that went uncalled, a knee in the back of Looney, etc.

The Celtics have that classic philosophy on D that if you're constantly fouling the refs can only call a certain %. Draymond does it too, but the Celtics as a team do it more. There were a few phantom whistles in our favor the first half, but we also got shafted on 2 clear path fouls that went uncalled.

The game was called slightly in our favor but it's nowhere as egregious as people are making it out to be. The Celtics got called for 1 more PF and shot 3 fewer FT while the Warriors took 6 more shots in total. Obviously the number of fouls doesn't have to be even, but considering how mad people were about the 1st half you'd think that there was some kind of crazy unfair disparity. The Warriors had 4 FT wiped off the board in the 1st half due to the missed clear path calls. Those are huge calls -- 2 shots and possession.

[JN61]

Well no. But it's clear they would have had 10-15 point lead by half time with equal reffing. But I do believe they would have had similar collapse on the 3rd quarter and lost regardless.

It's still clear reffing is extremely warriors favoring.

[PizzaSteve]

No, they had a lot of unforced turnovers and they didn't play as aggressively on defense as the Warriors did. I feel the game 1 win made them a little complacent as opposed to hungrier for the win, as if they'd done what they needed to do getting out of GS 1-1

They had 4 fouls after 5 min, and again were in the penalty in the middle of the second q.

How could they be aggressive?

The thing is that they were commiting even more than 4. Are you saying they werent committing fouls?

[NBA4Lyfe]

celtics got discouraged and gave up because of what the refs were allowing on end and not the other

[Admiral-Kizaru]

The first half of game 1 was called extremely in favor of the Celtics. Steph had more fouls than the entire Celtics team in the 1st quarter. The Celtics foul constantly and have been on the receiving end of favorable ref whistles since the Bucks series.

[robbie84]

In the first half I though Celts got very favorable no calls on defense that kept them in the game, despite poor shooting and many turnovers. In the second half I think the warriors adjusted and benefitted from the no calls a bit, but not much impact. They were hitting shots through the contact, except for Klay.

The poor calls in the first quarter put multiple C's in foul trouble and affected their ability to defend without worrying about fouling.
It's not the reason the Celtics lost, but it definitely contributed to a lack of defensive pressure.

This is straight bull. None of those guys had 3 fouls at halftime, when the game was still close. Tatum took a take foul, like a dummy, and on Curry who is likely to make both FTs. There was the one bad call on Brown on the GP layup attempt. They stayed in the game and didn't get in further foul trouble. Can't see how you can act like that turned the game upside down.

Tatum, Brown and Williams all had 2 fouls in the first quarter.

[BudenFerry]

The poor calls in the first quarter put multiple C's in foul trouble and affected their ability to defend without worrying about fouling.
It's not the reason the Celtics lost, but it definitely contributed to a lack of defensive pressure.

This is straight bull. None of those guys had 3 fouls at halftime, when the game was still close. Tatum took a take foul, like a dummy, and on Curry who is likely to make both FTs. There was the one bad call on Brown on the GP layup attempt. They stayed in the game and didn't get in further foul trouble. Can't see how you can act like that turned the game upside down.

Tatum, Brown and Williams all had 2 fouls in the first quarter.

When did I say different?

[AussieCeltic]

Tell them to quit wasting fouls on take fouls and they wouldn't have this issue. They had several of these in the first half.

I forgot..
While at it, let's tell Grant Williams to evaporate when Draymond Green runs through him and gets the call.

That was a clear offensive foul.

You're forgetting that Williams and Smart are known floppers, while you gain at times from flopping other times you're going to get the short end of the stick when there is off ball contact. This is part of the consequences of being a Known Flopper.

I’m not sure about board etiquette, but if a Warriors fan started this thread, isn’t that being a troll?

I don't think so, if you look at the game thread like 50% of posts by a Celtics fan are complaining about the refs. It was worth discussing.

He pushed the envelope early to see what he could get away with. And then some more... and then some more. He probably had about 15 "fouls"... but if they're not getting called, a smart player/team will keep pushing and pushing. If you're smart and good at it and have enough clout, you can definitely use it to swing important games.


Simply put... a foul is only a foul if it's called.

Yup. I think that Celtics fans don't realize how many non-calls the Celtics regularly get on defense. Game 1 in the 1st half I probably could find 3-4 2-hand shoves that went uncalled, a knee in the back of Looney, etc.

The Celtics have that classic philosophy on D that if you're constantly fouling the refs can only call a certain %. Draymond does it too, but the Celtics as a team do it more. There were a few phantom whistles in our favor the first half, but we also got shafted on 2 clear path fouls that went uncalled.

The game was called slightly in our favor but it's nowhere as egregious as people are making it out to be. The Celtics got called for 1 more PF and shot 3 fewer FT while the Warriors took 6 more shots in total. Obviously the number of fouls doesn't have to be even, but considering how mad people were about the 1st half you'd think that there was some kind of crazy unfair disparity. The Warriors had 4 FT wiped off the board in the 1st half due to the missed clear path calls. Those are huge calls -- 2 shots and possession.

The game thread was everyone bar Warriors fans complaining about the refs. It wasn’t just Celtic fans. Heck, got check NBA media, players and former players on Twitter talking about the refs. It was as egregious as it gets.

It doesn’t matter though, the better team won on the night.

[bigbreakfast]

the refs wanted to extend the series, say the people complaining about the officiating in the first half of game 2. because the nba thinks it's worth the risk to the league's credibility and long term success... to start rigging the games in the first half of game 2 to extend the series... yes that totally makes sense

home teams that play aggressively and physically and force the referees to make calls have always gotten the benefit of the whistle just like stars in the nba have always gotten the benefit of the whistle.... doesn't mean the game is being rigged, just means the ref are fallible.

its like ppl have never watched the nba before and think every game is the worst officiated game they've seen in their entire life of watching nba.

