Bradley Beal - Part IV

[Dat2U]

If Beal wants a preferred destination like Boston, I'd ask him to be open to a few alternatives if he wants to be moved, such as Philly, Golden State, Atlanta, Portland etc and open up the bidding amongst those group of teams. At least get the teams bidding against each other to push up value. You don't need 5 good offers, just one. Also, does Philly really need Maxey when Harden & Beal is on the floor? Or does Portland really need Simons if the backcourt is Lillard & Beal? I think the idea that we have to take bad contracts/filler and a couple of late picks for Beal is incorrect.

[trast66]

If Beal wants a preferred destination like Boston, I'd ask him to be open to a few alternatives if he wants to be moved, such as Philly, Golden State, Atlanta, Portland etc and open up the bidding amongst those group of teams. At least get the teams bidding against each other to push up value. You don't need 5 good offers, just one. Also, does Philly really need Maxey when Harden & Beal is on the floor? Or does Portland really need Simons if the backcourt is Lillard & Beal? I think the idea that we have to take bad contracts/filler and a couple of late picks for Beal is incorrect.

I do think the loser of finals will come hard for Brad. I don’t see what Boston has to give up except for Derek White and Robert Williams. Golden State has Moody, Kuminga, Wiseman, we should get all of them for Brad. Philly would need to offer Maxey and Thybulle but I think Morey wants a wing, not Brad.

Brad likes it here, only places I think he would go are Boston (Tatum), Lakers, Clippers, or Golden State.

[nate33]

If Beal wants a preferred destination like Boston, I'd ask him to be open to a few alternatives if he wants to be moved, such as Philly, Golden State, Atlanta, Portland etc and open up the bidding amongst those group of teams. At least get the teams bidding against each other to push up value. You don't need 5 good offers, just one. Also, does Philly really need Maxey when Harden & Beal is on the floor? Or does Portland really need Simons if the backcourt is Lillard & Beal? I think the idea that we have to take bad contracts/filler and a couple of late picks for Beal is incorrect.

I do think the loser of finals will come hard for Brad. I don’t see what Boston has to give up except for Derek White and Robert Williams. Golden State has Moody, Kuminga, Wiseman, we should get all of them for Brad. Philly would need to offer Maxey and Thybulle but I think Morey wants a wing, not Brad.

Brad likes it here, only places I think he would go are Boston (Tatum), Lakers, Clippers, or Golden State.

I don't see a way for Golden State to bid for Beal. Their luxtax situation is out of control. They only way they could make it work would be to send back Klay, Draymond or Wiggins; and if that happened, the trade wouldn't improve their team that much and they would be sacrificing their assets for nothing.

The Lakers can only offer Westbrook's expiring plus their 2027 pick and 2029 pick. That's an intriguing offer when you factor that Lebron will be gone and AD will probably be hurt. Those picks, if unprotected, could be lotto picks. The problem is, they are 5 and 7 years into the future and I doubt Sheppard has a time horizon that long. But nevertheless, that might actually be the best offer we get. The good news is that offer is likely to remain on the table up until the Trade Deadline this year. If we foolishly extend Beal on a full supermax, this might be our out.

I think the only real suitors for an offseason trade are Boston, Dallas and Philly. In all cases, we'd be getting back one good starter on a fair contract (White, Brunson, Maxey) plus filler and late picks several years down the road. And in all 3 cases, I really don't think the other teams consider a trade unless Beal opts in on his final year at $36M so the trade can be managed with less filler going out.

[gambitx777]

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It would be a difficult trade to pull off because base year compensation would apply to Brunson's trade value when making the sign and trade. Basically, only half of Brunson's new salary would be factored on Dallas' end of the transaction. So if Brunson signs a deal starting at $20M, it would only count for $10M in outgoing salary for Dallas, which means they would have to send out a bunch of other contracts to get up to a high enough salary to match Beal's incoming salary.

Also, Dallas' 2023 pick is already owed to NY,** so they can't trade any FRP's until 2025.

The simplest deal I can come up with is:
Dallas trades:
Brunson (S&T starting at $20M)
Hardaway
2025 FRP
2027 FRP

Washington trades:
Beal (opts in for his final year at $36M)

It feels a little light from our perspective. Hardaway's contract is pretty bad. And those FRP's are likely to be in the late 20's.

Another possibility is:
Dallas trades:
Brunson (S&T starting at $20M)
Dwight Powell (expiring)
Boban (expiring)
Sterling Brown (expiring)
Josh Green
2025 FRP
2027 FRP

Washington trades:
Beal (opts in for his final year at $36M)
Isaiah Todd

That looks a little better. We could cut Boban and Brown to make roster room for our draft picks. Dallas would pay a pretty brutal luxury tax though.

