Official Celtics 2022 Off-Season Thread

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

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44-14 has a nice ring to it for last 58 games.

[ConstableGeneva]

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This is almost a 5-month stretch now. Bounce-back team.

[Bostondave]

Good job from the boys not collapsing in the 3rd when GS made their run. THey held it together and brought it home. Perhaps they've learned something. I can only hope I guess but they've done this repeatedly now. We'll see going forward. I'm cautiously optimistic.

But even if they had lost I would understand the loss. They just got outplayed. I understand that completely and absolutely. The stayed poised but GS just outplayed them. What I don't understand is these spells the Celts go through were they're just flat out repugnant. Like they've forgotten how to play ball. That I simply do not understand.

I saw Tatum transform mid-game somehow and that's heartening. He went from just throwing himself into bodies looking for the foul, missing layups, and just generally **** up around the hoop to getting it together and going in under more control and he started making his hoop shots. That's encouraging to see that something seemed to click before it was too late. Seems it clicked for the whole team in the 3rd this time and they didn't degenerate into the horrid, ugly ball we've seen.

Good win. Like to get the next one and breathe a whole lot easier. Then it'd be just getting one more to wrap it up. THat'd be good.

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LOL!

This was after Game 2.

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[ConstableGeneva]

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Hope people don't take this as a knock on Tatum but more as an acknowledgement for the type of team-building Stevens and co. have employed.

[Bostondave]

Not sure what to say with this bunch. GS exposed a lot of flaws that were covered up with winning. We saw glimpses of them all along but ignored them with the winning.

I said it awhile back. The boys just aren't ready. We've got veterans which makes these lapses odd, but we don't have Finals experience. Which is a whole nother level. Against an opponent that's deadly and knows how to go for the kill when it's presented. Celts had two shots and failed.

Me personally I look forward to next year. The East will be tougher perhaps, but it'll make the winning sweeter.

[BostonCouchGM]

Not sure what to say with this bunch. GS exposed a lot of flaws that were covered up with winning. We saw glimpses of them all along but ignored them with the winning.

I said it awhile back. The boys just aren't ready. We've got veterans which makes these lapses odd, but we don't have Finals experience. Which is a whole nother level. Against an opponent that's deadly and knows how to go for the kill when it's presented. Celts had two shots and failed.

Me personally I look forward to next year. The East will be tougher perhaps, but it'll make the winning sweeter.

and the winning has been coming against injured or tanking teams for months. We're a good, sometimes great team, that beat teams less talented than us because of injuries. Do we beat a Nets team with an integrated Simmons? Maybe. Do we beat a Bucks team with their second best player Middleton not injured? Highly doubt it given it took 7 games with him out. Do we beat the Heat with Herro playing and Lowry and Butler not gimped? Probably not. This Warriors team would probably lose to a healthy Bucks and Heat team. It's easily their weakest healthy squad during their run. We SHOULD still win this series. It really shouldn't have gone 6 games. We have a decided talent advantage.

One thing I've decided, this is a very unlikeable team full of whiners, floppers, pseudo-intellectuals and low BBIQ. It's hard to get too excited about this team other than for Horford finally getting a ring. Tatum used to be my favorite but he's awful now with his body language, whining and lack of focus. I can't see this team, or any team they can put together for next season given our assets and cap space, that will return to this point. Too many things went absolutely perfect for us to even get here. Next season we might get swallowed up by a loaded and healthier East.

[Bostondave]

Not sure what to say with this bunch. GS exposed a lot of flaws that were covered up with winning. We saw glimpses of them all along but ignored them with the winning.

I said it awhile back. The boys just aren't ready. We've got veterans which makes these lapses odd, but we don't have Finals experience. Which is a whole nother level. Against an opponent that's deadly and knows how to go for the kill when it's presented. Celts had two shots and failed.

Me personally I look forward to next year. The East will be tougher perhaps, but it'll make the winning sweeter.

and the winning has been coming against injured or tanking teams for months. We're a good, sometimes great team, that beat teams less talented than us because of injuries. Do we beat a Nets team with an integrated Simmons? Maybe. Do we beat a Bucks team with their second best player Middleton not injured? Highly doubt it given it took 7 games with him out. Do we beat the Heat with Herro playing and Lowry and Butler not gimped? Probably not. This Warriors team would probably lose to a healthy Bucks and Heat team. It's easily their weakest healthy squad during their run. We SHOULD still win this series. It really shouldn't have gone 6 games. We have a decided talent advantage.

One thing I've decided, this is a very unlikeable team full of whiners, floppers, pseudo-intellectuals and low BBIQ. It's hard to get too excited about this team other than for Horford finally getting a ring. Tatum used to be my favorite but he's awful now with his body language, whining and lack of focus. I can't see this team, or any team they can put together for next season given our assets and cap space, that will return to this point. Too many things went absolutely perfect for us to even get here. Next season we might get swallowed up by a loaded and healthier East.

No, I've seen magic from this team and hope they can build on it and don't get fractured. At their best they are the best in the East IMO. I've said it repeatedly now, they need more seasoning. That's not that bad a thing. Many teams have lost before they finally broke through. Personally and I'm amazed at this point : coaching let them down. I don't think Ime is that good a game coach. He motivates and is great for a system but doesn't seem to be able to coach game situations.

