Win now trade idea thread (Build around Dame!!)

[tester551]

but again, this BYC rule only apples to players on rookie scale contracts signing their 2nd contract

Incorrect. The BYC rules are applied when a player receives more than a 20% salary increase. This occurs most frequently when players are coming off rookie contracts, but it can occur later in their career.

Also, BYC is really only applicable now with S&T.

Nurk can be subject to the BYC rules if is involved in a S&T for a beginning salary of more than $14.4M ($12M prior salary * 1.2)

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q93

The BYC thing is solved by teams being under the salary cap where they don't even need matching salary. That really limits the number of teams you can trade with though...

There are other options too. You can leverage the salary matching windows to make it compliant with the CBA.

Again, using Nurk as an example. Say be is involved in a S&T where his first year salary is $21M to a non-tax team (over the cap).

Portland can only use the higher value of 50% of Nurk's salary ($10.5M) or his prior contract ($12.0M) for matching purposes. Per the CBA, Portland can take back $5M of additional salary (so up to $17.0M).

The receiving team would have to receive all $21M of Nurk's salary. Since they can only take back $5M more than they send out - they would have to send out a minimum of $16M.

Therefore, if the other team has a player (or multiple players) who's salaries are between $16-17M - then it would be a legal trade with only the 2 teams.

[Blazers98]

With the article that reads that basically Portland is willing to give up the #7 pick for an established player, I think we are 100% going with Dame this year and giving him an opportunity.

Possible aquisitions:
OG- again, a guy that can be win now or stick around if we blow it up. Solid 3rd scoring option with the potential to be a #2 scoring option.
Bridges-very similar to the win now or stick around if we blow it up option. I like OG better though.
Collins- He just doesn't seem happy in Atlanta with hi role so the Hawks may part ways with him. Again, a win now or keep if we blow it up player.
Christian Wood- Like the potential and Houston might want to part ways to make room for their center of the future. Nice 3rd scoring option.
Ayton- I have some reservations about him for the price that he would demand. A true role of the dice here. Could really move the needle or not and then we are stuck with him.
Holmes- With Sabonis, seems like Holmes needs a new home (sorry could not resist the pun) He is a solid center that might be had for a low price. What do you guys think of Holmes?
Grant- I'm skeptical of a PF that can't rebound and has a 44% FG%. But willing to take him if we don't have to give up much.
Beal- a pipe dream IMO
Lavine- redundant with Dame a bit and expensive.

I think it might be possible to get a wing like OG/Bridges and another low(er) end player from this list like Wood.
Dame
Simons
Hart (Really like him as a role player)
OG (Collins) (Bridges)
Wood (Holmes)

Not bad.

[Jsun947]

but again, this BYC rule only apples to players on rookie scale contracts signing their 2nd contract

Incorrect. The BYC rules are applied when a player receives more than a 20% salary increase. This occurs most frequently when players are coming off rookie contracts, but it can occur later in their career.

Also, BYC is really only applicable now with S&T.

Nurk can be subject to the BYC rules if is involved in a S&T for a beginning salary of more than $14.4M ($12M prior salary * 1.2)

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q93

The BYC thing is solved by teams being under the salary cap where they don't even need matching salary. That really limits the number of teams you can trade with though...

There are other options too. You can leverage the salary matching windows to make it compliant with the CBA.

Again, using Nurk as an example. Say be is involved in a S&T where his first year salary is $21M to a non-tax team (over the cap).

Portland can only use the higher value of 50% of Nurk's salary ($10.5M) or his prior contract ($12.0M) for matching purposes. Per the CBA, Portland can take back $5M of additional salary (so up to $17.0M).

The receiving team would have to receive all $21M of Nurk's salary. Since they can only take back $5M more than they send out - they would have to send out a minimum of $16M.

Therefore, if the other team has a player (or multiple players) who's salaries are between $16-17M - then it would be a legal trade with only the 2 teams.

I’m curious what Nurkic trade value would be in a S&T. What teams would be interested?

Same question about Simons?

What is Josh Hart’s trade value?

[DaVoiceMaster]

If we got Collins, I'm not sure we should get Grant. From little bits I've read, he's not a good SF. I'm also not a fan of Lillard and Simon's together. It's CJ 2.0!!s

[Blazers98]

If we got Collins, I'm not sure we should get Grant. From little bits I've read, he's not a good SF. I'm also not a fan of Lillard and Simon's together. It's CJ 2.0!!s

Agreed, Grant is not an ideal SF.
I think Simons would be a great 6th man for us. I'd love to see Hart start and Simons come off the bench but it seems like Simons will get the start.

[Goldbum]

Collins and Daniels is my dream 3/4 combo this off season. Having an Elite perimeter defender who throws a fantastic lob pass at the 3 compliments Collins and his ability to move the ball completely everyone else. Within 2 years I think Daniels is a 37% 3 pt shooter and as he develops could turn into a fantastic 2-3 rotation of Keon/Daniels and Nas... that's a lot of hustle energy speed and D to go with Ant at PG.

