O'Connor: Bulls interested in Gobert and Mitchell Robinson

[TheSuzerain]

lol we're not getting him for Vuc, Coby, and Ayo. We'd have to include Pat.

[TheSuzerain]

Gobert is actually better than Vuc offensively as well which is funny.

He really isn’t. Watch Gobert play he’s not even close on offense.Vuc is one of the best offensive centers in the league. Gobert and Vuc are just different types of centers.

He's much better on offense. Keeps it simple and finishes. That's better than what Vuc offered last year.

[TheSuzerain]

1. Trade for Gobert without giving up all assets
2. Sell high on Derozan because he doesn't really fit with Gobert

That's an interesting plan for the offseason honestly.

[dougthonus]

1. Trade for Gobert without giving up all assets
2. Sell high on Derozan because he doesn't really fit with Gobert

That's an interesting plan for the offseason honestly.

If there is a team willing to buy high on DeRozan, it's pretty intriguing. I'm not sure what "high" looks like there or who would be interested. If someone's willing to trade for him as if he's a top 20 player in the NBA (multiple 1sts, prospects), then I think you should absolutely sell high on DeRozan to dig yourself out of the asset hole that Vuc left you in, but I'm pretty doubtful that anyone will do so.

Buying Gobert cheap depends a lot on how cheap, because he's almost certainly an impending bad contract.

[mj234eva]

Gobert makes sense if Ball can come back healthy, and/or Ayo (assuming he would still be here) can take another step forward in his progression.

[Jcool0]

1. Trade for Gobert without giving up all assets
2. Sell high on Derozan because he doesn't really fit with Gobert

That's an interesting plan for the offseason honestly.

If there is a team willing to buy high on DeRozan, it's pretty intriguing. I'm not sure what "high" looks like there or who would be interested. If someone's willing to trade for him as if he's a top 20 player in the NBA (multiple 1sts, prospects), then I think you should absolutely sell high on DeRozan to dig yourself out of the asset hole that Vuc left you in, but I'm pretty doubtful that anyone will do so.

Buying Gobert cheap depends a lot on how cheap, because he's almost certainly an impending bad contract.

I think the best you could do for DeRozan would be Miles Bridges. Charlotte thinks it can take a step but needs a vet that can play and might think Bridges is worth big money.

[nomorezorro]

i don't blink at vuc/pat for gobert value-wise in a vacuum. the odds of pat ever becoming remotely as good as gobert are so incredibly small that it's not worth thinking about to me. use the mle or coby to get a solid veteran 3&D pf, you're probably better off than you would have been relying on pat.

there is a legitimate question about how much the bulls want to tie their hands with a core (?) of gobert/derozan/lavine, because you are severely limiting your ability to make follow-up moves for a team that most people would peg as having a ceiling of the ecf at best. buut, on the other hand...we're already without a pick for 2/4 years gobert is under contract so it's not like we're super liquid with assets either way. plus we'd have a newly locked down zach and a reasonably priced derozan as potential tradebait if a top-tier star hits the market, which...could be worse?

based on the way roster construction has trended in the nba, i am generally of the opinion that you should just try to get better and then hope you're good enough to will an "over the top" deal into existence. (that might actually be harder if we add gobert given the general vibes that nobody in the nba likes him, but still.)

[Andi Obst]

Gobert is actually better than Vuc offensively as well which is funny.

He really isn’t. Watch Gobert play he’s not even close on offense.Vuc is one of the best offensive centers in the league. Gobert and Vuc are just different types of centers.

He's much better on offense. Keeps it simple and finishes. That's better than what Vuc offered last year.

His impact on Utah's 3-point-shooting is also underrated. He obviously doesn't take them himself, but having him as a lob threat just makes rotating out to the line a lot harder for the defense. Vuc doesn't provide that (at all).

[ATRAIN53]

I'll take DONOVAN Mitchell please.
I'd rather have him than Zach Lavine!
Money would be similar and Playoff Mitchell is $$$$$

Gobert would great, but way too expensive.

If Thibs isn't looking to re-up Mitchell Robinson, than we should not be looking to pay him.
They have spent 4 years working on him and giving up on him now is bad sign to me.
Unless they are up to something, if they straight up let him walk.....

Mitchell is 2-5 in playoff series. This year he averaged 25 ppg on 39% shooting in a 4-2 series loss.

If I'm building a contender, I'm acquiring guys on this list if I can:

NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Points Per Game

1 Michael Jordan* 33.45
2. Luka Dončić 32.54
3. Allen Iverson* 29.73
4. Kevin Durant 29.41
5. Jerry West* 29.13
6. LeBron James 28.69
7. Donovan Mitchell 28.33
8. Rick Barry* 27.33
Anthony Davis 27.33
10. Elgin Baylor* 27.04
11. Giannis Antetokounmpo 26.78
12. Stephen Curry 26.51

[Jcool0]

I'll take DONOVAN Mitchell please.
I'd rather have him than Zach Lavine!
Money would be similar and Playoff Mitchell is $$$$$

Gobert would great, but way too expensive.

