Bradley Beal - Part IV

Frichuela · Post #161 » by **Frichuela** » Sat May 28, 2022 12:57 am

Not sure what exactly we could get in such scenario…

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wall_glizzy · Post #162 » by **wall_glizzy** » Sat May 28, 2022 1:03 am

Frichuela wrote:Not sure what exactly we could get in such scenario…

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Post #163 » by **nate33** » Sat May 28, 2022 1:18 pm

wall_glizzy wrote:
Frichuela wrote:Not sure what exactly we could get in such scenario…

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Even if real, it would be very difficult to work out a trade.

Phoenix would presumably have to send either Ayton or Chris Paul as the outgoing contract to match Beal's. If it was Chris Paul, we wouldn't really want him so we'd have to send him to a 3rd team that needs a veteran PG. Philly would make sense except they have Harden and that would be awkward. The only other team I can find that would pay real assets to take on a 37-year-old Chris Paul and his 2-year contract is LA. So it would be Beal to Phoenix, Paul to LA and Westbrook to DC. We'd have to send them Kuzma or KCP as well. Maybe we could get the 2024 1st from Phoenix, the 2027 pick from LA, and the 2029 pick from LA.

If Phoenix sends Ayton as the filler, it's difficult to pull off because base year compensation applies. If he was signed at $30M, his outgoing salary would only count as $15M for trade purposes. Whomever received him would have to have $15M in cap room to absorb him. The best trade I can come up with is Ayton to Charlotte, Rozier, Crowder and Torrey Craig to DC, and Beal to Phoenix. We get Charlotte to include their #13 pick and maybe a future 1st. I'd try to and flip Crowder plus KCP and Kuzma to LA for Westbrook and their 2027 1st as well.

FAH1223 · Post #164 » by **FAH1223** » Sat Jun 4, 2022 2:16 am

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9 and 20 · Post #165 » by **9 and 20** » Sat Jun 4, 2022 11:07 am

Beal, Booker, and Chris Paul on the same team? I don't know if that's going to work out. I can sort of imagine Terd wanting Chris Paul but wanting to pair him with Beal -"Come to the phone booth and see the best backcourt in the NBA. Maybe the best backcourt of all time! Then enjoy a pee in our upgraded stalls! Fun for the whole family."

Could we bring Ayton in here for Beal and then send Porzingis elsewhere, maybe to the Lakers? Ayton and Gafford would be the best 1-2 punch at center in the league if you don't count Jokic or Embiid plus their nobody backups.

Would still need a point guard but then also another starting guard. I think I'd rather trade Beal for draft picks.

B8RcDeMktfxC · Post #166 » by **B8RcDeMktfxC** » Sun Jun 5, 2022 3:26 am

nate33 wrote:
wall_glizzy wrote:
Frichuela wrote:Not sure what exactly we could get in such scenario…

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Not a real news source, c'mon

Even if real, it would be very difficult to work out a trade.

Phoenix would presumably have to send either Ayton or Chris Paul as the outgoing contract to match Beal's. If it was Chris Paul, we wouldn't really want him so we'd have to send him to a 3rd team that needs a veteran PG. Philly would make sense except they have Harden and that would be awkward. The only other team I can find that would pay real assets to take on a 37-year-old Chris Paul and his 2-year contract is LA. So it would be Beal to Phoenix, Paul to LA and Westbrook to DC. We'd have to send them Kuzma or KCP as well. Maybe we could get the 2024 1st from Phoenix, the 2027 pick from LA, and the 2029 pick from LA.
If Phoenix sends Ayton as the filler, it's difficult to pull off because base year compensation applies. If he was signed at $30M, his outgoing salary would only count as $15M for trade purposes. Whomever received him would have to have $15M in cap room to absorb him. The best trade I can come up with is Ayton to Charlotte, Rozier, Crowder and Torrey Craig to DC, and Beal to Phoenix. We get Charlotte to include their #13 pick and maybe a future 1st. I'd try to and flip Crowder plus KCP and Kuzma to LA for Westbrook and their 2027 1st as well.

Apologies, I didn't check the numbers, but what about the TWolves instead of the Lakers, with D'Lo being the TWolves outgoing main component? (I guess you could throw in Malik Beasley to get to near the Westbrook ($47m) salary levels. Combined they are a little less than $46.9m next year. CP3 is $28.4m whereas D'Lo is $31.37m ) TWolves were rumoured to want to get rid of D'Lo for a CP-like steadier PG for down the stretch in games in the playoffs, given that Edwards is now their #1 and KAT their #1b (=#2). Why not the real CP?

