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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#121 » by G R E Y » Sun Jun 12, 2022 7:33 pm

WORKOUT: Jordan Hall | Our List of Draft Prospects

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Strengths: A massive point-forward with polished skills and incredible court vision … Listed at 6’8 and has the ball skills and court vision of a point guard … Decent 3-point shooter who isn’t afraid to take shots off the dribble and knock them down … 36% perimeter shooter with over six attempts per game is outstanding for a player with his size … Uses his height to see the entire floor and dissect defenses effectively … Can go on a tear once he sees the ball go in once … Elite potential that you don’t often see late in the first round and into the second round … Should be able to contribute immediately as a playmaking wing … Aggressive with his back to the basket with the size to score on smaller defenders in the post … Matchup nightmare if you line him up in the backcourt and allow him to attack smaller guards … Has the handles to play the point and run offense through him in a second unit … Has a ton of zip on his passes … Smooth shooting motion at the line and on jumpers …

Weaknesses: Inefficient two-point scorer despite his significant size and skill advantage over most of his opponents … Played weaker competition throughout his career … Only averaged two free throw attempts per game, which you’d like to see increase from a player with such a high usage rate. Needs to get to the line more on his drives … Could improve as a scorer inside the arc with mid-range jumpers and finishes through contact around the rim … Doesn’t have elite speed or athleticism, but makes up for it with instincts and a high basketball IQ … Not a defensive liability, but if he improves his lateral quickness and put on some muscle, he could become a solid versatile defender. He just isn’t there yet from a quickness and strength perspective …

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We seem to like these forward-built combo guards/point-forwards. Interesting.
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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#122 » by Roddy B for 3 » Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:01 pm

Would Spurs fans be interested in something around #4 for #9 + Potel
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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#123 » by imagump1313 » Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:05 pm

Roddy B for 3 wrote:Would Spurs fans be interested in something around #4 for #9 + Potel


I don't think that helps us at all at the cost of Poeltl, unless we are trading Murray also and completely starting over again.
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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#124 » by Roddy B for 3 » Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:08 pm

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Roddy B for 3 wrote:Would Spurs fans be interested in something around #4 for #9 + Potel


I don't think that helps us at all at the cost of Poeltl, unless we are trading Murray also and completely starting over again.


Would San Antonio be interested in moving up? What would they be looking to offer?
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Post#125 » by Wizop » Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:33 pm

Roddy B for 3 wrote:Would Spurs fans be interested in something around #4 for #9 + Potel


Pacers have no need for Potel. what we want are more picks and the Spurs have more than they want to use this year. my best guess is the 4 and 9 will stay in place but the 20 or 25 will go to the Pacers in exchange for a 2023 first (Pacers or Cavs).
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Post#126 » by imagump1313 » Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:01 pm

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Roddy B for 3 wrote:Would Spurs fans be interested in something around #4 for #9 + Potel


I don't think that helps us at all at the cost of Poeltl, unless we are trading Murray also and completely starting over again.


Would San Antonio be interested in moving up? What would they be looking to offer?


I honestly don't think we have enough to offer anyone that we would be willing to part with to get as high as #4.

I would think we would be willing to package at least 2 of our 4 picks for something, or add on a sign and trade with Lonnie Walker, but that's not getting us anywhere near 4.

Poeltl is a bargain for us right now and everyone comes asking for him so that should tell you something. I think the only way we move Poeltl is if it makes some high end FA signing or trade work.
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Post#127 » by kasrok » Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:13 pm

Roddy B for 3 wrote:Would Spurs fans be interested in something around #4 for #9 + Potel


I wouldn't mind that if we were able to sign Ayton but that looks like it's going to be a sign and trade that will probably have to include Poeltl +.

But for hypothetical sake, we sign away Ayton without parting with Jakob and had the potential to pair him with Ivey by moving up to the 4 I would do that. Hopefully Murray would be our 3rd best player. I assume we would lose Johnson. But still have Vassell and Primo for a really solid young core. It's a big swing but it either works decently or Ivey is a bust and Ayton can't be that guy and then we tank for hopefully a Robinson/Duncan type of #1 pick in like 5-7 years. Lets roll the dice!
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Post#128 » by G R E Y » Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:49 pm

Roddy B for 3 wrote:Would Spurs fans be interested in something around #4 for #9 + Potel

Well Sabonis played a 80/20 C/PF split and they have Holmes as a backup C. So unless they want to move Sabonis to full time PF and get Jakob at the C, not sure how it makes sense for them as they're likely looking to shore up the 4.