I like this team. Seasoning. Experience - although I've said this repeatedly also the core are veterans and have been to a few ECF's. Granted not any Finals, but the **** I see is just mystifying. Real real stupid ball. I feel that's coaching. Stop the ISO. Play to Tatum's strengths. He's not a penetrator/rim finisher yet he kept trying again and again and again and kept failing again and again and again. I found it hard to discern any plays run for him to free him up. Again, that's coaching.

I say keep the core intact and come back again next year. Hopefully with more seasoning for everybody, including coaching.

***And oh yeah, the whining and flopping you mentioned. I hate that ****. Ime needs to coach that **** out of the team. Stop all the goddamn whining and complaining. It does nothing and it infected the entire goddamn team.

[Jerboski]

Make the trade for dame or Beal

This team desperately needs a ball handler who can create their own shot and for others

[Floody100]

Can we unlock the Beal thread lol

[Bostondave]

This is beyond any doubt the weirdest Celtics team I've ever seen along with the weirdest basketball and weirdest league. So many fundamentals have just been thrown away. The closer you are to the basket the higher percentage are you make the shot. No getting around that fundamental. This league is 3pt happy. To a fault. It's why you see such wild lead changes. One team gets cold from 3 while the other team gets hot.

And I got to admit I sold GS and I guess the West short. I thought they were all soft. GS isn't soft. THey're a damn good team with a good defense. They kick our asses fair and sound.

In all honesty I'm relieved. This Celtics team was great in spots, but those spots dimished between the series. And the painful ball increased in frequency in each series culminating in these Finals where it was truly kind of painful to watch for most of it from my view. Just awful. Painful. Frustating, irritating and confusing as **** in the end. I didn't get a lot of it.

I think the game has really passed me by.

[The Corey's]

Why does Tatum play with such lethargic energy? Being cool in all scenarios is great but a little **** energy every now and then to show your teamates you want this might go a long way.


I know he played 100 games and had insane minutes the last calendar year but he's a professional athlete who does this for a career in the prime of his life.

I don't get it.

[Ben-N1ce]

They need another scorer that can handle the ball. Their defense will be good. They simple aren't good enough on offense with only 2 real threats to score making it easy for teams to load up.

[TatumMVP]

Trade for Spida od Gobert leave or my man Beal, i love Al but we need improve our starting 5.

[London2Boston]

Trade for Spida od Gobert leave or my man Beal, i love Al but we need improve our starting 5.

Starting 5 wasn’t really the issue, they hung around with the Warriors well enough. Everyone outside of those 5 is pure dog **** though.

[BostonCouchGM]

something was off about Smart tonight. Like he was under the weather. He didn't have his usual fire and conversely Green was supplying that for them and that was a huge difference. One of the worst games I've seen Smart play. When Ime was hired people were claiming he'd coach the immaturity and flopping/whining out of our stars because he's black and they advocated for a black head coach who "had been there and gone through our experiences" so he'd command respect for that and for being a former NBA player. Not only did that NOT happen but the problem got even worse did it not?

We can't run the offense through wings any more. Smart is not a true PG. Ime clearly won't let PP run point and White is incapable so something has to change in that regard. Tatum improved as a playmaker but he'll never be THAT guy. He can be a playmaking forward but not our playmaker if that makes sense. He's not Luka or Lebron. He's more like Kawhi, George, and KD in that regard. He can still get his ISO and drive and kicks but it can't be predominantly what we run.

I got chills watching Horford tonight. I feel so bad for him. That was his last real shot imho unless he gets traded to a contender because I really don't see us returning.

Tatum needs to do nothing but work on finishing at the rim and Jaylen needs to work on nothing but his handle. These are glaring holes to their games that were major reasons why we lost this series. They're too far into their careers for these issues to be as bad as they are.

[flintsky21]

It's interesting how the Celtics FO, and most especially the ownership, will do moving forward. Can't recall if it was Wyc who said that if they feel they've got a championship team, that's the only time they'll go "all in." Obviously, the Celtics has proven to be that. You look at the Warriors and how they don't seem to hold back in ensuring that Steph got the best possible squad around him, overspending be damned. Obviously, something like taking a chance on Wiggs (who at a time was considered a top 3 worst contract in the league) is a huge risk, but it proved that the Warriors owners are not afraid to spend whatever it takes.

On the other hand, does this run make the Celtics just a tad more attractive to ring chasers? Otto Porter was a guy I hoped we got last offseason.

[robbie84]

Our team will be fine. Steph Curry caught fire at the right time. The dude averaged 5.2 threes per game on 11 attempts. It's like facing a Lebron level offensive weapon. I think we pretty much beat any team if everyone is healthy- bar the Warriors with Steph playing like that.
I'm more disappointed in Tatum's finals than anything. Not sure if he's more injured than we know, or he's exhausted, or he just choked- but it was surprising how poor he was compared to the Tatum we've seen for most of this season.

I'm damn proud of this team and the injuries we managed to play through.

[FlatearthZorro]

I'm more disappointed in Tatum's finals than anything. Not sure if he's more injured than we know, or he's exhausted, or he just choked- but it was surprising how poor he was compared to the Tatum we've seen for most of this season.

Same. No idea what happened to Tatum.
The disappointing part for me is how hard it is to get to the Finals and I thought we could've done slightly better overall.

[Shuttlesworth99]

How good would a Kemba Walker of 3 years ago been in this series?