O'Connor: Bulls interested in Gobert and Mitchell Robinson

[patagonia]

Didn't read the thread. KOC has zero sources and never gets rumors right.

[DuckIII]

Ball
Lavine
Duncan Robinson
3/D wing or Caruso
Gobert

That's looking interesting to me.

Interesting in the sense that it would be interesting to come up with ways to make fun of turning Vuc, Pat and DDR into Gobert and Duncan Robinson’s sorry ass.

[DuckIII]

Ball
Lavine
Duncan Robinson
3/D wing or Caruso
Gobert

That's looking interesting to me.

thats screams lottery to me because you have 4 guys who cant create offense for themselves

Agreed. That is not only a monumental downgrade on the court but utterly destroys all flexibility to dig yourself out of it. Gobert and Robinson are owed $244 million over the next 4 years.

[TheHrvReport]

The first rule of being an NBA GM is DO NOT TRADE WITH DANNY AINGE.

This. All this guy tries to do is get away with highway robbery in trades. Don't be the team that gives into it, especially for a guy like Gobert who is a stud defensively but costs way too much.

[DuckIII]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/06/fischers-latest-gobert-jazz-bulls-p-williams-snyder-spurs.html

According to Fischer, a Bulls offer for Gobert would – as expected – start with center Nikola Vucevic. The “popular package” discussed by various league executives would also include Patrick Williams, according to Fischer, who notes that the Jazz have long been seeking a wing defender like the former No. 4 overall pick.

However, as Fischer writes, the Bulls weren’t interested in discussing Williams during in-season trade talks for Jerami Grant, so it remains to be seen how open they’d be to including him in an offer for Gobert. If Williams is off the table, adding Coby White and Javonte Green would work from a salary-matching perspective, Fischer observes, but presumably the Jazz would be seeking a more substantial return for one of their two All-Stars.

LOL by league executives he means the posts hes read on the twitter and the Bulls forums

What exactly about this report is so unreasonable that you think it’s made up?

[Clint Eastwood]

There is no way that the Bulls trade DeRozan unless it's part of a bigger package which gets us a star. He has provided too much good will for the franchise, not only on the court, but off it, where he has said nothing but positive things about the team, the players and the front office - you don't just undo that, especially for a player on the level of Gobert, who is pretty disliked around the league.

In my scenario our team gets better and thats the main goal. Better chance at winning. And you are sending Derozan to the team he originally wanted to sign with, saving his good will. I like derozan, but we are going no where with his isolation play and bad defense. And he isnt getting any younger, or cheaper…

No, your view on trading him to better the team is no different to mine, the only difference is, if you're willing to break the good-will of the DeRozan signing, it better be for a player much better than Gobert and what he brings. You're essentially trading away one one-dimensional player, for another one-dimensional player, I really see no massive upgrade there. Sure, you get better with interior defense, but now you're removing another shot creator from the team, leaving the team with basically one left in Zach, again.

I disagree. First, you arent breaking good will as you are sending demar to the team he wanted to go to, obviously you make sure he is good with it. Second, i want the ball stopping shot creator gone to give pat will a chance to step up in that regard. This team i think would be better offensively, and certainly better defensively. Just my opinion.i also think gobert is less one dimensional than derozan as he is a great screener, rim runner and dunker.

[kulaz3000]

In my scenario our team gets better and thats the main goal. Better chance at winning. And you are sending Derozan to the team he originally wanted to sign with, saving his good will. I like derozan, but we are going no where with his isolation play and bad defense. And he isnt getting any younger, or cheaper…

No, your view on trading him to better the team is no different to mine, the only difference is, if you're willing to break the good-will of the DeRozan signing, it better be for a player much better than Gobert and what he brings. You're essentially trading away one one-dimensional player, for another one-dimensional player, I really see no massive upgrade there. Sure, you get better with interior defense, but now you're removing another shot creator from the team, leaving the team with basically one left in Zach, again.

I disagree. First, you arent breaking good will as you are sending demar to the team he wanted to go to, obviously you make sure he is good with it. Second, i want the ball stopping shot creator gone to give pat will a chance to step up in that regard. This team i think would be better offensively, and certainly better defensively. Just my opinion.i also think gobert is less one dimensional than derozan as he is a great screener, rim runner and dunker.

