Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect

[DocRI]

Theres a small amount of smoke that OKC could take one of Sharpe or Ivey. If that causes one of the bigs to fall maybe Kings would drop a spot?

Something around Grant and #5 for #4

Two thoughts off that OKC / Sharpe rumor —

1) The easy passive route — if OKC is sold on Sharpe and HOU is truly sold on Ivey, it’s a dream come true for us. We sit tight at #5, let the guards go 2-3, and take whoever the Kings don’t between Chet and Paolo.

2) The active route — if Weaver is sold on A guy who’s on the board at #2, we offer to lower the protections on the pick we owe OKC to swap spots. They still get Sharpe at #5, so it’s win-win for them, and we get OUR guy (whomever Weaver deems that may be). We’re the only team that can offer OKC the chance to improve that future pick, so it’s an interesting card to play. The question is, what’s fair? I don’t think there’s any way we unprotect it, and even top 4 seems like a stretch, but we gotta make it worth their while. Right now the protections are 18-18-13-11-9; would 10-10-8-8-4 get it done? Keep in mind, OKC is still getting the guy they want in Sharpe, so improving the pick we send them and sending it sooner than later is found money for them.


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I think we would have to change the protections to at least something like top 7, maybe even just straight up top 4 protected using the Trae/Luka swap as a measuring stick

You’re right. Using the Luka/Trae and Fultz/Tatum deals as a barometer, I think it would need to be top 4 protection on the pick. That would make the the future pick valuable enough for OKC to consider the swap. So the question is, is there anyone at #2 who Weaver loves enough to do that? Impossible to know, but fun to speculate!


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[buzzkilloton]

I thought about trading a pick in that hypothetical deal but I thought of two things.

1. Dont we owe our pick to Houston in the future so we cant trade any future 1st or something like that?

2. More importantly next years class is shaping up to be a special one. Its going to have not just a top end but its looking to be deep. I'm looking to add picks next year not trade them. I was thinking it would take top 4 protected as well. Its just not worth it unless it was gonna be like top 15 protected with what im seeing being there next year.

[MotownMadness]

I thought about trading a pick in that hypothetical deal but I thought of two things.

1. Dont we owe our pick to Houston in the future so we cant trade any future 1st or something like that?

2. More importantly next years class is shaping up to be a special one. Its going to have not just a top end but its looking to be deep. I'm looking to add picks next year and trade them.

OKC owns it now so im sure its no problem for us to tinker with protections on it.

[coolness]

1. Dont we owe our pick to Houston in the future so we cant trade any future 1st or something like that?

To OKC. Solid protections, but a 1st round contract is always good. If 1st's are used on "high-floor" players even better. If your 15th pick becomes your 8th man, that is solid.

[buzzkilloton]

I thought about trading a pick in that hypothetical deal but I thought of two things.

1. Dont we owe our pick to Houston in the future so we cant trade any future 1st or something like that?

2. More importantly next years class is shaping up to be a special one. Its going to have not just a top end but its looking to be deep. I'm looking to add picks next year and trade them.

OKC owns it now so im sure its no problem for us to tinker with protections on it.

Ok I get it. Looks like the pick is currently top 14 protected only if I'm reading it correct for next years draft. Yeah there going to want top 4 protection in that kind of deal.

[The Moose]

I thought about trading a pick in that hypothetical deal but I thought of two things.

1. Dont we owe our pick to Houston in the future so we cant trade any future 1st or something like that?

2. More importantly next years class is shaping up to be a special one. Its going to have not just a top end but its looking to be deep. I'm looking to add picks next year not trade them. I was thinking it would take top 4 protected as well. Its just not worth it unless it was gonna be like top 15 protected with what im seeing being there next year.

Houston traded it to OKC as part of the Sengun trade last year on draft night

Next years class definitely looks strong, I think how low I would comfortably set the protections depends on what Weavers plans are for this season. If he wanted to get one of the top 3 guys + spend on FA and go hard for the play in, I could see him lowering it to top 4 protected and be willing to give up a pick in the 10-14 range

[The Moose]

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Duren is 1-1.5 yrs younger than everybody on the list, he's actually younger than Sharpe. Will still be 18yrs old on opening night

Would literally be a perfect big for Cade, though 5 might be a little rich for a center who still is very raw in terms of creating offense. I'd easily take him over someone like Mathurin though

my tiers for pick 5 for us would probably be something like

t1: Dyson, Ivey
t2: Duren, Sharpe

t3: Murray, Mathurin

[mattao313]

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Duren is 1-1.5 yrs younger than everybody on the list, he's actually younger than Sharpe. Will still be 18yrs old on opening night

Would literally be a perfect big for Cade, though 5 might be a little rich for a center who still is very raw in terms of creating offense. I'd easily take him over someone like Mathurin though

my tiers for pick 5 for us would probably be something like

t1: Dyson, Ivey
t2: Duren, Sharpe

t3: Murray, Mathurin

Duren is overrated I take mark Williams over him easily.

