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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1641 » by carnageta » Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:21 pm

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twix2500 wrote:I am going to repeat this numerous times this summer. Duncan Robinson has more value around the league than you think.

Sure, but it's not across the board, I'd expect his value to teams is wildly inconsistent where some teams wouldn't even consider Robinson based on his contract and defense while other teams would covet his 3pt shooting to open up the court for their other players. It'll probably take a 3+ team trade to get good value out of Robinson.

Here's a twist with Duncan, if he puts on more muscle/weight and becomes an option at PF. I'd have to think Robinson playing defense on a PF would be less hurtful then on a more agile wing. He's going to get hunted either way but Miami may be able to help more with a defensive wing helping then a slower defensive PF helping.


Robinson would get absolutely exposed playing PF - even more so than he does playing SG/SF. He doesn't have enough physicality to be guarding players as tall as him and 30lbs larger, not to mention the ability to rebound against them.

His frame is not one where you can expect massive gains from a bulk. He may be able to put on 10lbs or so, but even then he'd still be good weak to guard opposing wings.. let alone opposing 4's.
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1642 » by contract » Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:14 pm

twix2500 wrote:I am going to repeat this numerous times this summer. Duncan Robinson has more value around the league than you think.

I seriously doubt it. I think he might be a positive asset at half his salary. Maybe. But I can't imagine that any team is eager to pay $17 million next season and ~ $64 million for the next 3 years for a wing player who can shoot but can barely score and is a traffic cone on defense.
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1643 » by AirP. » Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:31 pm

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twix2500 wrote:I am going to repeat this numerous times this summer. Duncan Robinson has more value around the league than you think.

Sure, but it's not across the board, I'd expect his value to teams is wildly inconsistent where some teams wouldn't even consider Robinson based on his contract and defense while other teams would covet his 3pt shooting to open up the court for their other players. It'll probably take a 3+ team trade to get good value out of Robinson.

Here's a twist with Duncan, if he puts on more muscle/weight and becomes an option at PF. I'd have to think Robinson playing defense on a PF would be less hurtful then on a more agile wing. He's going to get hunted either way but Miami may be able to help more with a defensive wing helping then a slower defensive PF helping.


Robinson would get absolutely exposed playing PF - even more so than he does playing SG/SF. He doesn't have enough physicality to be guarding players as tall as him and 30lbs larger, not to mention the ability to rebound against them.

His frame is not one where you can expect massive gains from a bulk. He may be able to put on 10lbs or so, but even then he'd still be good weak to guard opposing wings.. let alone opposing 4's.

Not saying it's ideal but the thought is to entice the other team to change how they play and go into the post with him. I'm way better with Robinson trying to body someone up and get pushed around then watch him be a matador out on the parameter giving up easy 2s or the elusive for most but easy for him soft and 1s because for some reason he thinks he has to gently touch the player before they score.
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1644 » by AirP. » Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:33 pm

Going through some podcasts and Locked on Thunder thinks Roby may be an odd man out after the draft in OKC. 23 years old 6'8'' 230 lbs PF who can shoot from 3 and guard multiple positions, not your glamor acquisition but would be a solid option at PF coming off the bench.



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Post#1645 » by TroubleS0me » Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:35 pm

Wiltside wrote:OG would be sick. There’s still some upside offensively there. At his peak, he should be a better version of Luol Deng. Somewhere between Deng and young Kawhi, before he really blew up.

Randle is interesting. Don’t love it defensively, but if Bam ain’t gonna be a big offensive option, Julius ain’t bashful. Mind you, he was pretty awful this year tbh.

Lebron…I don’t really want to entertain the thought. But I gotta be honest, it wouldn’t shock me. Given we didn’t win, legacy wise I don’t think it’d effect him. Plus he’s played here before.

I’d assume they’d want Lowry/Duncan/Herro and a pick or something for him though.


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Post#1646 » by HeatFanLifer » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:09 pm

Maybe if we stop talking about Robinson, everyone will forget he’s on the team and his salary will come off the books?

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Post#1647 » by DayofMourning » Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:11 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:A lot of these players we are working out for the draft seem more like mid 2nd round names. I could see us trading out of the 1st to recoup some second round picks. Our second this year was stripped by the NBA for Lowry. Could also swap the 27th for the 46th in a Grant deal with the Pistons. Nbadraft.net currently has Julian Champagnie at 46 who we recently worked out. Justin Lewis is also projected around that pick with tankathon having him at 50 on there board.


