[Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy

[Madhouse]

I understand your point and the premise of that is right but the facts and history says otherwise.....I wish we could be a free agent destination for some of the big name players in the NBA after winning a ring and having a good team every year for the most part....But so far seems like its more so the same as it was....

Until i see a big target of ours be signed to us in free agency i will not bank on that being a viable option for us to bring in talent here cause thats never been the case for us....Previous and post Raptors championship....I will wait until it actually happens before i say "Now we are a free agent destination" without signing 1 single big free agent since Hedo Turk who we had to overpay drastically just to come here....

The only thing we can really be excited for is the amount of great Canadian prospects entering the NBA which could be to our advantage if they ever become free agents.....

But as i see it so far for us we build through draft and trades.....As much as we want to recruit players to Toronto they always seem to go to a different team if we are rumored to wanting a player...

As for us being the 2019 Champs....Will free agents really care about that? I mean its awesome for us Canadians and for the 17 players who were on that Roster but we are so far removed from that team we had in 2019....I can understand your point if Kawhi was still on the squad then i could see lots of free agents coming to us wanting to play here but we are in a totally different lane now...

Here is the list of our Free agent signings off top of my head...

Dell Curry
Muggsy Bogues
Voshon Lenard
Jorge Garbajosa
Anthony Parker
Landry Fields
DeMarre Carroll
Bismack Biyombo
Hedo Turkoglu
Jason Kapono
C.J. Miles
Luis Scola

I mean there is not much to brag about.....But i would be happy if there is a big time player wanting to come to Toronto its just highly unlikely...Has nothing to do with a losers mentality it just is what it is and American born players want to stay in America so it seems.

I understand what you are saying. I disagree with your logic.

1) By your logic, the facts and history prior to 2018 were that we never had a chip, and therefore would suggest we would never win a chip. But we did. These sort of events should not be looked at through such an absolutist lens. Context is important Hasn't happened doesn't mean won't, especially when you are talking about the history of one of the youngest organizations in the NBA with the history of mismanagement that spanned more than the first decade of our existence.

2)We never signed a big FA. No problem we aren't going for big name FAs, just Hartenstein, Bamba, Smith etc. so our record of struggles signing big name FAs doesnt really apply.

I will believe it when i see it....Even mid level names do not choose us most the times.....Just being a Raptors fan as long as i have there is more of a chance we do not get a player we need and get the bottom of the bottoms....Why do you think our depth is as bad as it is right now with guys like Svi/Bonga/Brooks/Yuta And then a bunch of 905 type guys or draft picks we made with late picks.....

Its because we struggle to add depth in free agency and we mostly need home grown talent or find guys overlooked by NBA teams that not many people heard of....

I would love if we could add guys easily but its not as easy as you make it seem.....I agree with you we should be a free agent destination but the numbers say otherwise so far....We will see this offseason but do not be surprised if we end up with not much to be excited about...Might be a Biyombo reunion something along them lines...

Barnes will give us more FA juice in the future...

Not right away though.

Decent MLE guy should still be possible.

[Madhouse]

Any chance we could trade OG for 7 + assets and then flip those assets for PWill? Turning OG into the 7th pick and PWill would be nice

Not convinced PWill will end up as good as OG.

He doesn't have that dawg in him.

[dgr81]

Its funny to me how people will post Jakes twitter rumors when it involves other teams players like the Bulls trade now being rumored....And the board has no issues or calls Jake out as a lying nobody with 0 cred or 0 sources ....But if its OG for Gobert then hes a horrible person and is the worst reporter in the world

raptors fans highly overrate their own players and underrate other teams' players.

[Bruin]

Any chance we could trade OG for 7 + assets and then flip those assets for PWill? Turning OG into the 7th pick and PWill would be nice

Not convinced PWill will end up as good as OG.

He doesn't have that dawg in him.

He wouldn’t need to. It’s not a 1 for 1. As long as 7 and PWill together bring more to the table than OG does, then it’s easily worth pursuing.

[Madhouse]

Any chance we could trade OG for 7 + assets and then flip those assets for PWill? Turning OG into the 7th pick and PWill would be nice

Not convinced PWill will end up as good as OG.

He doesn't have that dawg in him.