That's an interesting report. I don't know what Luka would think of that, tqbh. I think Luka thinks of Brunson as one of his guys, but who knows. :ascii-shrug:

If I'm not screwing up the numbers (always possible folks, so forgive me if I have), just on the players involved in the trade side of things, with Brunson starting at $20m and no additional outgoing Wizard's players apart from Beal (opted in) I make it that Dallas would have to ship a number strictly between $19.02m and $25.6m in additional salary to the Wizards. There's a lot of flexibility there.

fwiw, if Brunson starts at $26m or $30.5m (he has to have some motivation) then the numbers are $16.02m and $19.6m$, or $13.77m and $15.1m, respectively. Still enough for Powell and Green in all cases.

Powell: $11.08m, Boban: $3.5m, Josh Green: $3.1m, Sterling Brown: $3m, Chriss: $2.2m, Frank: $2m
(also THJ: $19.6m, Dinwiddie: $19.5m, Bertans: $16m - I'm assuming DFS, Maxi Kleber and Reggie Bullock are off the table).

** Note, that 2023 Dallas FRP is conditional, so any picks they trade from 2025 onwards have to be conditional on the conveyance clauses of that pick.

The protection is, I believe, protected top 10 in 2023-25, else 2025 second round pick. So it's it very likely to convey in 2023.

However, a team trading for Dallas's 2025 FRP would (assuming they want an honest to god FRP and not some conversion to SRPs) actually be trading for that pick if the 2023 pick conveys, or else the Dallas 2026 FRP if the Dallas 2023 fails to convey, but the Dallas 2024 does, or else the Dallas 2027 FRP if neither Dallas 2023 nor Dallas 2024 FRP conveys but Dallas 2025 FRP does convey, or the Dallas 2028 FRP if none of Dallas 2023, 2024 and 2025 convey.

And I think that means that Dallas can't trade their 2027 FRP pick in an analogous way right now, because in the worst of all possible worlds that ends up actually being a 2030 pick, and so more than seven years away. So they would have to have it converting to a SRP if it hasn't conveyed by 2029 or whatever.

Can we adress the egg plant in the room here. Why on earth would Beal want to play with Spencer and bertans again. Even with Luka there. I'm assuming there is plenty of bad blood there.

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[lastemp3ror]

It would be a difficult trade to pull off because base year compensation would apply to Brunson's trade value when making the sign and trade. Basically, only half of Brunson's new salary would be factored on Dallas' end of the transaction. So if Brunson signs a deal starting at $20M, it would only count for $10M in outgoing salary for Dallas, which means they would have to send out a bunch of other contracts to get up to a high enough salary to match Beal's incoming salary.

Also, Dallas' 2023 pick is already owed to NY,** so they can't trade any FRP's until 2025.

The simplest deal I can come up with is:
Dallas trades:
Brunson (S&T starting at $20M)
Hardaway
2025 FRP
2027 FRP

Washington trades:
Beal (opts in for his final year at $36M)

It feels a little light from our perspective. Hardaway's contract is pretty bad. And those FRP's are likely to be in the late 20's.

Another possibility is:
Dallas trades:
Brunson (S&T starting at $20M)
Dwight Powell (expiring)
Boban (expiring)
Sterling Brown (expiring)
Josh Green
2025 FRP
2027 FRP

Washington trades:
Beal (opts in for his final year at $36M)
Isaiah Todd

That looks a little better. We could cut Boban and Brown to make roster room for our draft picks. Dallas would pay a pretty brutal luxury tax though.

That's an interesting report. I don't know what Luka would think of that, tqbh. I think Luka thinks of Brunson as one of his guys, but who knows. :ascii-shrug:

If I'm not screwing up the numbers (always possible folks, so forgive me if I have), just on the players involved in the trade side of things, with Brunson starting at $20m and no additional outgoing Wizard's players apart from Beal (opted in) I make it that Dallas would have to ship a number strictly between $19.02m and $25.6m in additional salary to the Wizards. There's a lot of flexibility there.

fwiw, if Brunson starts at $26m or $30.5m (he has to have some motivation) then the numbers are $16.02m and $19.6m$, or $13.77m and $15.1m, respectively. Still enough for Powell and Green in all cases.