Is D'Lo to Wizards in place of Beal a desirable thing in any way?

Post #167 » by **nate33** » Sun Jun 5, 2022 2:04 pm

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
nate33 wrote:
wall_glizzy wrote:
Not a real news source, c'mon

Even if real, it would be very difficult to work out a trade.

Phoenix would presumably have to send either Ayton or Chris Paul as the outgoing contract to match Beal's. If it was Chris Paul, we wouldn't really want him so we'd have to send him to a 3rd team that needs a veteran PG. Philly would make sense except they have Harden and that would be awkward. The only other team I can find that would pay real assets to take on a 37-year-old Chris Paul and his 2-year contract is LA. So it would be Beal to Phoenix, Paul to LA and Westbrook to DC. We'd have to send them Kuzma or KCP as well. Maybe we could get the 2024 1st from Phoenix, the 2027 pick from LA, and the 2029 pick from LA.
If Phoenix sends Ayton as the filler, it's difficult to pull off because base year compensation applies. If he was signed at $30M, his outgoing salary would only count as $15M for trade purposes. Whomever received him would have to have $15M in cap room to absorb him. The best trade I can come up with is Ayton to Charlotte, Rozier, Crowder and Torrey Craig to DC, and Beal to Phoenix. We get Charlotte to include their #13 pick and maybe a future 1st. I'd try to and flip Crowder plus KCP and Kuzma to LA for Westbrook and their 2027 1st as well.

Apologies, I didn't check the numbers, but what about the TWolves instead of the Lakers, with D'Lo being the TWolves outgoing main component? (I guess you could throw in Malik Beasley to get to near the Westbrook ($47m) salary levels. Combined they are a little less than $46.9m next year. CP3 is $28.4m whereas D'Lo is $31.37m ) TWolves were rumoured to want to get rid of D'Lo for a CP-like steadier PG for down the stretch in games in the playoffs, given that Edwards is now their #1 and KAT their #1b (=#2). Why not the real CP?

Is D'Lo to Wizards in place of Beal a desirable thing in any way?

The purpose of involving LA is to get their future 1st round picks. If Minnesota would include a couple of minimally-protected future 1sts in a Paul for D'Lo swap, then, sure, I'd do it. I'm guessing you wouldn't do that though.

dckingsfan · Post #168 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 3:57 pm

Nice - maybe gone? Hopefully? Fingers and toes crossed?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267324/Bradley-Beal-Im-Going-To-Be-Where-I-Feel-I-Can-Win

bsilver · Post #169 » by **bsilver** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 4:55 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Nice - maybe gone? Hopefully? Fingers and toes crossed?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267324/Bradley-Beal-Im-Going-To-Be-Where-I-Feel-I-Can-Win

Hard to figure out which team meets the "winning" criteria, and could pay him.
Not us, unless a home run in the draft.

80sballboy · Post #170 » by **80sballboy** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:00 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Nice - maybe gone? Hopefully? Fingers and toes crossed?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267324/Bradley-Beal-Im-Going-To-Be-Where-I-Feel-I-Can-Win

He's probably all about the money, but I guess there's a chance he wants a ring. Not a chance to compete in the play-in game every year.

dckingsfan · Post #171 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:06 pm

bsilver wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Nice - maybe gone? Hopefully? Fingers and toes crossed?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267324/Bradley-Beal-Im-Going-To-Be-Where-I-Feel-I-Can-Win

Hard to figure out which team meets the "winning" criteria, and could pay him.
Not us, unless a home run in the draft.

Yup, we need another team to be irrationally enamored with Bradley Beal...

Post #172 » by **nate33** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:12 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
bsilver wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Nice - maybe gone? Hopefully? Fingers and toes crossed?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267324/Bradley-Beal-Im-Going-To-Be-Where-I-Feel-I-Can-Win

Hard to figure out which team meets the "winning" criteria, and could pay him.
Not us, unless a home run in the draft.

Yup, we need another team to be irrationally enamored with Bradley Beal...

Whatever happens, it looks highly unlikely that he will agree to opt in to facilitate a S&T; which means it's impossible to trade him for any picks in this draft.

ProcessDoctor · Post #173 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:22 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
bsilver wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Nice - maybe gone? Hopefully? Fingers and toes crossed?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267324/Bradley-Beal-Im-Going-To-Be-Where-I-Feel-I-Can-Win

Hard to figure out which team meets the "winning" criteria, and could pay him.
Not us, unless a home run in the draft.