He wouldn’t need to. It’s not a 1 for 1. As long as 7 and PWill together bring more to the table than OG does, then it’s easily worth pursuing.

what assets are you trying to get that can realistically turn into Pwill? That doesn't seem realistic either.

Josh Hart? Keon Johnson?

[DaubAcen]

My take, unless it's for an actual star that fits long term - or a complete overhaul, ditching multiple members of our main core for draft picks and prospects - there is no way I am trading OG right now. He's still young and still improving. I think a lot of people are underrating his BBIQ - which is probably because his limited handle limits so much of the game for him.

He's already a top 3+D wing in the league and I see no reason to think he won't get better. At the very least because defensive ability/awareness/skills are consistently areas of growth for most vets in this league. Never mind 'vet whistles' and 'veteran moves' and his 'reputation' and all that stuff.

It's unfortunate that we equate a players value on the court with how much we're willing to spend to keep him when those really are not the same thing. For all the great expectations I have for OG, how much I spend to keep him depends more on the team I am building than it does him in particular. The way I see his value in that context RIGHT NOW though, we have OG for THREE more years.

In my opinion, the core right now is Barnes, Pascal, OG. There is a whole lot you can do with the value of those contracts over the next two years, then decide what to do with Pascal. You can allow Barnes to grow with familiar veteran players that he clearly enjoys playing with. At that point OG has had time to show his value, then you decide.

[Bruin]

Not convinced PWill will end up as good as OG.

He doesn't have that dawg in him.

He wouldn’t need to. It’s not a 1 for 1. As long as 7 and PWill together bring more to the table than OG does, then it’s easily worth pursuing.

what assets are you trying to get that can realistically turn into Pwill? That doesn't seem realistic either.

Josh Hart? Keon Johnson?

Probably something like Hart + Keon + future 2nd rounder. Idk how much PWills value is but it doesn’t seem to be all that high right now

[KrazyP]

Here is the problem with your Theory though about bringing in a "Bamba" "Hartenstein" "Smith" type of player and drafting a big man....We could be wanting to do all them things your suggesting but Masai been trying to do that for years now since Gasol/Ibaka left the team and we end up with Baynes/Birch type of guys....Players in free agency do not sign with the Raptors ...As much as it sucks the history is there to see....

We would love to get Bamba/Hartenstein/Smith but we will try to sign one of them for them to end up on an American team (Cause thats where they feel comfortable in living) Its just a real obstacle we have to deal with....We will try hard to sign these guys and watch them all go to other teams around the league while we end up with the bottom of the barrel C's who will make 0 impact at all for us and then we are stuck with nothing....

Drafting a big at 33 to expect them to come into the League and be difference makers is a big big ask as well .....More chance if we draft a big at 33 he plays his year in 905 then he would with the team....

So then your left with a big hole at C again next year with the same question over and over....This team needs a C who can rim protect blah blah same cycle over and over...

So yeah at the end of the day the only way Raptors have a chance to get an impactfull C is in a trade imo....Its most likely scenario for us to actually get a C who could help us...And sadly you gotta give up something to get something in the NBA Unless your the Lakers.

Over the course of 27 years, the Raptors have traditionally have had a hard time landing free agents. But we're in a new era. The franchise has recently won a championship and have one of the best development environments in the business. We dont need to carry the loser, "we cant get anybody good", mentality going forward. The Raps are actually a mid-tier or better market in terms of being a desirable destination now.

We didnt bring in a free agent C in 2020 when Ibaka/Gasol left but how many youngish free agent Cs were actually on the market in 2020 and 2021 that the Raps missed out on?

The 2022 free agent C class has a lot of interesting options that might be in the MLE level or lower. On top of this, Gorbert and Ayton are both available which is going to add a lot of noise and clutter the supply, demand dynamics. Furthermore, there arent many teams with cap space to throw around to bid beyond MLE territory. It will be an interesting offseason......I'm confident the Raps will be able to attract a rotation level player via free agency if they choose to do so.

I understand your point and the premise of that is right but the facts and history says otherwise.....I wish we could be a free agent destination for some of the big name players in the NBA after winning a ring and having a good team every year for the most part....But so far seems like its more so the same as it was....

