GSW / SAC – Deal around Kuminga and #4

[azwfan]

Maybe the value is off, but what about a 3 teams including Detroit and Indiana?

Detroit Out: #5 / Cory Joseph
Detroit In: Jonathan Kuminga

Indiana Out: Miles Turner / Chris Duarte / #31 and a future 2nd
Indiana In: Cory Joseph / Kevon Looney / James Wiseman / #5

GSW Out: Kevon Looney / James Wiseman / Jonathan Kuminga
GSW In: Miles Turner / Chris Duarte / #31 and a future 2nd

Few things:

1) Don't think we can trade Looney cause he's a FA. A FA we better resign.
2) Looney dragged us (despite the majority of the team's best efforts) to the conference finals by rebounding everything against Memphis... and then was impactful against Dallas. Not interested in going from Looney to Turner.

[Commodor]

I think value is probably not far off but I don’t think GSW has any interest. Kuminga seems like a great fit and a great long term option to replace Draymond + unlimited upside. Why roll the dice they may find a fit that is as good?

I’ve posted before I think Poole+picks would be the option GSW offers for #4 (Ivey). They avoid having to pay him and Wiggins and get a replacement guard. Poole helps Brown install his offense and his range fits well next to Fox and Sabonis ( although his defense does not).

[BoogieTime]

not close. not a kuminga guy. no range, not a lot of bbiq, bit of a tweener

and doesn't match the win now direction

[gswhoops]

I think value is probably not far off but I don’t think GSW has any interest. Kuminga seems like a great fit and a great long term option to replace Draymond + unlimited upside. Why roll the dice they may find a fit that is as good?

I’ve posted before I think Poole+picks would be the option GSW offers for #4 (Ivey). They avoid having to pay him and Wiggins and get a replacement guard. Poole helps Brown install his offense and his range fits well next to Fox and Sabonis ( although his defense does not).

I'm generally not a fan of trading Poole for a draft pick but I'll admit it makes more sense than trading Kuminga for a draft pick.

[kb02]

Depends on who's there at #4. If the Kings do not like who's there, I would probably do #4 + Holmes + #37 for Kuminga + Moody +28.

I doubt the Warriors are interested in moving Moody in a deal in which his value does not appear to be at least equivalent to last year (late lottery). They really like him and I expect him to play a relevant role next season. I would like to retain Looney and I think there is a chance, but if it's not possible, I think Holmes is a decent option (if we can even acquire him under the CBA). But does he still have the domestic issue hanging over him and is he prone to a bad attitude if he has inconsistent minutes and may even end up coming off the bench?

The domestic violence issue is over and Holmes won custody.

[kb02]

I think value is probably not far off but I don’t think GSW has any interest. Kuminga seems like a great fit and a great long term option to replace Draymond + unlimited upside. Why roll the dice they may find a fit that is as good?

I’ve posted before I think Poole+picks would be the option GSW offers for #4 (Ivey). They avoid having to pay him and Wiggins and get a replacement guard. Poole helps Brown install his offense and his range fits well next to Fox and Sabonis ( although his defense does not).

Poole plus picks for #4? Nah.

[giberish]

A 1 and done rookie (or similar aged rookie) just isn't going to get big minutes on a title contender outside of some extreme circumstances. Kunminga did enough as a rookie to reasonably expect him to step into a significant rotation role next season. (I'd expect that only 1 of Otto Porter or JTA will be back and Draymond could end up playing fewer minutes as he continues to age). Meanwhile resetting to a new rookie means bringing in a new guy who is unlikely to be rotation ready as a rookie.

[vege]

Maybe the value is off, but what about a 3 teams including Detroit and Indiana?

Detroit Out: #5 / Cory Joseph
Detroit In: Jonathan Kuminga

Indiana Out: Miles Turner / Chris Duarte / #31 and a future 2nd
Indiana In: Cory Joseph / Kevon Looney / James Wiseman / #5

GSW Out: Kevon Looney / James Wiseman / Jonathan Kuminga
GSW In: Miles Turner / Chris Duarte / #31 and a future 2nd

Few things:

1) Don't think we can trade Looney cause he's a FA. A FA we better resign.
2) Looney dragged us (despite the majority of the team's best efforts) to the conference finals by rebounding everything against Memphis... and then was impactful against Dallas. Not interested in going from Looney to Turner.