But you could say the same for DeRozan, not only is he a shot maker, he can create for others, and create something out of nothing by himself. Not to mention, he is greatly respected by all of his teammates, as being a leader. So I guess it depends on what you value on your team. Do you remove arguably your best player and leader on the team, and replace him with Gobert and think that is good value? I'm not convinced.

Again, I'm not saying Gobert isn't good, nor that he wouldn't help the team, just not at the expense of DeMar.

[Clint Eastwood]

No, your view on trading him to better the team is no different to mine, the only difference is, if you're willing to break the good-will of the DeRozan signing, it better be for a player much better than Gobert and what he brings. You're essentially trading away one one-dimensional player, for another one-dimensional player, I really see no massive upgrade there. Sure, you get better with interior defense, but now you're removing another shot creator from the team, leaving the team with basically one left in Zach, again.

I disagree. First, you arent breaking good will as you are sending demar to the team he wanted to go to, obviously you make sure he is good with it. Second, i want the ball stopping shot creator gone to give pat will a chance to step up in that regard. This team i think would be better offensively, and certainly better defensively. Just my opinion.i also think gobert is less one dimensional than derozan as he is a great screener, rim runner and dunker.

But you could say the same for DeRozan, not only is he a shot maker, he can create for others, and create something out of nothing by himself. Not to mention, he is greatly respected by all of his teammates, as being a leader. So I guess it depends on what you value on your team. Do you remove arguably your best player and leader on the team, and replace him with Gobert and think that is good value? I'm not convinced.

Again, I'm not saying Gobert isn't good, nor that he wouldn't help the team, just not at the expense of DeMar.

I see Demar and his isolation as good when you need a bucket, but hinders our overall offense. And I don’t see him being as good as last year much longer. He will age. And his lack of three point shooting just hurts too much in todays nba. And we may never know how good pat will can be as long as hes on our team. I also think Bojan is exactly the replacement we would need. I also think Zach can be even better if he doesnt take a back seat to demar.

[The Box Office]

I'm all for trading DeMar, but NOT for Gobert. DeMar just made 2nd team All NBA, which is a massive accomplishment. If opposing GMs want DeMar, I need a Top 3 pick or a young rising star.

[TheSuzerain]

Derozan was legit good last year. Although there are obvious concerns in the playoffs when you watch what playoff basketball becomes in these later rounds (lots of 3's).

More than anything I think moving Derozan would be about Lavine deserving the contract he's probably going to sign.

[TheGOATRises007]

Ball
Lavine
Duncan Robinson
3/D wing or Caruso
Gobert

That's looking interesting to me.

The same Duncan Robinson on an albatross contract. Someone the Heat would happily get rid of. Someone who was completely unplayable and mostly glued to the bench in the playoffs.

That Duncan Robinson? Really?

[TheGOATRises007]

The Bulls would be silly not to trade DeMar on a high. He had a career best season.

He'll likely gradually decline from here.

We might hoodwink a team for him. I'd definitely move him if possible.

[TheSuzerain]

Ball
Lavine
Duncan Robinson
3/D wing or Caruso
Gobert

That's looking interesting to me.

The same Duncan Robinson on an albatross contract. Someone the Heat would happily get rid of. Someone who was completely unplayable and mostly glued to the bench in the playoffs.

That Duncan Robinson? Really?

He's like a super charged version of Coby that we could get for free.

And we need more 3's. We were one of the worst shooting teams in the whole league.

The perks of having an anchor like Gobert is that you can play guys like Duncan.

[TheGOATRises007]

Ball
Lavine
Duncan Robinson
3/D wing or Caruso
Gobert

That's looking interesting to me.

The same Duncan Robinson on an albatross contract. Someone the Heat would happily get rid of. Someone who was completely unplayable and mostly glued to the bench in the playoffs.

That Duncan Robinson? Really?

He's like a super charged version of Coby that we could get for free.

And we need more 3's. We were one of the worst shooting teams in the whole league.

The perks of having an anchor like Gobert is that you can play guys like Duncan.

That perk will disappear in the playoffs when they constantly attack Duncan Robinson. Gobert isn't a miracle worker. Some of the Jazz's players were better defensively than Duncan and they got picked on constantly in the playoffs too despite Gobert's anchoring.

We need more threes, but we can't afford defensive sieves.