[BlazersBroncos]

Collins and Daniels is my dream 3/4 combo this off season. Having an Elite perimeter defender who throws a fantastic lob pass at the 3 compliments Collins and his ability to move the ball completely everyone else. Within 2 years I think Daniels is a 37% 3 pt shooter and as he develops could turn into a fantastic 2-3 rotation of Keon/Daniels and Nas... that's a lot of hustle energy speed and D to go with Ant at PG.

I would absolutely love that too, but dont see how we get Collins w/o moving 7.

[Dame Lizard]

Collins and Daniels is my dream 3/4 combo this off season. Having an Elite perimeter defender who throws a fantastic lob pass at the 3 compliments Collins and his ability to move the ball completely everyone else. Within 2 years I think Daniels is a 37% 3 pt shooter and as he develops could turn into a fantastic 2-3 rotation of Keon/Daniels and Nas... that's a lot of hustle energy speed and D to go with Ant at PG.

I would absolutely love that too, but dont see how we get Collins w/o moving 7.

Agree that we'll need to give up #7 to land John Collins.

I have really dislike John Collins' behaviour when vsing Portland previously (a dirty play + horrendous flop come to mind).

But I can't deny it - he'd be our best PF since LMA and it's not even remotely close.

[Goldbum]

I mean
Dame
Ant
Daniels
Collins
Nurkic would be the most entertaining team we've had since...sheesh I'll have to think about that.

If we can't get Collins can we get Wood?I prefer Collins but Wood is a great "second move"

Wood
Daniels
MLE
Healthy Dame/Hart/Winslow
PLAYER Traded for Pieces + TPE
Is a lot of improvement

[Blazers98]

According to Rotoworld, Atlanta moving Collins is legit.
If we are going to reload with Dame, this is an excellent opportunity.
Basically #7 for Collins with any needed filler would give this reload life.

[Norm2953]

Just moves to get Portland to the #6 spot in the western conference after the WC GSW, Memphis,
Phoenix, LAC and NO (If Zion returns).

[Case2012]

I wonder if INDY would swap Murray for Sharpe and another small asset. I’m sure they just take Murray but maybe they decide to let us move up one for the Milwaukee pick? I’m sorry but if we’re planning on giving up a bunch of stuff for Collins I would rather move up a spot for Murray who I think will be as good day 1. Yes I think he’s worth it and at 22 he should be able to contribute day one. We would still have 3 tpe’s, 3 seconds and the MLE, not too mention Keon, GB, Watford and a potential sign and trade with Simons if the right opportunity and salary presents itself.

[DaVoiceMaster]

How would Brogdon look next to Lillard? Wiretap says Indy is looking to trade him and Turner for draft picks. Wondering if they have any interest in Simon's instead. If they got Turner, they could release the Nurkic cap hold. Not sure how much cap space that would create; perhaps enough to make a Simon's for Brogdan trade work, then swap Bledsoe for Turner. Not sure what more it would take to even things out. Could sign TJ Warren for either the BAE to let him prove himself or maybe the MLE if necessary. That still leaves the CJ TPE, #7 pick and Milwaukee 2025 pick to Atlanta for John Collins.

Lillard/Vet/B-Will or Dunn
Brogdon/Hart/Johnson
Warren/Little/Louzada
Collins/Winslow/Watford
Turner/Vet/Eubanks

[Dame Lizard]

How would Brogdon look next to Lillard? Wiretap says Indy is looking to trade him and Turner for draft picks. Wondering if they have any interest in Simon's instead. If they got Turner, they could release the Nurkic cap hold. Not sure how much cap space that would create; perhaps enough to make a Simon's for Brogdan trade work, then swap Bledsoe for Turner. Not sure what more it would take to even things out. Could sign TJ Warren for either the BAE to let him prove himself or maybe the MLE if necessary. That still leaves the CJ TPE, #7 pick and Milwaukee 2025 pick to Atlanta for John Collins.

Lillard/Vet/B-Will or Dunn
Brogdon/Hart/Johnson
Warren/Little/Louzada
Collins/Winslow/Watford
Turner/Vet/Eubanks

I think he'd look good next to Lillard. However, I have no interest in trading Simons for Brogdon.

Simons has some serious upside that is sometimes forgotten imo. I don't think he's a good fit next to Dame, but I think we're that far away from having a championship calibre team that I'm not making decisions based around that.

If Dame leaves, Simons gives us something to at least be excited about.

[wjun15]

we need to trade hart and our future firsts to make our rosters balance more and then get collins and another starting wing. little is more than capable of backing up the 2/3. in order to get OG prolly need hawks 16th pick as well.

collins and 16th for 7th and keon and our 2nd rounder
og for 16th hart, future first (don't know if salaries work)

Dame/Dunn
simons/little
OG/little/Kyle anderson
collins/Kyle anderson
nurk/Watford/eubanks

If our gm wasn't so incompetent we'd have another first to dangle...