It would need to happen before the end of the season, with this season's salaries (I don't know if it can happen since GSW is in the finals and since Looney will be a FA next season I think he can't be traded anyways and since it involves draft picks a sign and trade is not possible, so this idea might be illegal)

[The-Power]

A 1 and done rookie (or similar aged rookie) just isn't going to get big minutes on a title contender outside of some extreme circumstances. Kunminga did enough as a rookie to reasonably expect him to step into a significant rotation role next season. (I'd expect that only 1 of Otto Porter or JTA will be back and Draymond could end up playing fewer minutes as he continues to age). Meanwhile resetting to a new rookie means bringing in a new guy who is unlikely to be rotation ready as a rookie.

Perhaps, but I'd wager that Keegan Murray is going to have a better season next year than Kuminga. It's not an indictment on Kuminga as Murray is still notably older but something to keep in mind.

[The-Power]

I think value is probably not far off but I don’t think GSW has any interest. Kuminga seems like a great fit and a great long term option to replace Draymond + unlimited upside. Why roll the dice they may find a fit that is as good?

I’ve posted before I think Poole+picks would be the option GSW offers for #4 (Ivey). They avoid having to pay him and Wiggins and get a replacement guard. Poole helps Brown install his offense and his range fits well next to Fox and Sabonis ( although his defense does not).

I'm generally not a fan of trading Poole for a draft pick but I'll admit it makes more sense than trading Kuminga for a draft pick.

It makes more sense from a purely financial perspective and if they are not fully committed to Poole long term. But there is an important reason why is makes much more sense to trade Kuminga: Poole helps them fight for a title. You can replace Kuminga with a Rookie and not lose anything because Kuminga hasn't been a relevant part of the rotation. You replace Poole with a Rookie and you become considerably worse and have to think about how to replace Poole's contributions. I just don't see that happening, it's the completely wrong direction.

[Ell Curry]

I think value is probably not far off but I don’t think GSW has any interest. Kuminga seems like a great fit and a great long term option to replace Draymond + unlimited upside. Why roll the dice they may find a fit that is as good?

I’ve posted before I think Poole+picks would be the option GSW offers for #4 (Ivey). They avoid having to pay him and Wiggins and get a replacement guard. Poole helps Brown install his offense and his range fits well next to Fox and Sabonis ( although his defense does not).

I could see something like Poole to Toronto, OG to Sacramento, #7 and Holmes to Golden State and they take Keegan Murray or Sochan. They save 4 years of money and get an upgrade at the 5 as well as another forward to help Curry and Klay as they age, Kings compete for the playoffs with a young forward they badly need to help Sabonis and Fox on D, Raptors get a serious scorer in Poole.

[Commodor]

I think value is probably not far off but I don’t think GSW has any interest. Kuminga seems like a great fit and a great long term option to replace Draymond + unlimited upside. Why roll the dice they may find a fit that is as good?

I’ve posted before I think Poole+picks would be the option GSW offers for #4 (Ivey). They avoid having to pay him and Wiggins and get a replacement guard. Poole helps Brown install his offense and his range fits well next to Fox and Sabonis ( although his defense does not).

I'm generally not a fan of trading Poole for a draft pick but I'll admit it makes more sense than trading Kuminga for a draft pick.

It makes more sense from a purely financial perspective and if they are not fully committed to Poole long term. But there is an important reason why is makes much more sense to trade Kuminga: Poole helps them fight for a title. You can replace Kuminga with a Rookie and not lose anything because Kuminga hasn't been a relevant part of the rotation. You replace Poole with a Rookie and you become considerably worse and have to think about how to replace Poole's contributions. I just don't see that happening, it's the completely wrong direction.

There’s no point in replacing Kuminga with a rookie period. There’s an extremely high likelihood that whoever they get will have a lower ceiling while also being older than Kuminga. Also drafting at 4 would increase the salary hit from Kuminga’s 7 slot. There’s no reason to do this at all.

[Commodor]

I think value is probably not far off but I don’t think GSW has any interest. Kuminga seems like a great fit and a great long term option to replace Draymond + unlimited upside. Why roll the dice they may find a fit that is as good?