For us, if it's for Ivey I wouldn't do it. IF Banchero somehow slipped to #4, say because Rockets go with Ivey to pair with Green rather than plug an already congested front court, if Sacramento is looking for a PF then one just fell in their lap. If they want Sabonis at 4 and Jakob at 5, we get Banchero which would be amazing but would leave us with a gaping hole at 5.

Jakob is not only a huge bargain at $9M he's one of the best defensive Cs in the game. He will surely get a raise averaging a near double double with 13.5/9.3 on crazy low usage - he ranked tenth as a starter! Granted that's with Derrick White and Thad Young on the roster, so eighth after they were traded. He changed agents as well so maybe we'd rather pay someone else bigger money. But we better have a plan in place, I mean one that's a done deal not one that a player can back out of after a verbal agreement, to have a C because after him it's Collins and Jock.

So IF the #4 is Banchero, I think we'd be tempted. Jakob was involved in a lot of trade whispers but teams didn't meet our price. He'll not come at a bargain. There are some whispers of a Jakob for OG foundation of a trade, for instance. Gump's and wizop's ideas about future assets as in 2023 first rounders and a young quality player who could help immediately makes sense.

What's interesting is that we're getting rumours that we want to move up in the draft but have really yet to interview or workout many players above us. Weird. Lots of smoke with just over a week left in the draft!
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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#129 » by mzfk69 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:17 pm

G R E Y wrote:You know who's showing high BBIQ? Liddel. We haven't met with him - yet - but I hope we do. 6'7", 6'11" wingpsan, big booty body, and love love LOVE his demeanour, high motor, and how driven and personable he is. Positional angles on D are a thing of beauty, just won't allow an easy blow by with big body, good footwork and mobile hips. Beast of a blocker. Good body and arm control, always has them active and out.

On O, loves contact, opponents just bounce off of him lol, improved 3, and a great passer. Creates contact, absorbs hits, reads defenses well, and times good passes out of contests or doubles well. Can pass from the post or at the top of the key so lots of movement and shot creation possibilities. Like Griffin has some down-to-up motion on his C&S release but quicker and smoother. Power base from his legs and at times has that extra hop but still more compact and no weird wide base of feet like Griffin has. Handles and shot mechanics need work. More bull physicality, not twitchy; can look clunky trying to create his own shot facing opponents. Lots of upside and versatility on both ends here. A bit older at 21.5 so that accounts for maturity, but for context at that age he'd be the second or third youngest on our team behind Primo and Devin.





I'm ok with a guy not being an athletic jump out of the gym freak so long as he's durable, physical, smart, and has that certain sort of inner drive, a relentlessness you can't teach but can help hone and unleash. That said, we don't want an athletic brick on O either.

I'm liking Jake LaRavia the more I see and read up on him...

Still WEIRD that we have neither interviewed nor worked out Mathurin... especially given our supposed love for him last season. Maybe we did all the stealth scouting last season and we know what we need to.

Yeah I'm all over the place in this draft.

I pray we get just who we want lol

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Post#130 » by G R E Y » Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:18 pm

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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#131 » by kasrok » Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:44 pm

Well i'm happy we are finally working out guys that are projected around our pick with A.J. Griffin and Shadeon Sharpe. I don't want either of the two but I would rather have us draft the guy who is widely projected at or around the 9 spot and them be a bust than take a guy no one was expecting or assuming would go that early only to be put overseas and never make our lineups.

I love our international scouting but sometimes we reach a little too hard.
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Post#132 » by imagump1313 » Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:59 am

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Post#133 » by G R E Y » Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:10 am

imagump1313 wrote:Ruh Roh Grey!!

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Tis the season for parsing through words too closely. Notice the wording: solid feedback doesn't necessarily mean "We love you." I hope it doesn't lol But also he focuses on what he can show? We're not the Shaedon Sharpe platform. I think it's due diligence, be it for us or for another team that we'll be dealing with. He actually hasn't been impressing in workouts from what I've been able to glean. Trying to keep that POV lol

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What. In. The. World?! Either he really doesn't want to play there or isn't careful with his words or this interview is very revealing. Or something in between. Wow. Just wow...

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Post#134 » by Wizop » Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:32 pm

G R E Y wrote:What. In. The. World?! Either he really doesn't want to play there or isn't careful with his words or this interview is very revealing. Or something in between. Wow.


I think Sharpe just hopes to be picked sooner

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Post#135 » by G R E Y » Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:29 am

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G R E Y wrote:What. In. The. World?! Either he really doesn't want to play there or isn't careful with his words or this interview is very revealing. Or something in between. Wow.