[Case2012]

How would Brogdon look next to Lillard? Wiretap says Indy is looking to trade him and Turner for draft picks. Wondering if they have any interest in Simon's instead. If they got Turner, they could release the Nurkic cap hold. Not sure how much cap space that would create; perhaps enough to make a Simon's for Brogdan trade work, then swap Bledsoe for Turner. Not sure what more it would take to even things out. Could sign TJ Warren for either the BAE to let him prove himself or maybe the MLE if necessary. That still leaves the CJ TPE, #7 pick and Milwaukee 2025 pick to Atlanta for John Collins.

Lillard/Vet/B-Will or Dunn
Brogdon/Hart/Johnson
Warren/Little/Louzada
Collins/Winslow/Watford
Turner/Vet/Eubanks

I like this a lot but there's only one ball. Talent wise though, we'd be stacked.
.
I know people don't like Randle but I would prefer to take a chance with him and trade down to 11 with him coming back for 7. He's more proven than Collins and is very good friends with Turner plus we could still use the 11th pick on a Sochan or something. I really think that deal would be on the table for NYC after what Randle did last season.

[BlazersBroncos]

How would Brogdon look next to Lillard? Wiretap says Indy is looking to trade him and Turner for draft picks. Wondering if they have any interest in Simon's instead. If they got Turner, they could release the Nurkic cap hold. Not sure how much cap space that would create; perhaps enough to make a Simon's for Brogdan trade work, then swap Bledsoe for Turner. Not sure what more it would take to even things out. Could sign TJ Warren for either the BAE to let him prove himself or maybe the MLE if necessary. That still leaves the CJ TPE, #7 pick and Milwaukee 2025 pick to Atlanta for John Collins.

Lillard/Vet/B-Will or Dunn
Brogdon/Hart/Johnson
Warren/Little/Louzada
Collins/Winslow/Watford
Turner/Vet/Eubanks

I still strongly believe that Ant and Nurkic are 100% in the teams future plans. I think a big move using 7 then small moves using TPE / MLE is most likely, I dont see the assets to cobble together 2 splash deals.

Bledsoe + Winslow + 7 for Collins
Warren for TP MLE
CJ TPE for Kyle Anderson S&T

G - Damian Lillard / Anfernee Simons / Kris Dunn
G - Anfernee Simons / Josh Hart / Keon Johnson
F - Kyle Anderson / Nas Little / Didi Louzara
F - John Collins / TJ Warren / Greg Brown
C - Jusuf Nurkic / #36 + Watford + Eubanks (Platoon + Collins small-ball)

[Jsun947]

How would Brogdon look next to Lillard? Wiretap says Indy is looking to trade him and Turner for draft picks. Wondering if they have any interest in Simon's instead. If they got Turner, they could release the Nurkic cap hold. Not sure how much cap space that would create; perhaps enough to make a Simon's for Brogdan trade work, then swap Bledsoe for Turner. Not sure what more it would take to even things out. Could sign TJ Warren for either the BAE to let him prove himself or maybe the MLE if necessary. That still leaves the CJ TPE, #7 pick and Milwaukee 2025 pick to Atlanta for John Collins.

Lillard/Vet/B-Will or Dunn
Brogdon/Hart/Johnson
Warren/Little/Louzada
Collins/Winslow/Watford
Turner/Vet/Eubanks

I still strongly believe that Ant and Nurkic are 100% in the teams future plans. I think a big move using 7 then small moves using TPE / MLE is most likely, I dont see the assets to cobble together 2 splash deals.

Bledsoe + Winslow + 7 for Collins
Warren for TP MLE
CJ TPE for Kyle Anderson S&T

G - Damian Lillard / Anfernee Simons / Kris Dunn
G - Anfernee Simons / Josh Hart / Keon Johnson
F - Kyle Anderson / Nas Little / Didi Louzara
F - John Collins / TJ Warren / Greg Brown
C - Jusuf Nurkic / #36 + Watford + Eubanks (Platoon + Collins small-ball)

I’d bet money Nurkic and Simons are blazers next season. I really don’t think there’s a market for Nurkic in a sign and trade scenario and similar for Simons due to BYC provisions. Nurkic would be easier to trade at the deadline when he’s under contract and you need Simons if Dame ends up wanting out.

If there was a way to trade the #7 & getting Collins+#16 back, so we could use it in a separate move that would be more interesting to me.

[wjun15]

hard to win when your starting 2 guards are mediocre defenders. it's just not a championship recipe.

I hope pdx realizes this early next year.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I dunno which is worse, overpaying for Collins or overpaying for Grant. Cant help but feel this team is going to do something like that, one of the most pessimistic offseasons I've felt in a while.