I’ve posted before I think Poole+picks would be the option GSW offers for #4 (Ivey). They avoid having to pay him and Wiggins and get a replacement guard. Poole helps Brown install his offense and his range fits well next to Fox and Sabonis ( although his defense does not).

I could see something like Poole to Toronto, OG to Sacramento, #7 and Holmes to Golden State and they take Keegan Murray or Sochan. They save 4 years of money and get an upgrade at the 5 as well as another forward to help Curry and Klay as they age, Kings compete for the playoffs with a young forward they badly need to help Sabonis and Fox on D, Raptors get a serious scorer in Poole.

I would take OG over that Sac package 100/100 times. Also this adds $8m to GSW’s cap. The point is to not spend money by moving Poole for 4 (think you mixed that up with Portlands 7). If they are gonna take on money they’ll go OG and cut out Sac.

[Commodor]

I think value is probably not far off but I don’t think GSW has any interest. Kuminga seems like a great fit and a great long term option to replace Draymond + unlimited upside. Why roll the dice they may find a fit that is as good?

I’ve posted before I think Poole+picks would be the option GSW offers for #4 (Ivey). They avoid having to pay him and Wiggins and get a replacement guard. Poole helps Brown install his offense and his range fits well next to Fox and Sabonis ( although his defense does not).

Poole plus picks for #4? Nah.

Never said it would work, just that that’s what GSW would offer. Maybe it gets expanded with more teams but there’s no chance GSW would add Kuminga.

[Ell Curry]

I think value is probably not far off but I don’t think GSW has any interest. Kuminga seems like a great fit and a great long term option to replace Draymond + unlimited upside. Why roll the dice they may find a fit that is as good?

I’ve posted before I think Poole+picks would be the option GSW offers for #4 (Ivey). They avoid having to pay him and Wiggins and get a replacement guard. Poole helps Brown install his offense and his range fits well next to Fox and Sabonis ( although his defense does not).

I could see something like Poole to Toronto, OG to Sacramento, #7 and Holmes to Golden State and they take Keegan Murray or Sochan. They save 4 years of money and get an upgrade at the 5 as well as another forward to help Curry and Klay as they age, Kings compete for the playoffs with a young forward they badly need to help Sabonis and Fox on D, Raptors get a serious scorer in Poole.

I would take OG over that Sac package 100/100 times. Also this adds $8m to GSW’s cap. The point is to not spend money by moving Poole for 4 (think you mixed that up with Portlands 7). If they are gonna take on money they’ll go OG and cut out Sac.

You're right about the money, just wild to watch Timelord own the paint and I think Holmes' floater game means he could actually play effectively in GS' offense which isn't true of all 5s.

I sort of think Golden State just won't trust a rookie to come in and start, so if Poole gets moved and the OG rumours are true, maybe something based around Poole and Wiseman for OG happens, whether that's Wiseman to a 3rd team or the Raptors gambling on him as a backup center to Precious, though I don't see the Raptors going that small, which means Trent being in the deal, at which point you basically have to have Klay in the deal and it all falls apart.

But my guess is Golden State just pays Poole and counts on Moody and Kuminga being rotation guys who make up for the stars getting older and they pay the money. Maybe a smaller deal for a center or they find someone in free agency who wants to start for them or they end up moving a disgruntled Draymond for a Center-Wiggins-Klay-Poole-Curry lineup. If Golden State waits until after next playoffs, Draymond will be an expiring and they'd have 6 guys in the 1-4 core of Wiggins/Kuminga/Moody/Klay/Poole/Curry to play the 192 minutes without the old guys going much over 30 minutes or so, and with that much youth an expiring Draymond and a couple picks could get you a quality center to round things out. Or maybe Wiseman even comes good.

[LightTheBeam]

I think value is probably not far off but I don’t think GSW has any interest. Kuminga seems like a great fit and a great long term option to replace Draymond + unlimited upside. Why roll the dice they may find a fit that is as good?

I’ve posted before I think Poole+picks would be the option GSW offers for #4 (Ivey). They avoid having to pay him and Wiggins and get a replacement guard. Poole helps Brown install his offense and his range fits well next to Fox and Sabonis ( although his defense does not).