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Post#1648 » by DayofMourning » Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:13 pm

carnageta wrote:Lol that would be interesting.. that team would definitely struggle the first couple years though. Can't see them winning more than 15 games all year if they were to do that


Oh boy, they'd be terrible. I'd be tuning in though. The potential would be through the roof.
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Post#1649 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:55 pm

contract wrote:Man I can't take my eyes off this place for a minute. When did reacquiring Lebron become a conversation?


apparently lebron was on his personal PR talk show and his buddy asked him who he wants to play for if he could, and he said miami and golden state, that those teams would be special
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Post#1650 » by HeatFanLifer » Sat Jun 11, 2022 10:23 pm

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contract wrote:Man I can't take my eyes off this place for a minute. When did reacquiring Lebron become a conversation?


apparently lebron was on his personal PR talk show and his buddy asked him who he wants to play for if he could, and he said miami and golden state, that those teams would be special


He is not a FA. How is this not tampering?
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Post#1651 » by IggieCC » Sat Jun 11, 2022 10:28 pm

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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1652 » by contract » Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:01 pm

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twix2500 wrote:I am going to repeat this numerous times this summer. Duncan Robinson has more value around the league than you think.

Sure, but it's not across the board, I'd expect his value to teams is wildly inconsistent where some teams wouldn't even consider Robinson based on his contract and defense while other teams would covet his 3pt shooting to open up the court for their other players. It'll probably take a 3+ team trade to get good value out of Robinson.

Here's a twist with Duncan, if he puts on more muscle/weight and becomes an option at PF. I'd have to think Robinson playing defense on a PF would be less hurtful then on a more agile wing. He's going to get hunted either way but Miami may be able to help more with a defensive wing helping then a slower defensive PF helping.

I'm not sure opposing teams wouldn't play small and keep punishing Duncan because it's not as if he could make them pay on the other end with his size.
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Post#1653 » by fishfuego. » Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:18 pm

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contract wrote:Man I can't take my eyes off this place for a minute. When did reacquiring Lebron become a conversation?


apparently lebron was on his personal PR talk show and his buddy asked him who he wants to play for if he could, and he said miami and golden state, that those teams would be special


He is not a FA. How is this not tampering?

I think a player can express preferable destinations as long as they’re not in contact with such teams. It is not the same as a team bribing you to join them.
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Post#1654 » by Heat_Down_Under » Sun Jun 12, 2022 12:49 am

I don’t want James here. I want butler to win a title as “the man”. James coming here would maybe help us win a title.. but don’t want it to overshadow what butler has done for us…
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Post#1655 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:13 am

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Post#1656 » by MartyConlonJr » Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:17 am

Heat_Down_Under wrote:I don’t want James here. I want butler to win a title as “the man”. James coming here would maybe help us win a title.. but don’t want it to overshadow what butler has done for us…


It is bitter-sweet in a way. I didn't want Shaq here and wanted to run it through with Wade, EJ, Caron, Grant and Odom. I didn't want LeBron here and wanted Wade to win it as the alpha. I didn't even want Jimmy here, thinking J-Rich was more a home grown and young guy.

Miami has 3 championships and all because of those types of moves. It is why Riley is in charge, not people like me. He is unemotional about personnel, and all about winning. And whenever he has done the emotional thing (e.g. reward Dion, JJ, Whiteside over Wade), he has paid the price.

So while I agree, LeBron coming to Miami to go for one last ring and to break the all time scoring record as a Miami Heat player would be the sort of of move you would see Riley do (assuming he wasn't too pissed at LeBron and his reps from that exit meeting)
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#1657 » by HeatFanLifer » Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:49 am

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apparently lebron was on his personal PR talk show and his buddy asked him who he wants to play for if he could, and he said miami and golden state, that those teams would be special


He is not a FA. How is this not tampering?

I think a player can express preferable destinations as long as they’re not in contact with such teams. It is not the same as a team bribing you to join them.


I think it’s just as bad as a team bribing because it sends a message of not wanting to play for the team you have a contract under. It not only damages the reputation of the organization, but the fanbase as well. But w/e I get your point, not saying your view is wrong. I just disagree.
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Post#1658 » by HeatFanLifer » Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:52 am

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Post#1659 » by oreon » Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:52 am

Heat_Down_Under wrote:I don’t want James here. I want butler to win a title as “the man”. James coming here would maybe help us win a title.. but don’t want it to overshadow what butler has done for us…


You do what you gotta for a chip. If the devil was a hooper and could guarantee us a ring, I'd sign him up. lol
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Post#1660 » by IggieCC » Sun Jun 12, 2022 2:20 am

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