Yup, we need another team to be irrationally enamored with Bradley Beal...

Morey will be enamored with him for sure. It's just hard to do a 2-team deal between us (I doubt y'all would want Tobias) and it's still unclear exactly what Beal wants. The last sentence about wanting to win and it being in DC makes me think he wants to take the money and stay then hope for the best.

80sballboy · Post #174 » by **80sballboy** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:22 pm

nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
bsilver wrote:Hard to figure out which team meets the "winning" criteria, and could pay him.
Not us, unless a home run in the draft.

Yup, we need another team to be irrationally enamored with Bradley Beal...

Whatever happens, it looks highly unlikely that he will agree to opt in to facilitate a S&T; which means it's impossible to trade him for any picks in this draft.

Could they get future picks? The salaries have to basically match, right or come close I would assume.

Post #175 » by **nate33** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:26 pm

80sballboy wrote:
nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Yup, we need another team to be irrationally enamored with Bradley Beal...

Whatever happens, it looks highly unlikely that he will agree to opt in to facilitate a S&T; which means it's impossible to trade him for any picks in this draft.

Could they get future picks? The salaries have to basically match, right or come close I would assume.

Yes. Future picks are an option. But the 2022 draft will have already taken place by the time we sign Beal.

Post #176 » by **nate33** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:39 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
bsilver wrote:Hard to figure out which team meets the "winning" criteria, and could pay him.
Not us, unless a home run in the draft.

Yup, we need another team to be irrationally enamored with Bradley Beal...

Morey will be enamored with him for sure. It's just hard to do a 2-team deal between us (I doubt y'all would want Tobias) and it's still unclear exactly what Beal wants. The last sentence about wanting to win and it being in DC makes me think he wants to take the money and stay then hope for the best.

The structure of a Beal to Philly deal would be:

Beal to Philly
Harris to LA
Westbrook to DC (where he would be bought out)

Some modest filler is necessary to make the salaries match. Then it boils down to the incentives. Philly really only has the #23 pick to trade, and that's not enough. The Wizards would demand Maxey and that's where the talks probably stall. Also, the Philly #23 pick is only in play if Beal agrees to opt in by Draft Day.

The Wizards would ask for the Lakers 2027 1st as incentive to do the Harris for Westbrook swap.

80sballboy · Post #177 » by **80sballboy** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:40 pm

nate33 wrote:
80sballboy wrote:
nate33 wrote:Whatever happens, it looks highly unlikely that he will agree to opt in to facilitate a S&T; which means it's impossible to trade him for any picks in this draft.

Could they get future picks? The salaries have to basically match, right or come close I would assume.

Yes. Future picks are an option. But the 2022 draft will have already taken place by the time we sign Beal.

But that's fine. If you are trading Beal, you are basically rebuilding. But if you trade him to a contender, you are getting a very late first-round pick back in 2023 or later, along with a package that's probably not too exciting. It's almost better to keep him than do S&T, but that's not their decision. I wonder if they ever thought of trading him to the Sixers before the injury and the trade deadline.

Halcyon · Post #178 » by **Halcyon** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:44 pm

I would be extremely surprised if he doesn't come back, at least with the super max deal. Most plausible trade scenario is probably a year from now, if the Wizards are struggling.

Post #179 » by **nate33** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:46 pm

80sballboy wrote:
nate33 wrote:
80sballboy wrote:
Could they get future picks? The salaries have to basically match, right or come close I would assume.

Yes. Future picks are an option. But the 2022 draft will have already taken place by the time we sign Beal.

But that's fine. If you are trading Beal, you are basically rebuilding. But if you trade him to a contender, you are getting a very late first-round pick back in 2023 or later, along with a package that's probably not too exciting. It's almost better to keep him than do S&T, but that's not their decision. I wonder if they ever thought of trading him to the Sixers before the injury and the trade deadline.

Oh, I agree completely. I'm totally fine with trading Beal for future picks. My only point is that all the excitement the draft enthusiasts on this board have for the guys in the 20-30 range isn't addressed by a Beal trade. We would need to acquire mid-to-late 1st round picks by other means.

Post #180 » by **nate33** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:47 pm

Halcyon wrote:I would be extremely surprised if he doesn't come back, at least with the super max deal. Most plausible trade scenario is probably a year from now, if the Wizards are struggling.

Agreed.

If Beal is flat out refusing to even contemplate opting in on his contract to facilitate a trade involving 2022 picks, then we aren't really in any hurry to trade him. Any deal that is on the table in July of 2022 is likely to still be on the table in February of 2023.