Fantasy Trade Thread

[76ciology]

Why not just have both Bobby Portis and Tobias?

Harden
Maxey
Tobias
Portis
Embiid

That would solve it then.

If you guys say Portis can play defense at 4 at long duration, if you guys think Reed-Embiid can work. And we’ve seen Ben-Biid work on offense. Why can’t this squad work?

I think both of them are genuine 4's. Except Bobby helps out a lot more at the rim.

We tried Harris at the 3 in 2020 with Al and Jo and it was just a clogged mess. He just doesn't have the footspeed to chase around the quicker forwards that would victimize him on the perimeter.

I think if we were running Harden/Maxey/(x)/(y)/Embiid - where's (y) is some forward (Harris/Portis/Boucher/Grant) - (x) would have to be some sort of perimeter defending ace that can spray 3's. Essentially Thybulle's current role, but he's just so inept offensively he can't be trusted to close games. Like a Prime Danny Green.

Wendell Moore? :p

I dont think Tobi-Al-Biid would be a mess if you have Harden-Maxey over the worst shooting backcourt in history of the NBA with Josh Rich and Ben Simmons.

Harden
Maxey
Tobias
Al
Embiid

I dont see any problem with that

Al and Tobi at the corners.

Maxey-Harden 2 man game then Harden-Embiid 2 man game. Collapse the defense then kick it out to shooters.

Defense, switch everything. Embiid steps out on ball handler. Al rotates to the rim, everyone rotates.

[76ciology]

Al Horford is shooting 45 3pt% on 2 makes per game.

[ankle420breaker]

Think Phoenix would consider Danny Green, Thybulle, and Joe for Dario and Shamet?

Improves our spacing and gives us needed offense off the bench. Phoenix upgrades defensively with Thybulle and Bridges on the wings.

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[youngcrev]

Think Phoenix would consider Danny Green, Thybulle, and Joe for Dario and Shamet?

Improves our spacing and gives us needed offense off the bench. Phoenix upgrades defensively with Thybulle and Bridges on the wings.

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Probably. I'm sure they'd love to get off some salary.

Who's the 5th starter in that scenario?

[ankle420breaker]

Think Phoenix would consider Danny Green, Thybulle, and Joe for Dario and Shamet?

Improves our spacing and gives us needed offense off the bench. Phoenix upgrades defensively with Thybulle and Bridges on the wings.

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Probably. I'm sure they'd love to get off some salary.

Who's the 5th starter in that scenario?

Still needs to be addressed. Need to use the MLE or get crafty with a deal. Maybe a vet like Rudy Gay or Ingles is willing to sign a vet minimum

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[youngcrev]

You said this way too assuredly for me to feel like you were being all the way serious.

Portis shoots more 3's at a better clip, generates more steals and blocks, is more efficient and is a much better rebounder.

What makes Harris more impactful on both sides of the ball? (in the context of fitting into a role as a player insulating a star - which is of the bracket they both lie)

Because they don't play the same role. Harris is a heavy minute starter with greater responsibilities on both ends of the floor.

"The same role" doesn't exist because we aren't making a direct comparison between controlled environments.

Harris playing big minutes because he was on a team that couldn't trust a singular non starter to stay on the floor for more than 20 minutes per game in the playoffs, isn't comparable to Portis playing on a deep Bucks team that had 8 players play 20 or more minutes per game in the playoffs.

That also has no bearing on how well they performed in their roles irrespective of circumstance and is a pretty vapid way to compare the abilities between two players.

Any basketball reasons?

Tobias was pretty good for us in his role down the stretch and in the playoffs. He provides a more diverse offensive attack and is more versatile defensively. He was arguably our most consistent performer in the playoffs, and was assigned to the opposing team's best player in both series.

If you straight up replaced Harris with Portis on the roster, he wouldn't fill the same role. I think he'd find success here as a guy that can play some 4 and 5 while stretching the floor, but I don't think they'd rely on him to do nearly as much as they do Tobias, which is why I don't think they're comparable.