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[The Moose]

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Duren is 1-1.5 yrs younger than everybody on the list, he's actually younger than Sharpe. Will still be 18yrs old on opening night

Would literally be a perfect big for Cade, though 5 might be a little rich for a center who still is very raw in terms of creating offense. I'd easily take him over someone like Mathurin though

my tiers for pick 5 for us would probably be something like

t1: Dyson, Ivey
t2: Duren, Sharpe

t3: Murray, Mathurin

Duren is overrated I take mark Williams over him easily.

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Duren clears him pretty easily as a prospect imo. I have it as pretty much the opposite, M Williams has become vastly overrated.

They are different archetypes anyway. Williams is in the Mitchell Robinson, Gobert mold imo. No ball skills, uncomfortable as a passer and handler, not someone you can really involve offensively unless its a dump off or lob. Drop defenders who are too tall/big to comfortably move their feet in space. Not great awareness in terms of positioning.
I prefer bigs like Robert Williams and Bam who have shown they can be connective passers on offense, play in the short roll, make reads etc and then on defense move their feet out to the perimeter

Duren couldn't have played in much worse of situation than he did last year but he is still ahead of Williams in basically every ancillary skill and is the more versatile defender while being 2 years younger.

[bstein14]

Duren has one of the highest upsides in the draft for sure..... It's sad he didn't do the predraft combine because we didn't get measurements on him. He's athletically dominant like Drummond its just a matter of whether or not he puts it all together skill wise.

Williams measured in at a 9'9" standing reach which is second best ever measured at the draft combine behind only Tacko Fall... ahead of Rudy Gobert who had an impressive 9'7" standing reach. Williams also a solid prospect, and this would for sure have been a great draft to find a late lottery pick to get one of those guys to play C with Stewart.

[Jsindto]

If Weaver doesn't have interest in Ayton/isn't able to land him, I definitely would be good with Duren if they get a 2nd pick around #10. If they somehow did get #7, there would likely be a few wing players I'd hope they prioritize over him. Unless they are way out on Sharpe and Daniels and Griffin, and Mathurin goes #6. Then I could see Duren at #7.

[mattao313]

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Duren is 1-1.5 yrs younger than everybody on the list, he's actually younger than Sharpe. Will still be 18yrs old on opening night

Would literally be a perfect big for Cade, though 5 might be a little rich for a center who still is very raw in terms of creating offense. I'd easily take him over someone like Mathurin though

my tiers for pick 5 for us would probably be something like

t1: Dyson, Ivey
t2: Duren, Sharpe

t3: Murray, Mathurin

Duren is overrated I take mark Williams over him easily.

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Duren clears him pretty easily as a prospect imo. I have it as pretty much the opposite, M Williams has become vastly overrated.

They are different archetypes anyway. Williams is in the Mitchell Robinson, Gobert mold imo. No ball skills, uncomfortable as a passer and handler, not someone you can really involve offensively unless its a dump off or lob. Drop defenders who are too tall/big to comfortably move their feet in space. Not great awareness in terms of positioning.
I prefer bigs like Robert Williams and Bam who have shown they can be connective passers on offense, play in the short roll, make reads etc and then on defense move their feet out to the perimeter

Duren couldn't have played in much worse of situation than he did last year but he is still ahead of Williams in basically every ancillary skill and is the more versatile defender while being 2 years younger.

I don't see the high up side, duren looks like your typical rim runner just like Williams. I don't see anything in his game that makes me think he'll be anything more then a garbage man lob threat. He doesn't even look all that good on switches either I could understand the allure if he could consistently switch onto guards. Imo his age means little when he's so limited skill set wise.

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[A_dub06]

Am I remembering incorrectly but wasn’t shadow supposed to work out for us already? Has it happened and no reports came out or did we just send reps to one of his 1-0 workouts to evaluate? I can’t find anything anywhere other than Sharpe doing a workout in front of several teams and Charlotte had him do a workout there

[Jsindto]

Am I remembering incorrectly but wasn’t shadow supposed to work out for us already? Has it happened and no reports came out or did we just send reps to one of his 1-0 workouts to evaluate? I can’t find anything anywhere other than Sharpe doing a workout in front of several teams and Charlotte had him do a workout there

See post #2832 on the prior page.

[buzzkilloton]

Am I remembering incorrectly but wasn’t shadow supposed to work out for us already? Has it happened and no reports came out or did we just send reps to one of his 1-0 workouts to evaluate? I can’t find anything anywhere other than Sharpe doing a workout in front of several teams and Charlotte had him do a workout there

Edwards replied to some questions about him on todays article in the comments. Edwards agrees with the consensus its either Ivey or Murray most likely. If Weaver likes Sharpe I think he keeps that to himself for the most part though so im hoping thats happening.



