2022 NBA Draft Part II

[babyjax13]

Bari is PF version of Jay-T

Don't think he has the handles to be that.

[BostonCouchGM]

I really believe he'll be great. He just has that knack for getting to his spots and he has the scorer's mentality. Booker but with defense and more athleticism. He'd be perfect next to Haliburton

[basketballRob]

Bari is PF version of Jay-T

Don't think he has the handles to be that.

The most exciting thing about Jabari is his defense. He allowed 0.616 points per possession which was 2nd in college basketball.

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[Jamaaliver]

Red Flags We Can't Ignore

Agbaji's Unprecedented Lack of Playmaking for a Wing



Ochai Agbaji couldn't win over NBA scouts during his first three years at Kansas. He did this season during Kansas' championship run, and now he's viewed as a prospect who could wind up in the back half of the lottery.

So, what exactly did he add or improve to cause the sudden spike in interest? It wasn't creation or playmaking. Corey Kispert is the only senior wing who's been selected in the first round with an assist rate lower than 10.0 percent. Agbaji's 8.7 assist percentage will be the lowest. And he finished the season 1-of-8 out of isolation.

His shooting improvement is the obvious draw (40.7 percent from deep). However, even a career-best 74.3 free-throw mark seems low (career 71.4 percent) for a perceived shooting specialist. He also missed 19-of-23 floaters, which highlights some questionable touch.

Long and athletic, Agbaji was an effective cutter, but his offensive value still revolves mostly around shot-making, and he still made only 26.7 percent of his pull-ups.

These red flags aren't deal-breakers in terms of Agbaji's chances of sticking in the NBA. But using a lottery pick on a 22-year-old wing who doesn't provide any shot creation, passing or off-the-dribble scoring may mean drafting him over higher-upside or better long-term prospects.

Bleacher Report

[SelfishPlayer]

I posted several days ago that Agbaji is the first prospect of his kind since the NCAA extended their three point line. He's not lacking in length, speed, quickness, and vertical explosion for a starting NBA wing. It's okay to improve your shooting range in college. That is not a red flag.

[The Moose]

Red Flags We Can't Ignore

Agbaji's Unprecedented Lack of Playmaking for a Wing



Ochai Agbaji couldn't win over NBA scouts during his first three years at Kansas. He did this season during Kansas' championship run, and now he's viewed as a prospect who could wind up in the back half of the lottery.

So, what exactly did he add or improve to cause the sudden spike in interest? It wasn't creation or playmaking. Corey Kispert is the only senior wing who's been selected in the first round with an assist rate lower than 10.0 percent. Agbaji's 8.7 assist percentage will be the lowest. And he finished the season 1-of-8 out of isolation.

His shooting improvement is the obvious draw (40.7 percent from deep). However, even a career-best 74.3 free-throw mark seems low (career 71.4 percent) for a perceived shooting specialist. He also missed 19-of-23 floaters, which highlights some questionable touch.

Long and athletic, Agbaji was an effective cutter, but his offensive value still revolves mostly around shot-making, and he still made only 26.7 percent of his pull-ups.

These red flags aren't deal-breakers in terms of Agbaji's chances of sticking in the NBA. But using a lottery pick on a 22-year-old wing who doesn't provide any shot creation, passing or off-the-dribble scoring may mean drafting him over higher-upside or better long-term prospects.

Bleacher Report

I have similar concerns with Agbaji, wouldnt touch him in the lotto. That being said, I have similar concerns with a few other guards/wings projected to in the lottery. Wings with average size, in that 6'4-6'6 range, who combine lack of playmaking + lack of defensive playmaking just dont have a great success rate as far as lottery picks go. It's an archetype I wouldnt be very comfortable drafting at the top of the draft

[clyde21]

Bari is PF version of Jay-T

Don't think he has the handles to be that.

Bari's handle talk is the most overrated thing on the board right now, he's fine

[Jamaaliver]

[FrightCoward]

At this point, the draft is looking comical.

The worst of the 3 is being drafted first it seems.

Jabari cannot finish, Jabari cannot dribble. Hell Jabari cannot even run a fast break 0.77 PPS on transition as ball handler per synergy. I've never seen a case of such delusion on the top of the draft. This is a historically bad years in terms of assessment at the top.

You’re simply wrong. Jabari will be the best player by far out of this draft, and it’s not even close. He’s a full year younger than Chet, he’s a legit 6’10 with one of the sweetest strokes you’ll ever see from a player his size. His handle is drastically overblown and not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. He’s going to be able to get his shot off against anyone in the league, and his shooting ability for his size is phenomenal. This isn’t difficult to figure out. Age matters when evaluating talent, and the fact that he just turned 19 and has so much more room to grow pushes him drastically ahead of anyone else. He’s going to be a 25 PPG scorer in his prime, and I might be selling that short. This isn’t about what he is, but it’s about what he could become. He doesn’t need to be Allen Iverson dribbling the ball when he can literally pull up from anywhere and get his shot off on anyone.

[Sphynx]

Dyson doesn't have a high floor. He can rather easily be the next Dante Exum.

I'm not sure how anyone who has watched anymore than 3 seconds of both of them could compare them.

[Catchall]

At this point, the draft is looking comical.

The worst of the 3 is being drafted first it seems.

Jabari cannot finish, Jabari cannot dribble. Hell Jabari cannot even run a fast break 0.77 PPS on transition as ball handler per synergy. I've never seen a case of such delusion on the top of the draft. This is a historically bad years in terms of assessment at the top.