[stormi]

Why not just have both Bobby Portis and Tobias?

Harden
Maxey
Tobias
Portis
Embiid

That would solve it then.

If you guys say Portis can play defense at 4 at long duration, if you guys think Reed-Embiid can work. And we’ve seen Ben-Biid work on offense. Why can’t this squad work?

I think both of them are genuine 4's. Except Bobby helps out a lot more at the rim.

We tried Harris at the 3 in 2020 with Al and Jo and it was just a clogged mess. He just doesn't have the footspeed to chase around the quicker forwards that would victimize him on the perimeter.

I think if we were running Harden/Maxey/(x)/(y)/Embiid - where's (y) is some forward (Harris/Portis/Boucher/Grant) - (x) would have to be some sort of perimeter defending ace that can spray 3's. Essentially Thybulle's current role, but he's just so inept offensively he can't be trusted to close games. Like a Prime Danny Green.

Wendell Moore? :p

I dont think Tobi-Al-Biid would be a mess if you have Harden-Maxey over the worst shooting backcourt in history of the NBA with Josh Rich and Ben Simmons.

Harden
Maxey
Tobias
Al
Embiid

I dont see any problem with that

Al and Tobi at the corners.

Maxey-Harden 2 man game then Harden-Embiid 2 man game. Collapse the defense then kick it out to shooters.

Defense, switch everything. Embiid steps out on ball handler. Al rotates to the rim, everyone rotates.

Ben-Richardson-Harris-Horford-Embiid was a mess on both ends. Defensively, because of Harris - and offensively because of Ben.

The defensive concerns remain when you have Harris at the 3 because he's just better at guarding slower players than quicker ones.

I think Harden-Maxey-Harris-Portis-Embiid gets destroyed defensively because that unit is unbelievably slow, and we'll be at the complete mercy of whatever star guard or quick forward we come across - shades of 2020.

The Celtics can get away with it because of Smart and Brown having the quickness and athleticism to guard down or up. I don't think you want any of Harden, or Maxey or Harris primarily tracking lead guards all game.

Ideally you have someone like Herb Jones [Harden - Maxey - Jones - Portis - Embiid] that's 6'8 with ballerina feet and has the size to create a jumbo lineup, but also has the agility to consistently step out onto the perimeter and alleviate a tonne of the defensive backcourt pressure.

[stormi]

Because they don't play the same role. Harris is a heavy minute starter with greater responsibilities on both ends of the floor.

"The same role" doesn't exist because we aren't making a direct comparison between controlled environments.

Harris playing big minutes because he was on a team that couldn't trust a singular non starter to stay on the floor for more than 20 minutes per game in the playoffs, isn't comparable to Portis playing on a deep Bucks team that had 8 players play 20 or more minutes per game in the playoffs.

That also has no bearing on how well they performed in their roles irrespective of circumstance and is a pretty vapid way to compare the abilities between two players.

Any basketball reasons?

Tobias was pretty good for us in his role down the stretch and in the playoffs. He provides a more diverse offensive attack and is more versatile defensively. He was arguably our most consistent performer in the playoffs, and was assigned to the opposing team's best player in both series.

If you straight up replaced Harris with Portis on the roster, he wouldn't fill the same role. I think he'd find success here as a guy that can play some 4 and 5 while stretching the floor, but I don't think they'd rely on him to do nearly as much as they do Tobias, which is why I don't think they're comparable.

I respect your opinion Crev.

[Kobblehead]

If we strike out on getting Malik Monk on a vet minimum, I wonder how much it would cost to get Immanuel Quickley off the Knicks. Hopefully nothing more than a 2nd rounder and some cash.

Already has built in chemistry with Maxey. Has the potential to be an elite shooter with how open he would be in this offense.

[Negrodamus]

I imagine the Knicks will use Quickley as part of a bigger package for a star. I mean, how many guards do they plan on hoarding going into next season (Fournier, Quickley, Rose, Barrett, Burks, Kemba, Grimes, McBride)?

