James Wiseman 2021/2022

[Big J]

One of the biggest red flags about Wiseman to me is his lack of self awareness. Kuminga is immature in some ways, but you can tell that he thinks beyond himself. You can tell he appreciates where he is at due to having grown up in the Congo. Moody is unusually mature for a 19 year old US born NBA lotto pick.

If we could move Wiseman for a pick that nets us the Baylor kid I'd do it in a heartbeat. He could be a Draymond understudy.

what do you mean by lack of self awareness?

He doesn't know how to read the room. He played like he was handed the keys to the franchise when we had one of the greatest players in NBA history on our team.

[Coxy]

One of the biggest red flags about Wiseman to me is his lack of self awareness. Kuminga is immature in some ways, but you can tell that he thinks beyond himself. You can tell he appreciates where he is at due to having grown up in the Congo. Moody is unusually mature for a 19 year old US born NBA lotto pick.

If we could move Wiseman for a pick that nets us the Baylor kid I'd do it in a heartbeat. He could be a Draymond understudy.

what do you mean by lack of self awareness?

He doesn't know how to read the room. He played like he was handed the keys to the franchise when we had one of the greatest players in NBA history on our team.

He was the number 2 picke, the expecttions are high on guys like that. Of course they want to come out and be a huge part straight away. If you draft a guy at 2 then ask them to set screens, ride the bench and shuttup, you could end up with a Darko. I like that he wants to be a major player, not gonna fault him for that.

[azwfan]

what do you mean by lack of self awareness?

He doesn't know how to read the room. He played like he was handed the keys to the franchise when we had one of the greatest players in NBA history on our team.

He was the number 2 picke, the expecttions are high on guys like that. Of course they want to come out and be a huge part straight away. If you draft a guy at 2 then ask them to set screens, ride the bench and shuttup, you could end up with a Darko. I like that he wants to be a major player, not gonna fault him for that.

Imagine not wanting your 19 yo big man to be aggressive.

[Big J]

what do you mean by lack of self awareness?

He doesn't know how to read the room. He played like he was handed the keys to the franchise when we had one of the greatest players in NBA history on our team.

He was the number 2 picke, the expecttions are high on guys like that. Of course they want to come out and be a huge part straight away. If you draft a guy at 2 then ask them to set screens, ride the bench and shuttup, you could end up with a Darko. I like that he wants to be a major player, not gonna fault him for that.

You know who one of the most effective screeners of all time is? Steph Curry.

[Onus]

One of the biggest red flags about Wiseman to me is his lack of self awareness. Kuminga is immature in some ways, but you can tell that he thinks beyond himself. You can tell he appreciates where he is at due to having grown up in the Congo. Moody is unusually mature for a 19 year old US born NBA lotto pick.

If we could move Wiseman for a pick that nets us the Baylor kid I'd do it in a heartbeat. He could be a Draymond understudy.

what do you mean by lack of self awareness?

He doesn't know how to read the room. He played like he was handed the keys to the franchise when we had one of the greatest players in NBA history on our team.

Rather have to dial him back than rev up his motor

[azwfan]

He doesn't know how to read the room. He played like he was handed the keys to the franchise when we had one of the greatest players in NBA history on our team.

He was the number 2 picke, the expecttions are high on guys like that. Of course they want to come out and be a huge part straight away. If you draft a guy at 2 then ask them to set screens, ride the bench and shuttup, you could end up with a Darko. I like that he wants to be a major player, not gonna fault him for that.

You know who one of the most effective screeners of all time is? Steph Curry.

Not when he was 19 he sure as hell wasnt. LOL.

[Onus]

At the moment, Wiseman's pretty raw, but oozing with potential. I think the ideal approach for his development is to slowly integrate him into the offense as Curry, Thompson, and Green are all but past their prime. If he doesn't get to the point either by inconsistency, plagued with injuries, etc. then what? I guess we do have Poole, Moody, and Kuminga to fall back on, but that's not the point.

Look at the list of bigs who turned out to be big-time draft busts and never reached their potential due to chronic injuries that led to subpar season averages or they just weren't hyped up to be the kind of player everyone had expected: Sam Bowie, Shawn Bradley, Michael Olowakandi, Kwame Brown, Darko Milicic, Hasheem Thabeet, Greg Oden. They all were in the top 3 selection of each draft. Hope it's not history repeating itself where we drafted Sam Bowie (Wiseman) when Michael Jordan (LaMelo Ball) was still on the boards.

You did not just compare lamelo to mj

LOL, you know what I mean (Hopefully). In the sense of who should have been the obvious pick for us. And he at least addressed what we needed at the time: A potential backup PG. Now, turns out, he's an up and coming young star. But, I know there are red flags with LaMelo with his maturity level and when you got Lavar as his dad trying to run things within our organization.

I didn’t want to draft lamelo. I thought he’d be fools gold. Be able to put up flashy numbers but never be an impact player. He never learned how to play defense in hs and would have to have the ball in his hands on offense to have an impact. And I didn’t think he’d be a no 1 option on a championship team. Don’t think he has the attributes to be able to score against elite defenses. I have to admit that his shooting has been much better than I thought though and maybe he can be a 2. But the defense is still an issue. We’ll see if he can learn to be interested in defense.

[michaelm]

One of the biggest red flags about Wiseman to me is his lack of self awareness. Kuminga is immature in some ways, but you can tell that he thinks beyond himself. You can tell he appreciates where he is at due to having grown up in the Congo. Moody is unusually mature for a 19 year old US born NBA lotto pick.

