2022 NBA Finals | (3) GSW VS. (2) BOS (TIED 1-1)

[righterwriter]

great adjustments by warriors in game 2. draymond green such a key and elite impact player despite how terrible he is as a scorer and shooter. totally locked down anyone and everyone he was assigned to on boston and clearly got in their head.

absolute lockdown defense against boston in the second half and both brown and tatum were helpless, not to mention how awful smart, horford and the role players were too.

will be tough to see how it plays out at boston. hard to imagine warriors role players like poole, porter, klay etc playing a lot better on the road but it could happen.

still a pick 'em series.

Fine post, but Klay is a role player? Where have you been? I know with half a season, and lost yewr to injury that he wasnt an all star this year, but as a 3x NBA champ, 6x NBA Finals starter, future HOFer, max contract type guy it seems odd to list him with guys we picked up that any team could have signed.

I think I brought this up earlier, but it's not out of bounds to call Klay a role player at this point of his career. He's a Warriors legend, but he can't realistically be counted on for offense or defense currently. It is what it is. Hopefully after a strong summer workout he will be back closer to normal for another finals run.

Klay's numbers in the playoffs this year: 19.1/4.1/2.3 44%/39%

[BoatsNZones]

Fine post, but Klay is a role player? Where have you been? I know with half a season, and lost yewr to injury that he wasnt an all star this year, but as a 3x NBA champ, 6x NBA Finals starter, future HOFer, max contract type guy it seems odd to list him with guys we picked up that any team could have signed.

I think I brought this up earlier, but it's not out of bounds to call Klay a role player at this point of his career. He's a Warriors legend, but he can't realistically be counted on for offense or defense currently. It is what it is. Hopefully after a strong summer workout he will be back closer to normal for another finals run.

Klay's numbers in the playoffs this year: 19.1/4.1/2.3 44%/39%

Correct. Below league average TS% (55.4), a 14.5 PER, .076 WS/48, 0.6 BPM 19/4/2 with slightly below average defense.

He will blow up for a big shooting night once or twice in a series, but is generally a liability otherwise. It is what it is dude. At least he's playing again.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I think I brought this up earlier, but it's not out of bounds to call Klay a role player at this point of his career. He's a Warriors legend, but he can't realistically be counted on for offense or defense currently. It is what it is. Hopefully after a strong summer workout he will be back closer to normal for another finals run.

Klay's numbers in the playoffs this year: 19.1/4.1/2.3 44%/39%

Correct. Below league average TS% (55.4), a 14.5 PER, .076 WS/48, 0.6 BPM 19/4/2 with slightly below average defense.

He will blow up for a big shooting night once or twice in a series, but is generally a liability otherwise. It is what it is dude. At least he's playing again.

Yup

Klay is the 2nd leading scorer, but im not sure he's even top 5 in impact/importance on the dubs this play offs. Although he can and likely will steal you a game.

[jimbutton4]

Does anyone know where I can rewatch the full game replay online, without having League Pass?

https://nbahdreplay.com/

Thank you!

You're welcome!

[Yinwest]

The Warriors, the best home team of this playoffs, supposedly the much better team on paper according to people here. As a Celtics fan, lucky or not, I gladly take it.

[SpreeS]

After 2 games DFGA, DFG% and DIFF%

GSW

Wiggs 16.5 42.4 -3.2
Green 14.5 41.4 -4.4
Curry 12.5 36.0 -9.3
Klay 11.0 54.5 +4.5
Poole 11.0 45.5 +1.3
Looney 9.5 21.1 -24.9

BOS

Al 16.0 46.9 0.0
White 11.5 34.8 -11.2
RWIII 10.5 38.1 -8.1
Tatum 10.0 40.0 -7.3
Smart 9.0 38.9 -7.5
Brown 8.5 29.4 -16.3

Matchups FG/3PT/FT

Wiggs

Tatum 5-15 3-7 0-0
Brown 2-5 0-1 3-3

Green

Brown 4-12 1-7 2-3

Curry

Smart 2-7 2-5 0-0
White 1-4 1-2 2-2
Brown 2-7 0-1 0-0
Tatum 2-5 1-2 4-8

Tatum

Curry 2-6 2-3 3-4
Klay 1-5 1-4 0-0

Smart

Curry 4-7 2-5 2-2

White

Curry 4-10 2-4 0-0
Klay 0-4 0-2 0-0
Poole 0-3 0-2 2-2

Al

Curry 3-8 2-4 0-0
Klay 3-7 2-3 0-0

Looney

Brown 0-5 0-2 0-0
Tatum 0-4 0-0 2-2

1. defensive monsters White and Looney
2. White makes more damage to Curry than Smart
3. Wiggs has done nice job on Tatum
4. Curry so far very good on def
5. Curry and Al are targets on defences
6. GSW avoids better the best BOS defenders, than BOS.