[DonaldSanders]

The game thread was everyone bar Warriors fans complaining about the refs. It wasn’t just Celtic fans. Heck, got check NBA media, players and former players on Twitter talking about the refs. It was as egregious as it gets.

It doesn’t matter though, the better team won on the night.

I said it was in favor of the Warriors, just not as bad as some people made it out to be. There are a ton of Warrior haters on the board so a lot of those "neutral" fans really aren't. Missing 2 clear path fouls (4FT) gets forgotten pretty fast when you can think about Draymond Green's much more demonstrative plays that the officials botched. Not remotely as egregious as Celtics-Heat game 3 where the Celtics had 30 FT to the Heat's 14FT and the eye test did NOT match that, so let's not get carried away here.

Game 1 officiating was in favor of the Celtics, Curry had more fouls in the 1st half than the entire Celtics starting 5 who had very few (might have been 0) fouls. The whole argument the Celtics fans made about "quarter 1 could have been stronger had it not been for the refs" applies basically the same as GS in Q1 of game 1. Agree that the better team on each night has won, refs haven't really been a factor.

Anyway I don't expect you to agree, but I do hope we all see a more evenly officiated series from here on out. It's very hard with 2 teams that are extremely physical and players flopping.

[Scalabrine]

Poole should've been ejected.

I lol'd!

For what?!?

[facothomas22]

No. The Warriors were playing great defense in the 2nd half,The Celtics had almost 20 turnovers, Jaylen Brown disappearing in the 2nd half, Al Horford being uneffective(atleast on offense) and Marcus Smart not looking like the defensive player of the year are what led to the Celtics losing in game 2.

[turnaroundJ]

i think physical draymond screens is a fair trade-off for being physical with steph. you would have to call it both ways and no one wants to watch a game full of whistles.

[robbie84]

This is straight bull. None of those guys had 3 fouls at halftime, when the game was still close. Tatum took a take foul, like a dummy, and on Curry who is likely to make both FTs. There was the one bad call on Brown on the GP layup attempt. They stayed in the game and didn't get in further foul trouble. Can't see how you can act like that turned the game upside down.

Tatum, Brown and Williams all had 2 fouls in the first quarter.

When did I say different?

You said that because they didn't have 3 fouls it meant it had nothing to do with influencing the game. The whole point is the Celtics on 2 fouls can't defend as aggressively to make sure they don't pip up 3 or 4 fouls by half time. This then helps the Warriors offense obviously. The game being close has nothing to do with it. It hurts the Celtics and helps the Warriors.
How is this hard to understand?

[Zvaart]

I watched the game last night afrer reading the posts here and i was expecting to see egregious missed calls, blood and teeth on fhe floor. To my surprise it was nothing of the likes, just a missed call here and there and a physical game. So i see 37 people think the reffs won it for the dubs. I can't say i am shocked, cause some of them are the usual trolls and haters, but i am really sorry for the genuine ones, fhere is no way it happened this way, thw dubs won fair and square, as did the Celtics in game one

[baldur]

lol.

[queridiculo]

This thread is still going?

[Larry_Russell]

Draymond committed many fouls and got away with them.

He should have been ejected with a 2nd technical

Some momentum killing fouls on boston too.





But





Boston let that **** in theirbheads. They got whiny and got flat. They HAVE to learn to block that noise out and just play.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I forgot..
While at it, let's tell Grant Williams to evaporate when Draymond Green runs through him and gets the call.

That was a clear offensive foul.

You're forgetting that Williams and Smart are known floppers, while you gain at times from flopping other times you're going to get the short end of the stick when there is off ball contact. This is part of the consequences of being a Known Flopper.

I’m not sure about board etiquette, but if a Warriors fan started this thread, isn’t that being a troll?

I don't think so, if you look at the game thread like 50% of posts by a Celtics fan are complaining about the refs. It was worth discussing.

He pushed the envelope early to see what he could get away with. And then some more... and then some more. He probably had about 15 "fouls"... but if they're not getting called, a smart player/team will keep pushing and pushing. If you're smart and good at it and have enough clout, you can definitely use it to swing important games.


Simply put... a foul is only a foul if it's called.

Yup. I think that Celtics fans don't realize how many non-calls the Celtics regularly get on defense. Game 1 in the 1st half I probably could find 3-4 2-hand shoves that went uncalled, a knee in the back of Looney, etc.

The Celtics have that classic philosophy on D that if you're constantly fouling the refs can only call a certain %. Draymond does it too, but the Celtics as a team do it more. There were a few phantom whistles in our favor the first half, but we also got shafted on 2 clear path fouls that went uncalled.

The game was called slightly in our favor but it's nowhere as egregious as people are making it out to be. The Celtics got called for 1 more PF and shot 3 fewer FT while the Warriors took 6 more shots in total. Obviously the number of fouls doesn't have to be even, but considering how mad people were about the 1st half you'd think that there was some kind of crazy unfair disparity. The Warriors had 4 FT wiped off the board in the 1st half due to the missed clear path calls. Those are huge calls -- 2 shots and possession.

The game thread was everyone bar Warriors fans complaining about the refs. It wasn’t just Celtic fans. Heck, got check NBA media, players and former players on Twitter talking about the refs. It was as egregious as it gets.

It doesn’t matter though, the better team won on the night.

Yep. In this particular game, the Warriors were the team that dictated how the game was going to be called.

And it helped that they have a DPOY with A LOT of clout with officials to take advantage of it. The "whataboutism" doesn't fly when discussing Game 2.