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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1681 » by RRyder823 » Tue Jun 7, 2022 3:18 pm

Licensed to Il wrote:Here is a (maybe) fun question. What “non first team” (you can’t pick a top 5 guy) player from a previous decade would be the perfect fit for the 2022-23 Bucks?

My answer, Rasheed Wallace.
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Post#1682 » by sidney lanier » Tue Jun 7, 2022 7:36 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Nice story about Larry Harris and Golden State. Do not believe it to be coincidental that they've done so well since he got there. He was good at finding guys who could play in the later parts of the draft.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2022/06/07/kevon-looney-jordan-poole-nba-finals-golden-state-warriors/7529050001/


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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1683 » by DrWood » Tue Jun 7, 2022 10:32 pm

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DrWood wrote:I can't see why we'd want to aim for 1 PPP. But you've miscalculated because you failed to consider turnovers/fouls in the points per possessions.

No one uses a 33" ball, it would make a huge, deleterious difference. The volume would be 40% larger.


Which is why I said more or less. Not aiming for one PPP, just using that as a simple illustration of the rebalancing that could take place.

And yes, the ball would be noticeably bigger -- about an inch bigger in diameter -- (33-29.5)/pi -- and, as you say, about 40% bigger in volume. It's about the same difference as between the women's size 6 basketball and the current size 7. The balls already exist and are made for shooting training purposes.

Grow your game, literally with the NBA Oversized basketball. Weighing the same as a regulation size 7 basketball it’s all about improving your shot. It helps develop arc and accuracy, giving you less room for error. This official oversized basketball of the NBA comes in a large 33” size and a microfiber composite leather cover for an in-game feel.

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The 22-foot corner three is not significantly harder than a 10-foot midrange with the current ball and under the current rules. The idea is to tilt the slope of the line that expresses difficulty as a function of distance. This would probably do it, but it would look funny for a while.

I think Giannis would be on board.
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My concern with eliminating the corner 3 is if Ds don't have to worry about that shot wouldn't they pack the hell out of the paint and this would have an unintended consequence of reducing paint play even more?

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IMO, if you want to lessen 3P% at the corners, widen the court by 4-6' and eliminate the "break" in the 3pt line. Then there will even be more room to maneuver around the basket.
Increase the width to 54 and then the 3-pt line can be a 24' semicircle without a break (instead of 23'9" at the top of the key.
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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1684 » by DrWood » Tue Jun 7, 2022 10:33 pm

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The 22-foot corner three is not significantly harder than a 10-foot midrange with the current ball and under the current rules. The idea is to tilt the slope of the line that expresses difficulty as a function of distance. This would probably do it, but it would look funny for a while.


That's obviously incorrect.
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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1685 » by blazza18 » Tue Jun 7, 2022 10:48 pm

Boston are complaining about fouls and the physicality to the media again. Sucks that it's going to work again.
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Post#1686 » by DrWood » Tue Jun 7, 2022 10:58 pm

blazza18 wrote:Boston are complaining about fouls and the physicality to the media again. Sucks that it's going to work again.

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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1688 » by sidney lanier » Wed Jun 8, 2022 3:45 am

DrWood wrote:
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The 22-foot corner three is not significantly harder than a 10-foot midrange with the current ball and under the current rules. The idea is to tilt the slope of the line that expresses difficulty as a function of distance. This would probably do it, but it would look funny for a while.


That's obviously incorrect.

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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1689 » by DrWood » Wed Jun 8, 2022 6:33 am

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DrWood wrote:
sidney lanier wrote:
The 22-foot corner three is not significantly harder than a 10-foot midrange with the current ball and under the current rules. The idea is to tilt the slope of the line that expresses difficulty as a function of distance. This would probably do it, but it would look funny for a while.


That's obviously incorrect.

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Post#1690 » by Antinomy » Wed Jun 8, 2022 7:55 am

Widening the court is interesting but it poses new problems — like the defense having to cover even more ground & 5-out offenses would become the even more norm.

You think guys are shooting too much now, just wait until the defenders have to close out from the paint to a now extra 2 feet to the corners.

To me, the most obvious change is making the mid-range jumper worth more in some regard.