[BK_2020]

After 2 games DFGA, DFG% and DIFF%

GSW

Wiggs 16.5 42.4 -3.2
Green 14.5 41.4 -4.4
Curry 12.5 36.0 -9.3
Klay 11.0 54.5 +4.5
Poole 11.0 45.5 +1.3
Looney 9.5 21.1 -24.9

BOS

Al 16.0 46.9 0.0
White 11.5 34.8 -11.2
RWIII 10.5 38.1 -8.1
Tatum 10.0 40.0 -7.3
Smart 9.0 38.9 -7.5
Brown 8.5 29.4 -16.3

Matchups FG/3PT/FT

Wiggs

Tatum 5-15 3-7 0-0
Brown 2-5 0-1 3-3

Green

Brown 4-12 1-7 2-3

Curry

Smart 2-7 2-5 0-0
White 1-4 1-2 2-2
Brown 2-7 0-1 0-0
Tatum 2-5 1-2 4-8

Tatum

Curry 2-6 2-3 3-4
Klay 1-5 1-4 0-0

Smart

Curry 4-7 2-5 2-2

White

Curry 4-10 2-4 0-0
Klay 0-4 0-2 0-0
Poole 0-3 0-2 2-2

Al

Curry 3-8 2-4 0-0
Klay 3-7 2-3 0-0

Looney

Brown 0-5 0-2 0-0
Tatum 0-4 0-0 2-2

1. defensive monsters White and Looney
2. White makes more damage to Curry than Smart
3. Wiggs has done nice job on Tatum
4. Curry so far very good on def
5. Curry and Al are targets on defences
6. GSW avoids better the best BOS defenders, than BOS.

So basically you looked at some stats and "match ups" and tried to reconstruct the games in your head to decide who played good defense. It really doesn't work like that. Players constantly switch. Players also miss open shots. Just because Player A is supposed to be guarding Player B in your headcanon doesn't mean all of Player B's misses are due to Player A's good defense.

Wiggins, for example, was defending Tatum on exactly two of Tatum's misses in game 2. One of those misses was a transition three where Tatum just missed an open shot. In Game one, the same story. Wiggins was on the court when Tatum missed, but you have to watch the games to tell whether good defense was played or not.

[BK_2020]

I am happy for Wiggins newfound success as a role player but he is still the same Wiggins from Minny, just in a reduced role.

https://webm.red/XkA5

[SpreeS]

After 2 games DFGA, DFG% and DIFF%

GSW

Wiggs 16.5 42.4 -3.2
Green 14.5 41.4 -4.4
Curry 12.5 36.0 -9.3
Klay 11.0 54.5 +4.5
Poole 11.0 45.5 +1.3
Looney 9.5 21.1 -24.9

BOS

Al 16.0 46.9 0.0
White 11.5 34.8 -11.2
RWIII 10.5 38.1 -8.1
Tatum 10.0 40.0 -7.3
Smart 9.0 38.9 -7.5
Brown 8.5 29.4 -16.3

Matchups FG/3PT/FT

Wiggs

Tatum 5-15 3-7 0-0
Brown 2-5 0-1 3-3

Green

Brown 4-12 1-7 2-3

Curry

Smart 2-7 2-5 0-0
White 1-4 1-2 2-2
Brown 2-7 0-1 0-0
Tatum 2-5 1-2 4-8

Tatum

Curry 2-6 2-3 3-4
Klay 1-5 1-4 0-0

Smart

Curry 4-7 2-5 2-2

White

Curry 4-10 2-4 0-0
Klay 0-4 0-2 0-0
Poole 0-3 0-2 2-2

Al

Curry 3-8 2-4 0-0
Klay 3-7 2-3 0-0

Looney

Brown 0-5 0-2 0-0
Tatum 0-4 0-0 2-2

1. defensive monsters White and Looney
2. White makes more damage to Curry than Smart
3. Wiggs has done nice job on Tatum
4. Curry so far very good on def
5. Curry and Al are targets on defences
6. GSW avoids better the best BOS defenders, than BOS.

So basically you looked at some stats and "match ups" and tried to reconstruct the games in your head to decide who played good defense. It really doesn't work like that. Players constantly switch. Players also miss open shots. Just because Player A is supposed to be guarding Player B in your headcanon doesn't mean all of Player B's misses are due to Player A's good defense.

Wiggins, for example, was defending Tatum on exactly two of Tatum's misses in game 2. One of those misses was a transition three where Tatum just missed an open shot. In Game one, the same story. Wiggins was on the court when Tatum missed, but you have to watch the games to tell whether good defense was played or not.

I dont get what you want to say... these numbers confirm what I see on the floor. Also all these photo worth nothing if you want to discredit Wiggs defence

[ballup]

Celtics were not ready for GPII. The dog days of summer are here Boston.


Looks like Iguodala is officially out for the count and calling it a career though. Crazy that he took the team on his back and carried them to a title as Finals MVP just 7 years ago.

As opposed to the brisk stroll in the park that were the Heat and the Bucks? Yo GP built diff from Tucker, Oladipo, and Lopez? From Butler, Jrue, and Giannis?

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[BK_2020]

Wiggins is literally nowhere near when Tatum missed. What is so hard to understand?