Until i see a big target of ours be signed to us in free agency i will not bank on that being a viable option for us to bring in talent here cause thats never been the case for us....Previous and post Raptors championship....I will wait until it actually happens before i say "Now we are a free agent destination" without signing 1 single big free agent since Hedo Turk who we had to overpay drastically just to come here....

The only thing we can really be excited for is the amount of great Canadian prospects entering the NBA which could be to our advantage if they ever become free agents.....

But as i see it so far for us we build through draft and trades.....As much as we want to recruit players to Toronto they always seem to go to a different team if we are rumored to wanting a player...

As for us being the 2019 Champs....Will free agents really care about that? I mean its awesome for us Canadians and for the 17 players who were on that Roster but we are so far removed from that team we had in 2019....I can understand your point if Kawhi was still on the squad then i could see lots of free agents coming to us wanting to play here but we are in a totally different lane now...

Here is the list of our Free agent signings off top of my head...

Dell Curry
Muggsy Bogues
Voshon Lenard
Jorge Garbajosa
Anthony Parker
Landry Fields
DeMarre Carroll
Bismack Biyombo
Hedo Turkoglu
Jason Kapono
C.J. Miles
Luis Scola

I mean there is not much to brag about.....But i would be happy if there is a big time player wanting to come to Toronto its just highly unlikely...Has nothing to do with a losers mentality it just is what it is and American born players want to stay in America so it seems.

Toronto's ability to attract free agents today after years of winning under Ujiri is not the same as when we had a perpetual garbage team with clowns running the show. If you dont believe this, I dont know what to tell you.

You also keep referring to "big time player"....I dont know what you mean by this. With the MLE, all we're looking to add is a functional rotation player.

[C_Money]

Why do we need draft picks and prospects? If anything we need win-now players to get back to contender status. I don’t believe we are that far off.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Offseason is really tough for everyone. A fake rumor about OG and we get 40 pages +

OG ain't getting traded

I like how you makeout the offseason is a reason for a mental health crisis, Del.

[yt_boi]

Before considering any trade with og you need to decide are we going for it with the fvv/Pascal core, or start a new younger core with barnes as the centre piece.

If u start the new core u 100% keep og. Just plain and simple, he's 24 on a cheap contract.

Only way you consider trading him is if u get a piece who is in their late 20s who can help us win now, like a gobert.

Trading og for a draft pic would essentially mean we're gonna trade fvv and Pascal as well and start over

[Van_Trump]

The question I would ask is if one of the core were to be traded, which of the core would you be willing to trade?

Siakam
Barnes
OG
Van Vleet
GTJr
Precious

Out of that group is OG really the first one you would trade?

This is assuming its not a case of another team specifically asking for OG (say for Ayton, for example)/

[720]

Before considering any trade with og you need to decide are we going for it with the fvv/Pascal core, or start a new younger core with barnes as the centre piece.

If u start the new core u 100% keep og. Just plain and simple, he's 24 on a cheap contract.

Only way you consider trading him is if u get a piece who is in their late 20s who can help us win now, like a gobert.

Trading og for a draft pic would essentially mean we're gonna trade fvv and Pascal as well and start over

lol **** no. Trading OG for Gobert would be the worst trade. Look at his contract and he's 30 already.

[Young Moosehead]

I understand your point and the premise of that is right but the facts and history says otherwise.....I wish we could be a free agent destination for some of the big name players in the NBA after winning a ring and having a good team every year for the most part....But so far seems like its more so the same as it was....

Until i see a big target of ours be signed to us in free agency i will not bank on that being a viable option for us to bring in talent here cause thats never been the case for us....Previous and post Raptors championship....I will wait until it actually happens before i say "Now we are a free agent destination" without signing 1 single big free agent since Hedo Turk who we had to overpay drastically just to come here....

The only thing we can really be excited for is the amount of great Canadian prospects entering the NBA which could be to our advantage if they ever become free agents.....

But as i see it so far for us we build through draft and trades.....As much as we want to recruit players to Toronto they always seem to go to a different team if we are rumored to wanting a player...

