How many Lebron seasons over 1994 Hakeem?

Matt15 · Post #1 » by **Matt15** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:16 am

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TheGOATRises007 · Post #2 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:23 am

09, 12, 13, 16, 17 and 18 probably.

tihsad · Post #3 » by **tihsad** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:42 am

Maybe 12', 13', 16' and 17'. Maybe. 12', 13' and 16' are the only ones I personally might argue for. I'm not a fan of the gonzo years.

capfan33 · Post #4 » by **capfan33** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:50 am

09-10, 12,13,16,17, maybe 18 and 14.

No-more-rings · Post #5 » by **No-more-rings** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:02 am

People are underrating Hakeem here, but it’s nothing new. 09 and 12 are the only ones i’d really argue for.

falcolombardi · Post #6 » by **falcolombardi** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:07 am

dunno

1993Playoffs · Post #7 » by **1993Playoffs** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:17 am

I’m pretty high on peak Hakeem

Still. 09,12,13,14,16,17, maybe 18.

Gooner · Post #8 » by **Gooner** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:21 am

None.

70sFan · Post #9 » by **70sFan** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:58 am

2009, 2012 and maybe 2013. Don't think I'd take any other season.

migya · Post #10 » by **migya** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:31 am

None.

Lebron never carried a team like that and never had the total package on both ends. Olajuwon in 1994 is a top 5 alltime season for me.

PhiEaglesfan712 · Post #11 » by **PhiEaglesfan712** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:07 pm

migya wrote:None.

Lebron never carried a team like that and never had the total package on both ends. Olajuwon in 1994 is a top 5 alltime season for me.

The 2018 season exists. LeBron played all 82 regular season games and all 22 postseason games and led a sorry Cavs team to NBA Finals at age 33.

No-more-rings · Post #12 » by **No-more-rings** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:43 pm

PhiEaglesfan712 wrote:
migya wrote:None.

Lebron never carried a team like that and never had the total package on both ends. Olajuwon in 1994 is a top 5 alltime season for me.

The 2018 season exists. LeBron played all 82 regular season games and all 22 postseason games and led a sorry Cavs team to NBA Finals at age 33.

Check Lebron’s defensive metrics that year, they were atrocious.

ShotCreator · Post #13 » by **ShotCreator** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:54 pm

09 and 10 I think he was just better.

Maybe 12 and 13. Really not high on LeBron’s defense in 2013 and 2014.

Wanna note 93 Hakeem was better than 94 but the answers are all the same.

RCM88x · Post #14 » by **RCM88x** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:33 pm

09-18

Perimeter play is just more valuable

70sFan · Post #15 » by **70sFan** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:35 pm

RCM88x wrote:09-18

Perimeter play is just more valuable

We don't have any evidences of that being true.

RCM88x · Post #16 » by **RCM88x** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:40 pm

70sFan wrote:
RCM88x wrote:09-18

Perimeter play is just more valuable

We don't have any evidences of that being true.

The last decade of NBA basketball?

Maybe in fake basketball world before the 3pt line or with the illegal defense world it was opposite but in the current world it certainly seems to be.

70sFan · Post #17 » by **70sFan** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:54 pm

RCM88x wrote:
70sFan wrote:
RCM88x wrote:09-18

Perimeter play is just more valuable

We don't have any evidences of that being true.

The last decade of NBA basketball?

Maybe in fake basketball world before the 3pt line or with the illegal defense world it was opposite but in the current world it certainly seems to be.

Throughout the history, the most impactful players ever has been bigs. Even now we have almost only bigs among MVP candidates.

RCM88x · Post #18 » by **RCM88x** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:57 pm

70sFan wrote:
RCM88x wrote:
70sFan wrote:We don't have any evidences of that being true.

The last decade of NBA basketball?

Maybe in fake basketball world before the 3pt line or with the illegal defense world it was opposite but in the current world it certainly seems to be.

Throughout the history, the most impactful players ever has been bigs. Even now we have almost only bigs among MVP candidates.

MVP is a regular season award. The only traditional big since '07 who would be the playoff MVP might be Dirk but even he was relatively perimeter oriented.

Gianni's plays just a much on the perimeter as he does inside and I wouldn't classify him as a traditional big like a Hakeem.

Cavsfansince84 · Post #19 » by **Cavsfansince84** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:57 pm

This is basically to what degree do you value LeBron's playmaking and game management skills over Hakeem's defense. Scoring is pretty close to equal outside of 2009 and 2018 where LeBron switched it to a higher degree but there's no doubt his defense fell off in 2018 with that load. 2009 always gets treated like an outlier but it may have been the highest level of bb any perimeter player has ever played along with peak MJ.

70sFan · Post #20 » by **70sFan** » Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:59 pm

RCM88x wrote:
70sFan wrote:
RCM88x wrote:
The last decade of NBA basketball?

Maybe in fake basketball world before the 3pt line or with the illegal defense world it was opposite but in the current world it certainly seems to be.

Throughout the history, the most impactful players ever has been bigs. Even now we have almost only bigs among MVP candidates.

MVP is a regular season award. The only traditional big since '07 who would be the playoff MVP might be Dirk but even he was relatively perimeter oriented.

Gianni's plays just a much on the perimeter as he does inside and I wouldn't classify him as a traditional big like a Hakeem.

I'd say that KG has a very reasonable case for playoffs MVP in 2008. Dwight was close in 2009, so was Duncan in 2013. Jokic is amazing in the playoffs, he just lacks good team around him. Giannis is two-way bigman and even though he drives more than other bigs, he's still inside player.