[SpreeS]

I am happy for Wiggins newfound success as a role player but he is still the same Wiggins from Minny, just in a reduced role.

https://webm.red/XkA5

Relex buddy, Tatum has .469 TS and Wiggs does good job on him.

[SpreeS]

Wiggins is literally nowhere near when Tatum missed. What is so hard to understand?

1 and 3 photo - Wiggs switchs on Tatum with Green and Curry
2 photo it will be contested shot
4 photo Wiggs defend White in the corner.

[BK_2020]

Wiggins is literally nowhere near when Tatum missed. What is so hard to understand?

1 and 3 photo - Wiggs switchs on Tatum with Green and Curry
2 photo it will be contested shot
4 photo Wiggs defend White in the corner.

You are missing my point buddy. My point isn't that Wiggins played bad defense all the time. It's that you can't use theoretical matchups to determine that a matchup's misses were all caused by the putative defender. Wiggins might have been assigned to Tatum, but he is nowhere near challenging Tatum on most of the misses whatever the reason.

[SpreeS]

Wiggins is literally nowhere near when Tatum missed. What is so hard to understand?

1 and 3 photo - Wiggs switchs on Tatum with Green and Curry
2 photo it will be contested shot
4 photo Wiggs defend White in the corner.

You are missing my point buddy. My point isn't that Wiggins played bad defense all the time. It's that you can't use theoretical matchups to determine that a matchup's misses were all caused by the putative defender. Wiggins might have been assigned to Tatum, but he is nowhere near challenging Tatum on most of the misses whatever the reason.

Tatum is 4-22 from 2P. Tight and very tight 4-18 from 2P. For me its excellent defence.

[BK_2020]

1 and 3 photo - Wiggs switchs on Tatum with Green and Curry
2 photo it will be contested shot
4 photo Wiggs defend White in the corner.

You are missing my point buddy. My point isn't that Wiggins played bad defense all the time. It's that you can't use theoretical matchups to determine that a matchup's misses were all caused by the putative defender. Wiggins might have been assigned to Tatum, but he is nowhere near challenging Tatum on most of the misses whatever the reason.

Tatum is 4-22 from 2P. Tight and very tight 4-18 from 2P. For me its excellent defence.

You can't rely on overall results when you evaluate defense. Most of those 20 misses from 2P, Wiggins was not even defending Tatum. In Game 2, Wiggins was not the defender for any of Tatum's misses from the 2P (in one 2 pointer miss, Tatum was backing Wiggins down when Draymond came to double and blocked Tatum).

[SpreeS]

You are missing my point buddy. My point isn't that Wiggins played bad defense all the time. It's that you can't use theoretical matchups to determine that a matchup's misses were all caused by the putative defender. Wiggins might have been assigned to Tatum, but he is nowhere near challenging Tatum on most of the misses whatever the reason.

Tatum is 4-22 from 2P. Tight and very tight 4-18 from 2P. For me its excellent defence.

You can't rely on overall results when you evaluate defense. Most of those 20 misses from 2P, Wiggins was not even defending Tatum. In Game 2, Wiggins was not the defender for any of Tatum's misses from the 2P (in one 2 pointer miss, Tatum was backing Wiggins down when Draymond came to double and blocked Tatum).

I see these numbers: Tatum 2-8 from 2P against Wiggs....

[Crunch 99]

Isn't it weird that Doncic followed a great Suns series performance with a rough Warrior's series? Fans are way slow in recognizing defensive dominance.

Both the Suns and Warriors play good defense, but Doncic's overall production was good/similar for both series:

Doncic vs. Phoenix in Conference Semi-Finals: 32.6 ppg on 24.4 fga, 58.3 TS% with 9.9 rebs, 7 asts and 4 TOVs.

Doncic vs. GS in Conference Finals: 32 ppg on 23.6 fga, 55.9 TS% with 9 rebs, 6 ast and 3.8 TOVS.

[michaelm]

I am happy for Wiggins newfound success as a role player but he is still the same Wiggins from Minny, just in a reduced role.

https://webm.red/XkA5

If he ends the season as a role player who was the second or third most important player on a title winning team I am sure he will be happy and the GSW organisation will be happy, as will GSW fans, and you can please yourself; you can certainly feel free as far as I am concerned to continue to admire non role players on losing teams.

[jfs1000d]

1 and 3 photo - Wiggs switchs on Tatum with Green and Curry
2 photo it will be contested shot
4 photo Wiggs defend White in the corner.

You are missing my point buddy. My point isn't that Wiggins played bad defense all the time. It's that you can't use theoretical matchups to determine that a matchup's misses were all caused by the putative defender. Wiggins might have been assigned to Tatum, but he is nowhere near challenging Tatum on most of the misses whatever the reason.

Tatum is 4-22 from 2P. Tight and very tight 4-18 from 2P. For me its excellent defence.

It's OK. But Tatum is beating himself. He's missing shots, not struggling to get open.

I dont find the Warriors defense more difficult and better than Miami or the Bucks.

To me, the series is too early and what teams can and can't do isn't baked yet. Celtics have these weird games where they, for some reason, dont move the ball on offense. It's bizarre. Game 2 was one of those games.