[chicago paxsons]

I would agree to selling high on derozan if it didn't leave this team with only one reliable shot creator. Aside from lavine, we have no other reliable shot creators; white, he can take shots but not make them, vuc, the same problem, lonzo isn't one and neither is caruso, ayo and williams are too inexperienced.

Realistically, we would end up moving derozan for a different shot creator who isn't necessarily better overall, though if we're lucky, a better fit with the roster. The problem is that player won't likely be traded straight up for derozan unless that player is a less reliable and less experienced player, so to get a player of similar value we'd have to give up something of value with derozan.

[The Box Office]

If you move DeRozan, are we getting a Top 3 pick or a young rising star? No? Then can't move him. Getting Gobert for DeMar is ridiculous, as much I like Gobert. I'd rather sign and trade LaVine for Gobert.

So AKME is making LaVine the leader of this team again? AKME is avoiding that.

[TheSuzerain]

The same Duncan Robinson on an albatross contract. Someone the Heat would happily get rid of. Someone who was completely unplayable and mostly glued to the bench in the playoffs.

That Duncan Robinson? Really?

He's like a super charged version of Coby that we could get for free.

And we need more 3's. We were one of the worst shooting teams in the whole league.

The perks of having an anchor like Gobert is that you can play guys like Duncan.

That perk will disappear in the playoffs when they constantly attack Duncan Robinson. Gobert isn't a miracle worker. Some of the Jazz's players were better defensively than Duncan and they got picked on constantly in the playoffs too despite Gobert's anchoring.

We need more threes, but we can't afford defensive sieves.

I mean he played big minutes in a finals series. There is a limit to how much a 6’7” guy can be picked on.

And yes Gobert pretty much is a miracle worker defensively.

In any case, it’s a separate conversation from Gobert. You get Gobert to turn the defense into a strength/identity. Follow-up moves would presumably be to shore up the offense (eg more shooting).

[Chi town]

Ball
Lavine
Duncan Robinson
3/D wing or Caruso
Gobert

That's looking interesting to me.

The same Duncan Robinson on an albatross contract. Someone the Heat would happily get rid of. Someone who was completely unplayable and mostly glued to the bench in the playoffs.

That Duncan Robinson? Really?

He's like a super charged version of Coby that we could get for free.

And we need more 3's. We were one of the worst shooting teams in the whole league.

The perks of having an anchor like Gobert is that you can play guys like Duncan.

That Duncan contract ain’t free. Thats stupid money.

[Chi town]

If you move DeRozan, are we getting a Top 3 pick or a young rising star? No? Then can't move him. Getting Gobert for DeMar is ridiculous, as much I like Gobert. I'd rather sign and trade LaVine for Gobert.

So AKME is making LaVine the leader of this team again? AKME is avoiding that.

Don’t think so. Maybe a 10-12 pick. Age.

I’d trade DDR for OG and GTJ.
Vuc for Gobert.
Then we have enough 3s and D.

Lonzo/Ayo
Lavine/GTJ
PW/Coby
OG/PW
Gobert

[WindyCityBorn]

I disagree. First, you arent breaking good will as you are sending demar to the team he wanted to go to, obviously you make sure he is good with it. Second, i want the ball stopping shot creator gone to give pat will a chance to step up in that regard. This team i think would be better offensively, and certainly better defensively. Just my opinion.i also think gobert is less one dimensional than derozan as he is a great screener, rim runner and dunker.

But you could say the same for DeRozan, not only is he a shot maker, he can create for others, and create something out of nothing by himself. Not to mention, he is greatly respected by all of his teammates, as being a leader. So I guess it depends on what you value on your team. Do you remove arguably your best player and leader on the team, and replace him with Gobert and think that is good value? I'm not convinced.

Again, I'm not saying Gobert isn't good, nor that he wouldn't help the team, just not at the expense of DeMar.

I see Demar and his isolation as good when you need a bucket, but hinders our overall offense. And I don’t see him being as good as last year much longer. He will age. And his lack of three point shooting just hurts too much in todays nba. And we may never know how good pat will can be as long as hes on our team. I also think Bojan is exactly the replacement we would need. I also think Zach can be even better if he doesnt take a back seat to demar.

Gobert is 30 and has very little skill and $160 million left on his contract and can’t get his team out of the first round. Bigs also decline faster than wings.