Powell: $11.08m, Boban: $3.5m, Josh Green: $3.1m, Sterling Brown: $3m, Chriss: $2.2m, Frank: $2m
(also THJ: $19.6m, Dinwiddie: $19.5m, Bertans: $16m - I'm assuming DFS, Maxi Kleber and Reggie Bullock are off the table).

** Note, that 2023 Dallas FRP is conditional, so any picks they trade from 2025 onwards have to be conditional on the conveyance clauses of that pick.

The protection is, I believe, protected top 10 in 2023-25, else 2025 second round pick. So it's it very likely to convey in 2023.

However, a team trading for Dallas's 2025 FRP would (assuming they want an honest to god FRP and not some conversion to SRPs) actually be trading for that pick if the 2023 pick conveys, or else the Dallas 2026 FRP if the Dallas 2023 fails to convey, but the Dallas 2024 does, or else the Dallas 2027 FRP if neither Dallas 2023 nor Dallas 2024 FRP conveys but Dallas 2025 FRP does convey, or the Dallas 2028 FRP if none of Dallas 2023, 2024 and 2025 convey.

And I think that means that Dallas can't trade their 2027 FRP pick in an analogous way right now, because in the worst of all possible worlds that ends up actually being a 2030 pick, and so more than seven years away. So they would have to have it converting to a SRP if it hasn't conveyed by 2029 or whatever.

Can we adress the egg plant in the room here. Why on earth would Beal want to play with Spencer and bertans again. Even with Luka there. I'm assuming there is plenty of bad blood there.

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Easy. Because both Dinwiddie and Bertans is coming back to DC in the trade deal! BOOM!

[doclinkin]

Easy. Because both Dinwiddie and Bertans is coming back to DC in the trade deal! BOOM!

Oh sure, and Dinwiddie can join the all 'do-over' PG squad when Wall is bought out and returns here for a 2nd chance of his own.

[Jay81]

how about we revisit that GS Trade. Beal for Kuminga, Wiseman and 2 firsts?

[nate33]

how about we revisit that GS Trade. Beal for Kuminga, Wiseman and 2 firsts?

What player is Golden State including to match salaries?

[Jay81]

what player was being included last year when this topic was hot?

[Ruzious]

what player was being included last year when this topic was hot?

Wiggins. No way they trade him now for Beal.

[NatP4]

Why not just send him to Portland for Hart&Bledsoe&7 overall?

Beal and Lillard would definitely like to play together.

[pcbothwel]

what player was being included last year when this topic was hot?

My trade was using Wiggins + 2 picks as a Baseline. I hated Wiseman as a prospect and would only include him instead of a pick if 1 3rd team was brought in.

That said, both GSW and Bos were mentioned last year and now both are out. Poole makes Beal an expensive luxury and Beal is a poor fit with Tatum and Brown.
IMHO, The only teams that Beal would want to go to and the team would appear to have reciprocal interest (I.E. Willing to pay the contract and the trade assets) are:
Miami: Winning culture and need another go to scorer in the backcourt. Doubtful they have the assets though
Cleveland: Beal is from the Mid-West and Garland played for Beal's AAU team. Levert and Okoro dont seem up to the task at the 2.
Philly: They have a lot of options with, and W/O, Harden. I personally dont see it though

Wild Card teams: The SW division (Grizz, Mavs, Spurs). Im most intrigued by SAS because of their picks and young players, but I could see Beal being uneasy about Pop heading out the door.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

That's an interesting report. I don't know what Luka would think of that, tqbh. I think Luka thinks of Brunson as one of his guys, but who knows. :ascii-shrug:

If I'm not screwing up the numbers (always possible folks, so forgive me if I have), just on the players involved in the trade side of things, with Brunson starting at $20m and no additional outgoing Wizard's players apart from Beal (opted in) I make it that Dallas would have to ship a number strictly between $19.02m and $25.6m in additional salary to the Wizards. There's a lot of flexibility there.

fwiw, if Brunson starts at $26m or $30.5m (he has to have some motivation) then the numbers are $16.02m and $19.6m$, or $13.77m and $15.1m, respectively. Still enough for Powell and Green in all cases.

Powell: $11.08m, Boban: $3.5m, Josh Green: $3.1m, Sterling Brown: $3m, Chriss: $2.2m, Frank: $2m
(also THJ: $19.6m, Dinwiddie: $19.5m, Bertans: $16m - I'm assuming DFS, Maxi Kleber and Reggie Bullock are off the table).

** Note, that 2023 Dallas FRP is conditional, so any picks they trade from 2025 onwards have to be conditional on the conveyance clauses of that pick.

The protection is, I believe, protected top 10 in 2023-25, else 2025 second round pick. So it's it very likely to convey in 2023.

