Toronto Blue Jays (31-22) @ Kansas City Royals (17-35) - June 6-8, 2022

[Fairview4Life]

If Montoyo isn’t setting the lineup…what is it you’d say he is actually doing here.

[Mehar]

Tapia hit a hr today he didn’t leave 5 men on base like vladdy nor gave up 3 runs in the 1st inning. I’ve been on Reddit they’ve been critical of Charlie for a number of years now.

Blaming the same 2 names is growing tiring. Teams don’t hire Ivy League kids for their analytic departments so managers set lineups. Direct your anger at the proper party.

The proper party is Montoyo. He is the one that sets the lineups. That is what managers do. I also clearly recall an interview he did last year with Sportsnet when the team returned to Toronto after playing in Buffalo, where Montoyo said he makes the lineups after based on the matchups for that day.

[Madvillainy2004]

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Maybe it is time to stop playing Tapia.

It's not just his bat he's awful on defense I can stomach Zimmer who at least has elite speed + defense.

[Madvillainy2004]

Tapia hit a hr today he didn’t leave 5 men on base like vladdy nor gave up 3 runs in the 1st inning. I’ve been on Reddit they’ve been critical of Charlie for a number of years now.

Blaming the same 2 names is growing tiring. Teams don’t hire Ivy League kids for their analytic departments so managers set lineups. Direct your anger at the proper party.

The proper party is Montoyo. He is the one that sets the lineups. That is what managers do. I also clearly recall an interview he did last year with Sportsnet when the team returned to Toronto after playing in Buffalo, where Montoyo said he makes the lineups after based on the matchups for that day.

What analytics suggest Biggio at first or Tapia batting 5th anyways? lmao

[polo007]

Tapia hit a hr today he didn’t leave 5 men on base like vladdy nor gave up 3 runs in the 1st inning. I’ve been on Reddit they’ve been critical of Charlie for a number of years now.

Blaming the same 2 names is growing tiring. Teams don’t hire Ivy League kids for their analytic departments so managers set lineups. Direct your anger at the proper party.

The proper party is Montoyo. He is the one that sets the lineups. That is what managers do. I also clearly recall an interview he did last year with Sportsnet when the team returned to Toronto after playing in Buffalo, where Montoyo said he makes the lineups after based on the matchups for that day.

In era of shared decisions, ways of evaluating managers must also evolve - Sportsnet.ca

Once the game started, a manager couldn’t hit for their players. Or catch the ball or pitch. Couldn’t bench a guy for a quarter or period or “mix things up,” in terms of in-game chemistry. A manager can’t “coach up” a player. So you seemed to be on safe ground settling on the manager’s use of the bullpen as the thing that separated the best from the rest, because it played into the notion that the best managers are the ones who put their players into position to maximize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses.

It also fit into the narrative of the manager as ‘skipper,’ standing on the top step and doing all sorts of wizardly things based on some deep, mythical reservoir of baseball knowledge accumulated as a player or on long minor-league bus trips. It gave credence to the ultimate measurement of a manager’s reputation: the ‘gut call.’

Now? Who the heck knows what a gut call looks like, or even if it exists.

Look at the Blue Jays, for example. Look at how the organization uses the word “collaboration,” and how it is Montoyo’s comfort level with the idea that made him a fit in the first place. Whether or not it’s true, there is certainly an impression within and outside the organization that analytics play a pre-dominant role in setting the lineup – when Montoyo was queried about a lineup move in one of his first pre-game media sessions, he talked about “swing-paths and stuff” – and in how and when started and relievers are used.

This is not unique to the Blue Jays - see: Kevin Cash/Blake Snell/World Series. And, I’m not getting into a whole debate about analytics, because it is a colossal waste of time. There is nothing wrong with accumulating as much information as possible. I’m a simple man, just happy that there are people and resources that help me make a little sense of it all, although the “and stuff” is often proprietary information that is also well beyond even those who’ve cast themselves as experts.

So if we assume a high level of collaboration and multiple chefs in the kitchen – pick your analogy – it makes the matter of determining managerial culpability a little dicey, no? Should we be firing a systems analyst or getting rid of software as much as tying the can to the guy in uniform? You’d think collaboration would beget collaborative responsibility and, maybe, guilt.

[Randle McMurphy]

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Maybe it is time to stop playing Tapia.

It's not just his bat he's awful on defense I can stomach Zimmer who at least has elite speed + defense.

Zimmer absolutely should have played over him today in an open ballpark like that (if Teo had to have a day off).

[Mehar]

Tapia hit a hr today he didn’t leave 5 men on base like vladdy nor gave up 3 runs in the 1st inning. I’ve been on Reddit they’ve been critical of Charlie for a number of years now.

Blaming the same 2 names is growing tiring. Teams don’t hire Ivy League kids for their analytic departments so managers set lineups. Direct your anger at the proper party.

The proper party is Montoyo. He is the one that sets the lineups. That is what managers do. I also clearly recall an interview he did last year with Sportsnet when the team returned to Toronto after playing in Buffalo, where Montoyo said he makes the lineups after based on the matchups for that day.

What analytics suggest Biggio at first or Tapia batting 5th anyways? lmao

Better yet- which analytics suggested that Tapia should be leading off in the games he did, or batting DH, with better hitters like Kirk/Jansen/Hernandez on the bench?