As of now, any basket from 1-23 feet is worth 2 points but 24 feet & beyond is worth 3 — “analytically” it makes no sense to shoot from 15-20 feet because it’s worth the same as a shot from much closer.
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Post#1691 » by FlagsFlyForever » Wed Jun 8, 2022 2:19 pm

Antinomy wrote:Widening the court is interesting but it poses new problems — like the defense having to cover even more ground & 5-out offenses would become the even more norm.

You think guys are shooting too much now, just wait until the defenders have to close out from the paint to a now extra 2 feet to the corners.

To me, the most obvious change is making the mid-range jumper worth more in some regard.

As of now, any basket from 1-23 feet is worth 2 points but 24 feet & beyond is worth 3 — “analytically” it makes no sense to shoot from 15-20 feet because it’s worth the same as a shot from much closer.

The idea is to make the three point line far enough so that not only does it lower 3P% across the board and every player would attempt fewer threes, but also many players who currently shoot threes would stop shooting them entirely.
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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1692 » by dedned » Wed Jun 8, 2022 2:41 pm

Just move it back a foot and cut off the corners.
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Post#1693 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Jun 8, 2022 3:10 pm

dedned wrote:Just move it back a foot and cut off the corners.
If defenses don't have to guard the corners wouldn't they just pack the hell out of the paint even more than they do now?

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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1694 » by DingleJerry » Wed Jun 8, 2022 3:35 pm

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Antinomy wrote:Widening the court is interesting but it poses new problems — like the defense having to cover even more ground & 5-out offenses would become the even more norm.

You think guys are shooting too much now, just wait until the defenders have to close out from the paint to a now extra 2 feet to the corners.

To me, the most obvious change is making the mid-range jumper worth more in some regard.

As of now, any basket from 1-23 feet is worth 2 points but 24 feet & beyond is worth 3 — “analytically” it makes no sense to shoot from 15-20 feet because it’s worth the same as a shot from much closer.

The idea is to make the three point line far enough so that not only does it lower 3P% across the board and every player would attempt fewer threes, but also many players who currently shoot threes would stop shooting them entirely.


It would also create more space for driving, which is a good thing. YEs, those close outs are going to be more difficult and since the D will have to run harder on them it gives the opportunity (for teams who actually have guys who can dribble) to attack the close out and drive. Or, someone has to hedge closer to their person due to the longer close out thus leaving more space in the lane for a drive to attack.
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Post#1695 » by emunney » Wed Jun 8, 2022 3:45 pm

I think you start by calling illegal screens and ignoring floppers before messing with structural stuff.
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Post#1696 » by emunney » Wed Jun 8, 2022 3:46 pm

Throwing yourself to the ground should be a technical foul. It's a player safety issue.
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Post#1697 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Jun 8, 2022 5:41 pm

emunney wrote:I think you start by calling illegal screens and ignoring floppers before messing with structural stuff.
Absolutely. I wonder if tweeking the the illegal D rules could help. Basically not allowing the help defender cheat off the corner guy to the paint. Could help open driving lanes and make it easier to pass to a big in the post since they couldn't be doubled without the ball. Plus if there are less open corner 3s then teams probably shoot less of them.

I think part of the rise in 3s is D's focus on and have gotten good at taking away the paint.

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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1698 » by GoldenAntlers » Wed Jun 8, 2022 5:59 pm

emunney wrote:I think you start by calling illegal screens and ignoring floppers before messing with structural stuff.
This is where I'm at. Call the rules as they should be and stop giving superstars a "superstar whistle". Superstars are impressive because they thrive within the context of the rules, not because the refs allow them to bend them.

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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1699 » by JayMKE » Wed Jun 8, 2022 7:29 pm

There is no way to deal with 3s besides changing the value of the shot, moving the line back would make things even worse since it would be even harder for guys like Brook to switch out to the perimeter and would just permanently park themselves down low.

It would probably be better to just double down on 3s and move the line to remove as many long 2s as possible and make it easier for bigs to defend.
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Re: ATL - Ham Slamwich to the Lakers 

Post#1700 » by jute2003 » Wed Jun 8, 2022 8:05 pm

I actually think calling illegal screens and banishing bitchy floppers to the depths of hell would be extremely effective.
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