As for us being the 2019 Champs....Will free agents really care about that? I mean its awesome for us Canadians and for the 17 players who were on that Roster but we are so far removed from that team we had in 2019....I can understand your point if Kawhi was still on the squad then i could see lots of free agents coming to us wanting to play here but we are in a totally different lane now...

Here is the list of our Free agent signings off top of my head...

Dell Curry
Muggsy Bogues
Voshon Lenard
Jorge Garbajosa
Anthony Parker
Landry Fields
DeMarre Carroll
Bismack Biyombo
Hedo Turkoglu
Jason Kapono
C.J. Miles
Luis Scola

I mean there is not much to brag about.....But i would be happy if there is a big time player wanting to come to Toronto its just highly unlikely...Has nothing to do with a losers mentality it just is what it is and American born players want to stay in America so it seems.

I understand what you are saying. I disagree with your logic.

1) By your logic, the facts and history prior to 2018 were that we never had a chip, and therefore would suggest we would never win a chip. But we did. These sort of events should not be looked at through such an absolutist lens. Context is important Hasn't happened doesn't mean won't, especially when you are talking about the history of one of the youngest organizations in the NBA with the history of mismanagement that spanned more than the first decade of our existence.

2)We never signed a big FA. No problem we aren't going for big name FAs, just Hartenstein, Bamba, Smith etc. so our record of struggles signing big name FAs doesnt really apply.

I will believe it when i see it....Even mid level names do not choose us most the times.....Just being a Raptors fan as long as i have there is more of a chance we do not get a player we need and get the bottom of the bottoms....Why do you think our depth is as bad as it is right now with guys like Svi/Bonga/Brooks/Yuta And then a bunch of 905 type guys or draft picks we made with late picks.....

Its because we struggle to add depth in free agency and we mostly need home grown talent or find guys overlooked by NBA teams that not many people heard of....

I would love if we could add guys easily but its not as easy as you make it seem.....I agree with you we should be a free agent destination but the numbers say otherwise so far....We will see this offseason but do not be surprised if we end up with not much to be excited about...Might be a Biyombo reunion something along them lines...

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Been on this site since 06, and was a fan long before that, so I know our history with FA is bad. But there is context. Remember all the early BS with Butch Carter and Isaiah? Plus being an expansion franchise? The Babcock years? Who is signing then? Again not because it is Toronto, just because how badly the GM handled VC, coaching decisions, or the Hoffa draft. Would you have wanted to play for Kevin O'Neil? I mean the used car salesman proved we can bring in B tier FAs. Hedo, Kapono, Fields and Demarre signings sucked in the end, but they were all sought after FAs that summer. So again, no argument about top flight guys, but we can get B tier even if we have to overpay a bit.

As for your question about our current depth. It is bad because Masai emptied it out and hoped to hit on a few cheap Trade and FA diamonds in the rough during our quick retool. Sadly, so far it looks like we didn't hit on anyone except Precious, Champagnie and Banton. But bench depth has never been a problem for us. Zoo Crew, Bench Mob, Young Gunz etc., etc. I don't mean to site the old magic, but our problem has historically been that our deep benches were irrelevant when lineups tightened up in the playoffs. Not that we couldn't get good bench players.

I don't think it is easy. I think the context of this year's free agency matters. There is a confluence of events which I hope work in our favour.

1) Right now there is a priority among the league to find Scottie/OG/Pascal types. Some teams are going to prioritise switchable wings to follow the trend. While the rest of the league zigs, this hopefully leaves things open for us to zag and get a big.
2) This FA and draft class have a lot of bigs. A saturated market improves our chances of getting something good.
3) We are offering a rare opportunity to FA bigs. The chance join a team that was contending for homecourt advantage that appears to have a ton of starting center minutes available.
4) Most of the big money FA teams already have a young starting big man, and are in the lottery. So if we decide to go full MLE, few teams can outspend us, and that will be a bigger payday than quite a few other teams can provide.

I could be wrong. I think I might just have a more optimistic nature on this. But its been a good chat. I wont @ you if the thread gets bumped and we sign Smith or Bamba. Do the same for me if we flame out in FA.

[C_Money]

The question I would ask is if one of the core were to be traded, which of the core would you be willing to trade?

