If you could change only 1 outcome of the 6 finals Lebron fell short in which one would you choose.

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Re: If you could change only 1 outcome of the 6 finals Lebron fell short in which one would you choose. 

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RCM88x wrote:2007 easily
2017 would be second


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sp6r=underrated wrote:
RCM88x wrote:2007 easily
2017 would be second


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How so?
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Re: If you could change only 1 outcome of the 6 finals Lebron fell short in which one would you choose. 

Post#23 » by sp6r=underrated » Wed Jun 8, 2022 7:02 pm

RCM88x wrote:
sp6r=underrated wrote:
RCM88x wrote:2007 easily
2017 would be second


these are alien space bats picks but I like em


How so?


If you're objecting to ASB as hyperbole fair enough. You can substitute it to mean, extremely unlikely.

The 2007 Spurs were markedly better than the 2007 Cavs by basically all available data. You have to completely disregard team point differential, the best indicator of team quality by far, to make this a close series. Duncan/Manu were comically bad in Game 3 and Cleveland couldn't win. They couldn't win game 4 and Duncan didn't show up again. They just weren't that good.

The 2017 Cavs shot at an absurdly high rate and were still comfortable defeated. The RS data again points to a massive disadvantage for Cleveland.

Basically, if you're picking Cleveland in these series it seems like saying to me you think Clyde Drexler is going to outplay Lebron James in a 7 game series. I guess it could happen but the data overwhelmingly says no.

And if your stance is point differential is overrated you better be okay with people who think someone like Kobe is better than Lebron. It is a lot easier to evaluate teams by stats than players and the statistical gulf between these Cavs clubs and the Warriors/Spurs is quite large
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Re: If you could change only 1 outcome of the 6 finals Lebron fell short in which one would you choose. 

Post#24 » by RCM88x » Wed Jun 8, 2022 7:07 pm

sp6r=underrated wrote:
RCM88x wrote:
sp6r=underrated wrote:
these are alien space bats picks but I like em


How so?


If you're objecting to ASB as hyperbole fair enough. You can substitute it to mean, extremely unlikely.

The 2007 Spurs were markedly better than the 2007 Cavs by basically all available data. You have to completely disregard team point differential, the best indicator of team quality by far, to make this a close series. Duncan/Manu were comically bad in Game 3 and Cleveland couldn't win. They couldn't win game 4 and Duncan didn't show up again. They just weren't that good.

The 2017 Cavs shot at an absurdly high rate and were still comfortable defeated. The RS data again points to a massive disadvantage for Cleveland.

Basically, if you're picking Cleveland in these series it seems like saying to me you think Clyde Drexler is going to outplay Lebron James in a 7 game series. I guess it could happen but the data overwhelmingly says no.

And if your stance is point differential is overrated you better be okay with people who think someone like Kobe is better than Lebron. It is a lot easier to evaluate teams by stats than players and the statistical gulf between these Cavs clubs and the Warriors/Spurs is quite large


I didn't really consider the likelihood or probability of a flipped outcome here. Just which series I personally would like to see reversed regardless of how close they actually were.
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Re: If you could change only 1 outcome of the 6 finals Lebron fell short in which one would you choose. 

Post#25 » by sp6r=underrated » Wed Jun 8, 2022 7:13 pm

RCM88x wrote:
sp6r=underrated wrote:
RCM88x wrote:
How so?


If you're objecting to ASB as hyperbole fair enough. You can substitute it to mean, extremely unlikely.

The 2007 Spurs were markedly better than the 2007 Cavs by basically all available data. You have to completely disregard team point differential, the best indicator of team quality by far, to make this a close series. Duncan/Manu were comically bad in Game 3 and Cleveland couldn't win. They couldn't win game 4 and Duncan didn't show up again. They just weren't that good.

The 2017 Cavs shot at an absurdly high rate and were still comfortable defeated. The RS data again points to a massive disadvantage for Cleveland.

Basically, if you're picking Cleveland in these series it seems like saying to me you think Clyde Drexler is going to outplay Lebron James in a 7 game series. I guess it could happen but the data overwhelmingly says no.

And if your stance is point differential is overrated you better be okay with people who think someone like Kobe is better than Lebron. It is a lot easier to evaluate teams by stats than players and the statistical gulf between these Cavs clubs and the Warriors/Spurs is quite large


I didn't really consider the likelihood or probability of a flipped outcome here. Just which series I personally would like to see reversed regardless of how close they actually were.


Got it, completely misunderstood. These two series and the 2008 ECSF vs Boston would be the most fun to reverse. And if you reverse these 3, Lebron who is basically a Paul Bunyon figure already becomes a creature out of mythology

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