I think Sharpe just hopes to be picked sooner

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Sooner than 4th? This is from the Sacramento workout and interview.

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I see the tweet in the post you responded to has been deleted. The quote of note was, "...give them their shine..." when he passes to team mates. Oof.
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Post#136 » by Wizop » Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:14 am

G R E Y wrote:Sooner than 4th? This is from the Sacramento workout and interview. .


Should have read with more care. I thought he was speaking of being picked 9th.

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Post#137 » by G R E Y » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:27 pm

The first SECOND workout we have heard about:

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Post#138 » by G R E Y » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:55 pm

WORKOUT: Jalen Duren | Our List of Draft Prospects

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Jalen Duren is a big, powerful center who was pretty much born with an NBA center’s frame.

Since he was born in 2003 Jalen is eligible for the 2022 NBA Draft and projects as a likely lottery pick with top 6 potential. He doesn’t have the expansive offensive game of a player like Chet but then again, he’s 1.5 years younger than Chet and has plenty of time to develop his skill-set.

Jalen is a physically imposing force who is too much to handle for most opposing bigs. He’s a man among boys. He dunks everything around the rim and is an intimidator on both ends of the floor. He’s got extremely long arms and big hands, which help him control lob passes and offensive rebounds with ease.

There might not be a better rebounder in college basketball and this is a skill that will translate to the highest level of play.

Protecting the rim is one of his biggest strengths, thanks again to his great length and powerful build. He’s a quick leaper and gets high above the rim with ease and also knows how to keep his feet and jump last on defense. Even when he doesn’t get the block he alters lots of shots in the lane and is a big presence around the basket, where his length is an X factor for him.

He’s not the most flashy player and is somewhat of a throwback, old-school big who scores in the post, on put-backs, alley-oops and on offensive rebounds. He’s got the makings of a mid range game and a shot that will stretch out towards the 3pt line in time but for now he’s mostly a mid range and in player. His shooting form is solid and there’s a lot of promise/upside in this part of his game.

His rebounding and interior defense give him a ton of value, even if they’re not the most sexy skills. With a massive 7-5 wingspan and a rock solid frame he’s got all the tools to be a big time NBA center.

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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#139 » by G R E Y » Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:21 pm

Rumours abound:

What has Jeremy Sochan continuing to rise up your mock draft to No. 9?

The San Antonio Spurs have a lot of young pieces on the perimeter, but I think they need to address their frontcourt. I've heard they do have interest in Sochan. I also heard earlier today that the Spurs could be a team on the hunt to move up, with Keegan Murray being their likely target.

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/2022-nba-draft-qa-with-matt-babcock-on-notable-risers-latest-intel-chet-holmgren-jabari-smith-spurs-keegan-murray-ousmane-dieng-cavaliers

KM: “No, I have no further workouts planned but I’ve pretty much met with, or at least talked to pretty much all the teams in the lottery.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/lottery-bound-keegan-murray-wasnt-recruited-after-high-school-ive-been-slighted-my-whole-life-130003516.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKYqwyOl4cHXKHAp0K1lWO26qXwltQGfTjxnxBtO7cMh3VO-WWWqOaKB5E0Y0jI6TOHRaPhR-GiIH_gAXP5mGeUAWkqLatbO43QA8s1S0mvrjlS25oFigP6PxZNC45u0bLqTmsPHZbqVx0WFB9PCE5uuPcrEb0MybJOL0aVKadBa

So there's reported interest in Murray now, too. All the late draft workouts are perhaps making more sense if we're going to try to move up and need to include higher picks to do so.

The second quote implies we may have at least spoken to Keegan, but the Kings have already dined him and everything.

Lots of moving parts right now.

We'll know soon!
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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#140 » by G R E Y » Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:42 pm

WORKOUT: Blake Wesley | Our List of Draft Prospects

Blake Wesley is a star in the making. He wasn’t the most heralded recruit coming out of high school but is having a big impact at Notre Dame and looking the part of a future NBA draft pick with lottery potential.

Wesley has great size and a NBA worthy frame. He’s agile, quick and has the ability to penetrate into the lane, using his great burst and solid ball handling abilities. He’s got a nice in-between game and nice touch in the lane and from mid range.

Wesley has room for improvement as a playmaker/facilitator. Right now he’s wired to score the ball – and does so at a high level. He also has a lot of work to do as a shooter and it is likely going to take him a few years before he becomes much of a 3pt threat the next level.

Although his game is raw and unrefined it’s incredibly rare to find an athlete of his caliber who has the ability to take over a game with his blow-by speed and ability to penetrate. Even by NBA standards he’s an elite athlete.

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