Poole plus picks for #4? Nah.

Never said it would work, just that that’s what GSW would offer. Maybe it gets expanded with more teams but there’s no chance GSW would add Kuminga.

I like Poole and would love to see him in an expanded role. Not even 23 yet had a really good season, and is still contributing nicely on the biggest stage. I think this requires GSW being able to find value for Wiseman IMO. I'm not sure any team would still value him at his salary, but if he could ever stay healthy it may pay off.

Kings out: Holmes, #4, Holiday, #37
Kings in: Poole, Moody, PJ Washington, Plumlee

Fox - Poole - Barnes - Washington - Sabonis
Mitchell - Davis/DDV - Moody - OPJ - Jones

Brown gets some of his guys, maybe gives MLE to Otto Porter Jr as well? Tries to bring that winning culture.

Warriors out: Poole, Moody, Wiseman
Warriors in: #4, Holiday, Holmes, #37

Curry - Klay - Wiggins - Dray - Looney
GPII - Ivey - Holiday - Kuminga - Holmes

Warriors continue to compete adding a few win now guys, while allowing Ivey/Kuminga to be the future.

Charlotte out: PJ, Mason
Charlotte in: Wiseman

Charlotte takes a risk with Wiseman. A big man with serious potential who can rebound, shoot, block shots. If he can stay healthy Charlotte elevates the team massively.

[Crazy-Canuck]

It takes time to adjust to the warriors system, even for veteran nba players. Warriors lack serious athleticism and potential 2 way ability, so cant see them wanting to move kuminga.

Poole likely gets traded before kuminga.

[DroseReturnChi]

I think value is probably not far off but I don’t think GSW has any interest. Kuminga seems like a great fit and a great long term option to replace Draymond + unlimited upside. Why roll the dice they may find a fit that is as good?

I’ve posted before I think Poole+picks would be the option GSW offers for #4 (Ivey). They avoid having to pay him and Wiggins and get a replacement guard. Poole helps Brown install his offense and his range fits well next to Fox and Sabonis ( although his defense does not).

Poole plus picks for #4? Nah.

still much better than kuminga that does literally nothing to the kings except give false hope is 10 yrs away from giannis another 10 yrs from a ring. instead of a crappy protection made to nets during durant deal a unprotected pick when steph retires might be a jackpot when gs becomes a 20 win team.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I think Ivey is a tier or a two above Kuminga as a prospect so Golden State would need to add quite a bit of value to make this work.

[Commodor]

Poole plus picks for #4? Nah.

Never said it would work, just that that’s what GSW would offer. Maybe it gets expanded with more teams but there’s no chance GSW would add Kuminga.

I like Poole and would love to see him in an expanded role. Not even 23 yet had a really good season, and is still contributing nicely on the biggest stage. I think this requires GSW being able to find value for Wiseman IMO. I'm not sure any team would still value him at his salary, but if he could ever stay healthy it may pay off.

Kings out: Holmes, #4, Holiday, #37
Kings in: Poole, Moody, PJ Washington, Plumlee

Fox - Poole - Barnes - Washington - Sabonis
Mitchell - Davis/DDV - Moody - OPJ - Jones

Brown gets some of his guys, maybe gives MLE to Otto Porter Jr as well? Tries to bring that winning culture.

Warriors out: Poole, Moody, Wiseman
Warriors in: #4, Holiday, Holmes, #37

Curry - Klay - Wiggins - Dray - Looney
GPII - Ivey - Holiday - Kuminga - Holmes

Warriors continue to compete adding a few win now guys, while allowing Ivey/Kuminga to be the future.

Charlotte out: PJ, Mason
Charlotte in: Wiseman

Charlotte takes a risk with Wiseman. A big man with serious potential who can rebound, shoot, block shots. If he can stay healthy Charlotte elevates the team massively.

Why force them Wismean aspect? Seems like his value is crazy low on the market and GSW has high expectations for him. Send Holmes to CHA as Looney has proven to be just as productive in GSW’s system, no need for Holmes. GSW doesn’t want or need Holiday or #37 either.

I don’t think Moody is untouchable but I don’t think GSW has interest in moving both Poole and Moody. That’s all of their long term SG depth.