However, a team trading for Dallas's 2025 FRP would (assuming they want an honest to god FRP and not some conversion to SRPs) actually be trading for that pick if the 2023 pick conveys, or else the Dallas 2026 FRP if the Dallas 2023 fails to convey, but the Dallas 2024 does, or else the Dallas 2027 FRP if neither Dallas 2023 nor Dallas 2024 FRP conveys but Dallas 2025 FRP does convey, or the Dallas 2028 FRP if none of Dallas 2023, 2024 and 2025 convey.

And I think that means that Dallas can't trade their 2027 FRP pick in an analogous way right now, because in the worst of all possible worlds that ends up actually being a 2030 pick, and so more than seven years away. So they would have to have it converting to a SRP if it hasn't conveyed by 2029 or whatever.

Can we adress the egg plant in the room here. Why on earth would Beal want to play with Spencer and bertans again. Even with Luka there. I'm assuming there is plenty of bad blood there.

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Easy. Because both Dinwiddie and Bertans is coming back to DC in the trade deal! BOOM!

Beal for Brunson + Dinwiddie does work if you keep Bruson's starting salary to $26m (and makes sense from a player standpoint for Dallas). Then the Wizards could flip Dinwiddie, who rehabbed his reputation to a reasonable extent in Dallas.

[Frichuela]

If mean if Beal is content with going to POR and willing to opt-in to his final year, then I'd do a 3-team trade:

WAS sends Beal to POR for #7+Bledsoe+Hart+additional compensation (MIL 2025 top 4 protected).
WAS sends Kuzma+#7+MIL 2025 to SAC for #4.

I'd select Ivey at #4. Then, I'd trade #10 & #56 to SAS for #20, #25 and #38 and looking at Tankathon draft ranking, I'd select Liddle (#20), Terry (#25) and say Roddy (#38).

In the offseason, I'd also contemplate trading KCP to SAC for a sign-and traded DiVincezo.

2022-23 roster for the (finally) truly rebuilding Wiz:

Ivey/Bledsoe/Terry
Hart/DiVincenzo/Roddy
Deni/Kispert
Rui/Liddle/Todd
Porzinga/Gafford/Carey

[Jay81]

what player was being included last year when this topic was hot?

Wiggins. No way they trade him now for Beal.

yep. We love waiting for our players value to go down while theres go up lol

[Jay81]

If mean if Beal is content with going to POR and willing to opt-in to his final year, then I'd do a 3-team trade:

WAS sends Beal to POR for #7+Bledsoe+Hart+additional compensation (MIL 2025 top 4 protected).
WAS sends Kuzma+#7+MIL 2025 to SAC for #4.

I'd select Ivey at #4. Then, I'd trade #10 & #56 to SAS for #20, #25 and #38 and looking at Tankathon draft ranking, I'd select Liddle (#20), Terry (#25) and say Roddy (#38).

In the offseason, I'd also contemplate trading KCP to SAC for a sign-and traded DiVincezo.

2022-23 roster for the (finally) truly rebuilding Wiz:

Ivey/Bledsoe/Terry
Hart/DiVincenzo/Roddy
Deni/Kispert
Rui/Liddle/Todd
Porzinga/Gafford/Carey

If we are truly rebuilding(which we should be!) we got to trade Porzinga while his value has somewhat shot back up!

[Frichuela]

If mean if Beal is content with going to POR and willing to opt-in to his final year, then I'd do a 3-team trade:

WAS sends Beal to POR for #7+Bledsoe+Hart+additional compensation (MIL 2025 top 4 protected).
WAS sends Kuzma+#7+MIL 2025 to SAC for #4.

I'd select Ivey at #4. Then, I'd trade #10 & #56 to SAS for #20, #25 and #38 and looking at Tankathon draft ranking, I'd select Liddle (#20), Terry (#25) and say Roddy (#38).

In the offseason, I'd also contemplate trading KCP to SAC for a sign-and traded DiVincezo.

2022-23 roster for the (finally) truly rebuilding Wiz:

Ivey/Bledsoe/Terry
Hart/DiVincenzo/Roddy
Deni/Kispert
Rui/Liddle/Todd
Porzinga/Gafford/Carey

If we are truly rebuilding(which we should be!) we got to trade Porzinga while his value has somewhat shot back up!

Agreed. We would hope for a healthy start of next season and with luck get some additional draft compensation.