Siakam
Barnes
OG
Van Vleet
GTJr
Precious

Out of that group is OG really the first one you would trade?

This is assuming its not a case of another team specifically asking for OG (say for Ayton, for example)/

I would definitely trade OG out of that group.

[S.W.A.N]

Why do we need draft picks and prospects? If anything we need win-now players to get back to contender status. I don’t believe we are that far off.

Because teams like Portland are desperate to get to playoffs.

If we do trade OG it is because we are confident we are extracting maximum value. The combination of a solid role player and a high pick or two increases the odds of getting a maximum return.

Josh Hart Keon Johnson plus the 7th pick is the kind of return we'd be looking for.

Win now trades also doable but getting fair value back gets much trickier as OG is very affordable contract.

[yt_boi]

Before considering any trade with og you need to decide are we going for it with the fvv/Pascal core, or start a new younger core with barnes as the centre piece.

If u start the new core u 100% keep og. Just plain and simple, he's 24 on a cheap contract.

Only way you consider trading him is if u get a piece who is in their late 20s who can help us win now, like a gobert.

Trading og for a draft pic would essentially mean we're gonna trade fvv and Pascal as well and start over

lol **** no. Trading OG for Gobert would be the worst trade. Look at his contract and he's 30 already.

It was an example..... I dont want to trade og. The fact that you all read a rumor and then want to trade him, especially for an unknown draft pick, is ridiculous. Work on your comprehension bud

[720]

Before considering any trade with og you need to decide are we going for it with the fvv/Pascal core, or start a new younger core with barnes as the centre piece.

If u start the new core u 100% keep og. Just plain and simple, he's 24 on a cheap contract.

Only way you consider trading him is if u get a piece who is in their late 20s who can help us win now, like a gobert.

Trading og for a draft pic would essentially mean we're gonna trade fvv and Pascal as well and start over

lol **** no. Trading OG for Gobert would be the worst trade. Look at his contract and he's 30 already.

It was an example..... I dont want to trade og. The fact that you all read a rumor and then want to trade him, especially for an unknown draft pick, is ridiculous. Work on your comprehension bud

When did I say you wanted to trade OG? Just pointed out how garbage your example was lol.

You literally said we would only trade him if we got a guy in his late 20s and helps us win now with Gobert as the example. He’s neither of those things.

[yt_boi]

lol **** no. Trading OG for Gobert would be the worst trade. Look at his contract and he's 30 already.

It was an example..... I dont want to trade og. The fact that you all read a rumor and then want to trade him, especially for an unknown draft pick, is ridiculous. Work on your comprehension bud

When did I say you wanted to trade OG? Just pointed out how garbage your example was lol.

You literally said we would only trade him if we got a guy in his late 20s and helps us win now with Gobert as the example. He’s neither of those things.

Gobert is 29 currently, and contract aside, you're silly to think gobert wouldn't be leaps and bounds better than any C we have.

Only reason people are even considering trading og is cus og, Pascal and barnes are all very similar...none can play c or sg full time.

In case u still don't understand, im saying don't trade og

[720]

It was an example..... I dont want to trade og. The fact that you all read a rumor and then want to trade him, especially for an unknown draft pick, is ridiculous. Work on your comprehension bud

When did I say you wanted to trade OG? Just pointed out how garbage your example was lol.

You literally said we would only trade him if we got a guy in his late 20s and helps us win now with Gobert as the example. He’s neither of those things.

Gobert is 29 currently, and contract aside, you're silly to think gobert wouldn't be leaps and bounds better than any C we have.

Only reason people are even considering trading og is cus og, Pascal and barnes are all very similar...none can play c or sg full time.

In case u still don't understand, im saying don't trade og

Bro Gobert is going to make 37 million next season, 40 million after that. To get Gobert it wouldn’t just be OG. We would have to add more to make the contracts works. And I’m sorry but losing OG and adding Gobert wont make us better. He provides very little on offense (nothing more than dump off dunks and layups). Other teams will go small ball and kill us. Also allocating 37-40 million a year to a center in his 30s ain’t the move.

Also he’s literally turning 30 later this month and before the season starts. Unless you think the season starts next week or something he doesn’t fall into your “late 20s” criteria.

Just wrong and off bud.