I could see them trying to consolidate to get someone like Beal, which would be a Knicks move (and a disastrous one at that).

[Kobblehead]

It sucks because I think Quickley had an outside chance of being a star for them, coming off his promising rookie year. He should have been afforded the opportunity to play like 30+ mpg in year 2 to see if he can be a dude. But they re-signed Walker/Rose/Burks and everything was all clogged up.

[stormi]

I really like Quickley. Perfect off the ball guard to play alongside Maxey or Harden, and run a bench unit.

I wonder if all defensive first team Thybulle has enough pull to yield the swap.

[stormi]

Thibs was rotating an awful washed Kemba and a washed Rose, who then got significantly hurt, and IQ still couldn't find himself in the rotation. I don't think he likes Quickley or Reddish, and I'd happily take either.

[76ciology]

Yeah I also like Quickley. But something tells me that Knicks is built to unload one of two groups of guys (vets or youngins) and go for zion or similar guy.

[76Shots]

I imagine the Knicks will use Quickley as part of a bigger package for a star. I mean, how many guards do they plan on hoarding going into next season (Fournier, Quickley, Rose, Barrett, Burks, Kemba, Grimes, McBride)?

I could see them trying to consolidate to get someone like Beal, which would be a Knicks move (and a disastrous one at that).

Or part of a possible sign and trade package for Harden?

[Negrodamus]

I imagine the Knicks will use Quickley as part of a bigger package for a star. I mean, how many guards do they plan on hoarding going into next season (Fournier, Quickley, Rose, Barrett, Burks, Kemba, Grimes, McBride)?

I could see them trying to consolidate to get someone like Beal, which would be a Knicks move (and a disastrous one at that).

Or part of a possible sign and trade package for Harden?

You’ll have to pry him out of Morey’s cold, dead hands.

[Kobblehead]

I forget, was Daryl's first choice Lillard over Harden?

[davesilver]

WAS open to trading #10

Would you consider Maxey Thybulle Tobias Danny 2RP for Beal Kuzma Advija #10

Package #10 and #23 for #7 (POR) and draft AJ Griffin

Harden Beal Advija Kuzma Embiid
Shake Furk Griffin Niang Reed

For WAS, they get the best asset in the trade (Maxey), pump and dump Tobias’ value for a year, pick up Thybulle. Would be a haul for us — doubt we could get Advija AND #10 AND Kuzma.

[mjkvol]

WAS open to trading #10

Would you consider Maxey Thybulle Tobias Danny 2RP for Beal Kuzma Advija #10

Package #10 and #23 for #7 (POR) and draft AJ Griffin

Harden Beal Advija Kuzma Embiid
Shake Furk Griffin Niang Reed

For WAS, they get the best asset in the trade (Maxey), pump and dump Tobias’ value for a year, pick up Thybulle. Would be a haul for us — doubt we could get Advija AND #10 AND Kuzma.

That is highly unlikely only because deals that big rarely happen. I see where you're going with that, but I don't like or trust Beal and I love Maxey, who to me is on the cusp of being as good or better than Beal, but without the burden of another max deal.

[davesilver]

WAS open to trading #10

Would you consider Maxey Thybulle Tobias Danny 2RP for Beal Kuzma Advija #10

Package #10 and #23 for #7 (POR) and draft AJ Griffin

Harden Beal Advija Kuzma Embiid
Shake Furk Griffin Niang Reed

For WAS, they get the best asset in the trade (Maxey), pump and dump Tobias’ value for a year, pick up Thybulle. Would be a haul for us — doubt we could get Advija AND #10 AND Kuzma.

That is highly unlikely only because deals that big rarely happen. I see where you're going with that, but I don't like or trust Beal and I love Maxey, who to me is on the cusp of being as good or better than Beal, but without the burden of another max deal.

Agree with everything you said. Reasoning being if we could sidestep / slight back step this year with Maxey/Beal, gain a high ceiling/immediate contributor 3&D guy with Griffin, surround our core with better fits like Kuz, Avdija, that is a lot of +