[nate33]

If mean if Beal is content with going to POR and willing to opt-in to his final year, then I'd do a 3-team trade:

WAS sends Beal to POR for #7+Bledsoe+Hart+additional compensation (MIL 2025 top 4 protected).
WAS sends Kuzma+#7+MIL 2025 to SAC for #4.

I'd select Ivey at #4. Then, I'd trade #10 & #56 to SAS for #20, #25 and #38 and looking at Tankathon draft ranking, I'd select Liddle (#20), Terry (#25) and say Roddy (#38).

In the offseason, I'd also contemplate trading KCP to SAC for a sign-and traded DiVincezo.

2022-23 roster for the (finally) truly rebuilding Wiz:

Ivey/Bledsoe/Terry
Hart/DiVincenzo/Roddy
Deni/Kispert
Rui/Liddle/Todd
Porzinga/Gafford/Carey

If we are truly rebuilding(which we should be!) we got to trade Porzinga while his value has somewhat shot back up!

I agree with this statement, but I don't think Porzingis' value has shot up much after just 19 games with the Wizards. But if Porzingis maintains that level of play for the first half-season this year, then we ought to explore trading him.

I'm open-minded to keeping him too. Centers, particularly the real tall, relatively immobile types, often peak a little later in their careers. I'm thinking about guys like Marc Gasol, Brook Lopez and Valanciunas. If Porzingis can manage to sustain his play from last season, he might be a building block going forward. There's nothing wrong with a 27-year-old who can average 28, 11 and 4 (per 36) on a TS% of .600. while providing some spacing on offense and protecting the rim on defense.

[Frichuela]

If mean if Beal is content with going to POR and willing to opt-in to his final year, then I'd do a 3-team trade:

WAS sends Beal to POR for #7+Bledsoe+Hart+additional compensation (MIL 2025 top 4 protected).
WAS sends Kuzma+#7+MIL 2025 to SAC for #4.

I'd select Ivey at #4. Then, I'd trade #10 & #56 to SAS for #20, #25 and #38 and looking at Tankathon draft ranking, I'd select Liddle (#20), Terry (#25) and say Roddy (#38).

In the offseason, I'd also contemplate trading KCP to SAC for a sign-and traded DiVincezo.

2022-23 roster for the (finally) truly rebuilding Wiz:

Ivey/Bledsoe/Terry
Hart/DiVincenzo/Roddy
Deni/Kispert
Rui/Liddle/Todd
Porzinga/Gafford/Carey

If we are truly rebuilding(which we should be!) we got to trade Porzinga while his value has somewhat shot back up!

Agreed. We would hope for a healthy start of next season and with luck get some additional draft compensation.

By the way, the whole premise of the 3-way trade is based on the belief that Jaden Ivey is THE GUY with all star potential. And the thought that trading up for him is more palatable than a rebuild where we have to tank for many years and hope to get lucky in the lottery to select a top 5 talent...Now if we are not sure Ivey is that guy then...

[FAH1223]

If mean if Beal is content with going to POR and willing to opt-in to his final year, then I'd do a 3-team trade:

WAS sends Beal to POR for #7+Bledsoe+Hart+additional compensation (MIL 2025 top 4 protected).
WAS sends Kuzma+#7+MIL 2025 to SAC for #4.

I'd select Ivey at #4. Then, I'd trade #10 & #56 to SAS for #20, #25 and #38 and looking at Tankathon draft ranking, I'd select Liddle (#20), Terry (#25) and say Roddy (#38).

In the offseason, I'd also contemplate trading KCP to SAC for a sign-and traded DiVincezo.

2022-23 roster for the (finally) truly rebuilding Wiz:

Ivey/Bledsoe/Terry
Hart/DiVincenzo/Roddy
Deni/Kispert
Rui/Liddle/Todd
Porzinga/Gafford/Carey

If we are truly rebuilding(which we should be!) we got to trade Porzinga while his value has somewhat shot back up!

I agree with this statement, but I don't think Porzingis' value has shot up much after just 19 games with the Wizards. But if Porzingis maintains that level of play for the first half-season this year, then we ought to explore trading him.

I'm open-minded to keeping him too. Centers, particularly the real tall, relatively immobile types, often peak a little later in their careers. I'm thinking about guys like Marc Gasol, Brook Lopez and Valanciunas. If Porzingis can manage to sustain his play from last season, he might be a building block going forward. There's nothing wrong with a 27-year-old who can average 28, 11 and 4 (per 36) on a TS% of .600. while providing some spacing on offense and protecting the rim on defense.

Also, KP has gotten a lot stronger, and there are a few big guys who had injury issues early on who were able to be more available as they got older. Hopefully he can be like that.