"Has there been any insight as to how Shaedon Sharpe's workout went? Or can we assume he's kind of falling out of the race as more and more mocks project him dropping.

@Vinayak S. His was fine. I heard Mathurin was more impressive. Doesn't mean Detroit doesn't like Sharpe or won't take Sharpe.

I also get the sense Sharpe is dropping a bit."


"No mention of Sharpe…Is Troy not high on him?

James L. Edwards III

STAFF

4h ago

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@Jason D. Detroit likes him. I get the sense they like these other guys more at 5."

[MotownMadness]

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[DBC10]

Am I remembering incorrectly but wasn’t shadow supposed to work out for us already? Has it happened and no reports came out or did we just send reps to one of his 1-0 workouts to evaluate? I can’t find anything anywhere other than Sharpe doing a workout in front of several teams and Charlotte had him do a workout there

Edwards replied to some questions about him on todays article in the comments. Edwards agrees with the consensus its either Ivey or Murray most likely. If Weaver likes Sharpe I think he keeps that to himself for the most part though so im hoping thats happening.



"Has there been any insight as to how Shaedon Sharpe's workout went? Or can we assume he's kind of falling out of the race as more and more mocks project him dropping.

@Vinayak S. His was fine. I heard Mathurin was more impressive. Doesn't mean Detroit doesn't like Sharpe or won't take Sharpe.

I also get the sense Sharpe is dropping a bit."


"No mention of Sharpe…Is Troy not high on him?

James L. Edwards III

STAFF

4h ago

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@Jason D. Detroit likes him. I get the sense they like these other guys more at 5."

This is good to hear. I actually do like Mathurin for his shooting ability and room to grow other parts of his arsenal as well

[zeebneeb]

Am I remembering incorrectly but wasn’t shadow supposed to work out for us already? Has it happened and no reports came out or did we just send reps to one of his 1-0 workouts to evaluate? I can’t find anything anywhere other than Sharpe doing a workout in front of several teams and Charlotte had him do a workout there

Edwards replied to some questions about him on todays article in the comments. Edwards agrees with the consensus its either Ivey or Murray most likely. If Weaver likes Sharpe I think he keeps that to himself for the most part though so im hoping thats happening.



"Has there been any insight as to how Shaedon Sharpe's workout went? Or can we assume he's kind of falling out of the race as more and more mocks project him dropping.

@Vinayak S. His was fine. I heard Mathurin was more impressive. Doesn't mean Detroit doesn't like Sharpe or won't take Sharpe.

I also get the sense Sharpe is dropping a bit."


"No mention of Sharpe…Is Troy not high on him?

James L. Edwards III

STAFF

4h ago

5 likes

@Jason D. Detroit likes him. I get the sense they like these other guys more at 5."

This is good to hear. I actually do like Mathurin for his shooting ability and room to grow other parts of his arsenal as well

Mathurin would be an amazing fit next to Cade, no question. He is game ready, and, get this, be a lob threat at the 2 spot next to Cade.

If a guard is selected, I honestly don't think people are grasping just how huge of an upgrade its going to be over Corey Joseph. That could be a 10 game bump just on that new player alone, especially if it's Mathurin. Kid is a high flyer, big(6'6 200lbs)and three point bomber.

A guard rotation of Cade, Mathurin, and Hayes has awesome potential. I'm just hoping that one of two things happen to complement that guard pick;

Grant is moved in a S&T for Ayton, or moved for hopefully a pick in where the can land a big.

The process is going to start real soon, so drama is coming people.

[edmunder_prc]

Duren has one of the highest upsides in the draft for sure..... It's sad he didn't do the predraft combine because we didn't get measurements on him. He's athletically dominant like Drummond its just a matter of whether or not he puts it all together skill wise.

Williams measured in at a 9'9" standing reach which is second best ever measured at the draft combine behind only Tacko Fall... ahead of Rudy Gobert who had an impressive 9'7" standing reach. Williams also a solid prospect, and this would for sure have been a great draft to find a late lottery pick to get one of those guys to play C with Stewart.

I love Williams and hope that Grant gets traded and turns into Mark Williams.

Guy is like Gobert, but slightly quicker and with better touch around the rim. Gobert's issue is a bit like Ayton's, he doesnt punish other teams when they play small. In game 3 of the Finals the Warriors went small and Al Horford and Time Lord went after GSW. Another bonus is he'd be making 3-4 million a year if we got him around pick 10 instead of 40 million a year for Gobert.

[Rodman]

Whoever the Pistons draft will have the role of the second banana. Cade is the go to guy and that takes a lot of pressure off of who's drafted. Any number of guys can look good playing second fiddle to Cade. My pic if he's available is.Shaedon Sharpe. I compare him to a young Bradley Beal. Of course everything depends on the workout. With a good workout I have no doubt that Weaver would swing for the fences and not be afraid to draft Sharpe without any college tape