If Thibs isn't looking to re-up Mitchell Robinson, than we should not be looking to pay him.
They have spent 4 years working on him and giving up on him now is bad sign to me.
Unless they are up to something, if they straight up let him walk.....

Mitchell is 2-5 in playoff series. This year he averaged 25 ppg on 39% shooting in a 4-2 series loss.

If I'm building a contender, I'm acquiring guys on this list if I can:

NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Points Per Game

1 Michael Jordan* 33.45
2. Luka Dončić 32.54
3. Allen Iverson* 29.73
4. Kevin Durant 29.41
5. Jerry West* 29.13
6. LeBron James 28.69
7. Donovan Mitchell 28.33
8. Rick Barry* 27.33
Anthony Davis 27.33
10. Elgin Baylor* 27.04
11. Giannis Antetokounmpo 26.78
12. Stephen Curry 26.51

I like winners not chuckers.

[CROBulls]

lol we're not getting him for Vuc, Coby, and Ayo. We'd have to include Pat.

Including Pat means no Ayo in a deal. And that means Jazz including picks of their own to make a deal.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

lol we're not getting him for Vuc, Coby, and Ayo. We'd have to include Pat.

Including Pat means no Ayo in a deal. And that means Jazz including picks of their own to make a deal.

Yeah, I'm sure Ainge will sign off on adding picks to Gobert for the ability to have Vuc and Pat.

[MikeDC]

i don't blink at vuc/pat for gobert value-wise in a vacuum. the odds of pat ever becoming remotely as good as gobert are so incredibly small that it's not worth thinking about to me. use the mle or coby to get a solid veteran 3&D pf, you're probably better off than you would have been relying on pat.

there is a legitimate question about how much the bulls want to tie their hands with a core (?) of gobert/derozan/lavine, because you are severely limiting your ability to make follow-up moves for a team that most people would peg as having a ceiling of the ecf at best.

You are really only limiting yourself if you are unwilling to spend.

If the Bulls are willing to spend more, then this is less of an issue. If they are spending the way they historically have, they’ll probably change corse again in a year at most

[CROBulls]

lol we're not getting him for Vuc, Coby, and Ayo. We'd have to include Pat.

Including Pat means no Ayo in a deal. And that means Jazz including picks of their own to make a deal.

Yeah, I'm sure Ainge will sign off on adding picks to Gobert for the ability to have Vuc and Pat.

As Tommy Lee Jones in Fugitive said. I dont care. I am not interested in high way robbery with hands tied and pants down under my knees. Laugh about it all you wanna

[sco]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/06/fischers-latest-gobert-jazz-bulls-p-williams-snyder-spurs.html

According to Fischer, a Bulls offer for Gobert would – as expected – start with center Nikola Vucevic. The “popular package” discussed by various league executives would also include Patrick Williams, according to Fischer, who notes that the Jazz have long been seeking a wing defender like the former No. 4 overall pick.

However, as Fischer writes, the Bulls weren’t interested in discussing Williams during in-season trade talks for Jerami Grant, so it remains to be seen how open they’d be to including him in an offer for Gobert. If Williams is off the table, adding Coby White and Javonte Green would work from a salary-matching perspective, Fischer observes, but presumably the Jazz would be seeking a more substantial return for one of their two All-Stars.

[Bulliever2020]

If we give up Pat in a package for Gobert, I'm done with this team for a while. Welcome to 1st round exits for the next 5 years.

[jordanwilliams6]

If we bring in Gobert, I seriously think we need to look at moving DDR for another shooting wing (assuming Zach stays). They are an awful offensive pairing that might survive in the regular season but would be the stuff of nightmares in the playoffs.

It would be a different story if I was confident that Lonzo & Zach could remain healthy and hit 40% on 3’s at 8+ attempts a game but I’m not. The team needs more shooting, not less.

[TheSuzerain]

Ball
Lavine
Duncan Robinson
3/D wing or Caruso
Gobert

That's looking interesting to me.

[fleet]

I'm good on Def centric centers in today's nba. We can't score we need offense not more Defense. Vuc isn't the answer either but nor is Gobert/Mit

Fair point, the premium on defense is diminished in the playoffs. All hands are on deck, and max effort defense is more common. OTOH, if you don’t have an answer on some level to the big men in the east like Giannis, it’s tough to advance. Gobert would help a lot. Is it determinative is the question. The roster would need to be revamped to be more complete on D overall.

[chitownsports4ever]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/06/fischers-latest-gobert-jazz-bulls-p-williams-snyder-spurs.html

According to Fischer, a Bulls offer for Gobert would – as expected – start with center Nikola Vucevic. The “popular package” discussed by various league executives would also include Patrick Williams, according to Fischer, who notes that the Jazz have long been seeking a wing defender like the former No. 4 overall pick.

However, as Fischer writes, the Bulls weren’t interested in discussing Williams during in-season trade talks for Jerami Grant, so it remains to be seen how open they’d be to including him in an offer for Gobert. If Williams is off the table, adding Coby White and Javonte Green would work from a salary-matching perspective, Fischer observes, but presumably the Jazz would be seeking a more substantial return for one of their two All-Stars.

LOL by league executives he means the posts hes read on the twitter and the Bulls forums