If we could move Wiseman for a pick that nets us the Baylor kid I'd do it in a heartbeat. He could be a Draymond understudy.

what do you mean by lack of self awareness?

He doesn't know how to read the room. He played like he was handed the keys to the franchise when we had one of the greatest players in NBA history on our team.

Imo it was almost the opposite, the decision was made that their only hope of contention last year was to hothouse him to be a significant player that season, and he was deliberately given minutes and usage which were not warranted at that stage in his career. He did seem to be coming around just before he got injured, and I am encouraged if he can get healthy that many among the players and in the organisation are apparently still high on him, and not just Lacob. I am also encouraged by how good Looney has looked this year if the new coaching staff have contributed to same.

It does look like as several posters propounded that they wasted a year of still prime Curry however, although I think Thompson’s Achilles’ injury blindsided them, and perhaps led to prospective signings dropping off, leaving them with Oubre, who turned out to be the worst possible fit. They certainly did well for this season in acquiring GPII, OPJ and Bjelica, so it is not as though they are not capable of signing good cheap veteran FAs. I don’t know whether they could have traded the pick for a player who would have made them contenders, I don’t think there were any Iguodalas available, and I don’t think drafting LaMelo would have made them contenders, he is actually the guy who would have wanted, or at least his father would have wanted, to be the franchise offensive player immediately, even apart from him not playing defense overly.

[Coxy]

He doesn't know how to read the room. He played like he was handed the keys to the franchise when we had one of the greatest players in NBA history on our team.

He was the number 2 picke, the expecttions are high on guys like that. Of course they want to come out and be a huge part straight away. If you draft a guy at 2 then ask them to set screens, ride the bench and shuttup, you could end up with a Darko. I like that he wants to be a major player, not gonna fault him for that.

You know who one of the most effective screeners of all time is? Steph Curry.

Ok cool.

[clyde21]

what do you mean by lack of self awareness?

He doesn't know how to read the room. He played like he was handed the keys to the franchise when we had one of the greatest players in NBA history on our team.

He was the number 2 picke, the expecttions are high on guys like that. Of course they want to come out and be a huge part straight away. If you draft a guy at 2 then ask them to set screens, ride the bench and shuttup, you could end up with a Darko. I like that he wants to be a major player, not gonna fault him for that.

exactly why he should've never been drafted 2 by us.

[HiRez]

I don't get why people are ready to give up on wiseman but are high on Kuminga. They both have the same issues but Wiseman comes in a 7' monster package.

I've never seen Kuminga get sized by an offensive player and then taken 1on1 to the hole and get put into the basket with an AND1 on top of it. I'll never forget when that happened to Wiseman when he tried guarding Lebron out on the perimeter. He looked like a scared baby deer, and there's nothing that shows that he will ever be able to guard guys out on the perimeter at his size. Kuminga could easily be one of the 5 guys who finishes a game for us in the playoffs. Wiseman will never do that.

Can't agree more. I thought the whole premise of the team's ID was having guys who has a perimeter game by guarding and switching on the perimeter. For a 7 footer like Wiseman and the like, I haven't seen them shutdown or contain quicker and even stronger players half their size. I mean, has anyone even seen those beefy legs of Wiseman's? For that, I do think Wiseman will only be able to guard in the post and provide help defense if his teammate gets blown by the offense. That's all I would expect from him as long as Curry and the old gang are still here. But, he wasn't worth the 2nd round pick in my eyes for what this team was built upon. Time will tell.

That’s fair. I think Wiseman could function well as a much better Javale McGee in this system, but you don’t pay those guys $9M per year, let alone the $20M+ it’ll probably take to extend him. Still want to see more of him but ultimately he’s probably going to be traded, which is not a reflection on him being bad, but which might just be best for everyone involved. And if he’s healthy he could have good trade value so the #2 pick isn’t necessarily wasted. Remember it was a pretty weak draft, trade-down scenarios were apparently lukewarm, and I’m still not sold on LaMelo being the next coming of Magic Johnson.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I mean, it's not horrible to have a talent like Wiseman. Right now, we don't know too much about his game and what he can eventually become due to inexperience and sustaining an injury to his leg.

We have to ask ourselves this question: Is Wiseman built for the current team? Or, are we moving in another offensive scheme focusing on Wiseman's development to be a dominant big-man a la Joel Embiid (All-around player) or even Rudy Gobert (Defensive center) once The Trio have all but retired? That's where it's a bit of a gray area for everyone here to grasp. And ball movement / motion offense won't bold well for Wiseman as it's perimeter-heavy.

[Scoots1994]

what do you mean by lack of self awareness?

He doesn't know how to read the room. He played like he was handed the keys to the franchise when we had one of the greatest players in NBA history on our team.

He was the number 2 picke, the expecttions are high on guys like that. Of course they want to come out and be a huge part straight away. If you draft a guy at 2 then ask them to set screens, ride the bench and shuttup, you could end up with a Darko. I like that he wants to be a major player, not gonna fault him for that.

I think he was also being pushed by his teammates to score and bring the ball up court and all that. If you go back and watch you will see his teammates cheering him on and IIRC Draymond was interviewed about it.

Wiseman's current game is mostly known to the team and unknown to us. What is known is that he hasn't played much in 3 years.

The story around him hasn't really changed from the start ... he has a lot to learn, he lost a lot of time to pandemic and injury, he has to prove a lot, he's not likely to go anywhere until he gets a real chance to show what he can do now.