Jabari gets JJJ/Rashard comps
Paolo gets Randle/Griffin comps
Chet gets Gasol/Gobert comps

I think this could be some of the issues with the top, some of the comps aren't that great.

I'd give Jabari wing-version of JJJ or healthy-version-of-MPJ comps.
I'd give Chet better-version-of-Jonathan Issac or bigger, better-Andrei Kirilenko comps.

Comparing Paolo to Blake Griffin and Julius Randle is just plain lazy. He looks almost generationally special to me. He's like the proverbial Ben Simmons with a jump shot and advanced scoring ability. Like 25/9/6. Granted, he doesn't always play defense.

[babyjax13]

At this point, the draft is looking comical.

The worst of the 3 is being drafted first it seems.

Jabari cannot finish, Jabari cannot dribble. Hell Jabari cannot even run a fast break 0.77 PPS on transition as ball handler per synergy. I've never seen a case of such delusion on the top of the draft. This is a historically bad years in terms of assessment at the top.

Jabari gets JJJ/Rashard comps
Paolo gets Randle/Griffin comps
Chet gets Gasol/Gobert comps

I think this could be some of the issues with the top, some of the comps aren't that great.

I'd give Jabari wing-version of JJJ or healthy-version-of-MPJ comps.
I'd give Chet better-version-of-Jonathan Issac or bigger, better-Andrei Kirilenko comps.

Comparing Paolo to Blake Griffin and Julius Randle is just plain lazy. He looks almost generationally special to me. He's like the proverbial Ben Simmons with a jump shot and advanced scoring ability. Like 25/9/6. Granted, he doesn't always play defense.

Prime Blake Griffin was a top 10 player in the league. Early Detroit Blake Griffin was a top 15 player (but also better than early Blake). 29/9/6 with a jumper sounds a lot like Detroit Blake averaging 25/8/5 shooting 36% from 3 on 7 attempts. I think we throw around generational too much, there is no generational prospect in this draft (except maybe David Roddy, as the strangest prospect I've ever seen).

[SelfishPlayer]

The weird thing about this time of year in the modern NBA is that we can all see guards and wings, full time perimeter players, lead their teams to NBA championships, yet without fail overvaluing height persists in ranking NBA draft prospects.

Jaden Ivey, Mathurin, Kendall Brown, and Eason as a group physically appear to be more like what leads a modern NBA team to a championship over Jabari, Chet, and Banchero.

Look at GSW and Boston, how much draft capital have they invested in their starting big men/front court/PF/C/4/5?

[WargamesX]

The weird thing about this time of year in the modern NBA is that we can all see guards and wings, full time perimeter players, lead their teams to NBA championships, yet without fail overvaluing height persists in ranking NBA draft prospects.

Jaden Ivey, Mathurin, Kendall Brown, and Eason as a group physically appear to be more like what leads a modern NBA team to a championship over Jabari, Chet, and Banchero.

Look at GSW and Boston, how much draft capital have they invested in their starting big men/front court/PF/C/4/5?

I mean Draymond and Horford are both highly skilled PF. Even if they aren’t the best players on their teams they are compensated well. I think the center spot has been devalued, but that aligns with most mocks that don’t have a center going 1-10 even though a center like Duren based on talent and physical development has 1-10 potential.

Also the two players at the top of the MVP chase were centers and the closest runner up for ROY was a center. Centers still matter except the playoffs as long as they can guard the perimeter a bit.

[CptCrunch]

Part X of my crusade against Jabari. Literally will never make a layup in the NBA in his career (exaggeration but not that far off). This is a 6'10" rumored number one pick who cannot finish over college kids.

[NO-KG-AI]

The weird thing about this time of year in the modern NBA is that we can all see guards and wings, full time perimeter players, lead their teams to NBA championships, yet without fail overvaluing height persists in ranking NBA draft prospects.

Jaden Ivey, Mathurin, Kendall Brown, and Eason as a group physically appear to be more like what leads a modern NBA team to a championship over Jabari, Chet, and Banchero.

Look at GSW and Boston, how much draft capital have they invested in their starting big men/front court/PF/C/4/5?

I mean Draymond and Horford are both highly skilled PF. Even if they aren’t the best players on their teams they are compensated well. I think the center spot has been devalued, but that aligns with most mocks that don’t have a center going 1-10 even though a center like Duren based on talent and physical development has 1-10 potential.

Also the two players at the top of the MVP chase were centers and the closest runner up for ROY was a center. Centers still matter except the playoffs as long as they can guard the perimeter a bit.

Also both teams are that good because they picked up the most high quality players in drafts and free agency, and mostly because they drafted multiple stars plus multiple high level role players as well. Neither would pass on top quality prospects at C position if they think it will be a hit.

[clyde21]

Part X of my crusade against Jabari. Literally will never make a layup in the NBA in his career (exaggeration but not that far off). This is a 6'10" rumored number one pick who cannot finish over college kids.

you should drop him at out of the top10 then.

[clyde21]

I posted several days ago that Agbaji is the first prospect of his kind since the NCAA extended their three point line. He's not lacking in length, speed, quickness, and vertical explosion for a starting NBA wing. It's okay to improve your shooting range in college. That is not a red flag.

the red flag is he never really improved anywhere else.

[K_chile22]

Yeah, the rim stuff for Jabari scares the hell out of me. Absurdly low volume for a guy of his size and bad when he does get there

[The Moose]

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hope he's in serious consideration at 5