2022 NBA Draft Part II

[King Ken]

Dyson Daniels' poor free throw shooting, poor ability to get to the free throw line, and poor three point shooting makes him look like a prospect deserving of being labeled "potentially a first round pick" rather than a prospect receiving any measurable amount of lottery consideration. We have already seen Exum and Simmons, two lottery selected Australian point guards that can't shoot. Do we really need the third strike?

Why are you so obsessed with his FT shooting?

FT shooting has historically been the best way to project how someone will improve their outside shooting in the league. Good FT shooters who struggle from 3 young often figure it out but if they struggle as a FT shooter it's rare for them to figure out the 3 (and FT as well).

I actually love Daniels personally; His shooting numbers were much better the second half of the season.

Daniels and Jalen Williams will be the big movers. Daniels's potential is just too high. I can't see him going later than 7. Jalen should go top 10 too but late lotto to 20 is likely his range.

[azcatz11]

Why are you so obsessed with his FT shooting?

FT shooting has historically been the best way to project how someone will improve their outside shooting in the league. Good FT shooters who struggle from 3 young often figure it out but if they struggle as a FT shooter it's rare for them to figure out the 3 (and FT as well).

I actually love Daniels personally; His shooting numbers were much better the second half of the season.

Daniels and Jalen Williams will be the big movers. Daniels's potential is just too high. I can't see him going later than 7. Jalen should go top 10 too but late lotto to 20 is likely his range.

How much better is Daniels than Terry?

[The-Power]

How much better is Daniels than Terry?

I'd draft Terry ahead of Daniels. Not a huge gap but that's where I'm currently at. I'm really high on Terry, though. GSW Iguodala kind of player.

[amcoolio]

Dyson Daniels is the absolute perfect compliment to LaMelo Ball in the back court. Defense first, creating for others, even keeled, mature, lethal size combination if LaMelo and Dyson are your guards. I would trade 13 and 15 and whatever it takes to go up and get him

[King Ken]

FT shooting has historically been the best way to project how someone will improve their outside shooting in the league. Good FT shooters who struggle from 3 young often figure it out but if they struggle as a FT shooter it's rare for them to figure out the 3 (and FT as well).

I actually love Daniels personally; His shooting numbers were much better the second half of the season.

Daniels and Jalen Williams will be the big movers. Daniels's potential is just too high. I can't see him going later than 7. Jalen should go top 10 too but late lotto to 20 is likely his range.

How much better is Daniels than Terry?

I haven't paid too much attention to Terry when I watched Zona. He didn't pop off the screen for me either.

Whereas Daniels popped out when my primary focus was Scoot. So while I won't say how much better he is, I will say I would talk him in the top 8.

[SelfishPlayer]

Jeremy Sochan looks like a second round pick. I don't believe teams are looking to gamble on a power forward in the first round that can't score and can't shoot.

[SNPA]

Jeremy Sochan looks like a second round pick. I don't believe teams are looking to gamble on a power forward in the first round that can't score and can't shoot.

I don’t see it either. Give me EJ Liddell.

[The-Power]

I've written up my thoughts on the lottery and options after the lottery. Rankings are roughly in order but not completely fixed, so I can easily see various players moving up and down some spots. Still think this is a fairly weak draft at the top and in the lottery.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=99617092#p99617092

1. Jaden Ivey
2. Jabari Smith
3. Ousmane Dieng
4. Keegan Murray
5. Paolo Banchero
6. Chet Holmgren

7. Dalen Terry
8. Bennedict Mathurin
9. Jeremy Sochan
10. Jalen Williams
11. Johnny Davis
12. Dyson Daniels
13. Shaedon Sharpe
14. Tari Eason

Other players to consider with a mid-first/post-lottery pick:

– Ready-to-contribute: E.J. Liddell, Mark Williams, Walker Kessler
– Upside-picks: A.J. Griffin, Moussa Diabate, Jalen Duren, Jaden Hardy, Bryce McGowens

[SelfishPlayer]

Interesting thread dedicated to Jaylen Brown being overrated. This was created before he was drafted. I was high on him then.
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1449779

I'm high on Kendall Brown, Mathurin, and Agbaji.

[Hal14]

ok, i'm just gonna say it. If the consensus top 4 is off the board, if I'm detroit i'm taking Sochan.

a) between the fact that detroit seems to be building a team of hard nosed p[layers who are tough, physical with an emphasis on defense, and the fact that the back court would be crowded with Sharpe (cade, sharpe, hayes, bey is a little crowded), I wouldn't take Sharpe. It's not like he's a cant miss top 5 guy anyways - obviously there's some question marks given the fact that he is going right from HS to pros and hasn't played a game since 2020-2021 season

b) since they are nowhere near being a contender. and most of their team is really young anyways, I would go with a guy (Sochan) who is maybe not as good as Murray but Sochan is younger and has higher ceiling.

Detroit needs more size. They need more shooting - Sochan shot 36% on catch and shoot 3's last season. That's really good for a freshman who played the whole season at age 18. He's gonna only get better as a shooter- his form is good, he's still so young and he's clearly a hard worker.

And you love what he brings with his energy and his defense, especially how versatile he is on D.

There, I said it. if the consensus top 4 are off the board, I'm taking Sochan if I'm Detroit.

[Hal14]

Dyson Daniels is the absolute perfect compliment to LaMelo Ball in the back court. Defense first, creating for others, even keeled, mature, lethal size combination if LaMelo and Dyson are your guards. I would trade 13 and 15 and whatever it takes to go up and get him

Nah. The perfect complement to Lamelo is a guard who a) can shoot really good and b) can defend really good

Daniels can defend really good but he does have question marks about his shooting

[WargamesX]

I been watching those open court Dyson Daniels shooting vids and I think his range can be anywhere from 7 to 13. I don’t think his shot is broken but it sure isn’t going in at a good clip.

[matthewdaniel69]

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[shangrila]

ok, i'm just gonna say it. If the consensus top 4 is off the board, if I'm detroit i'm taking Sochan.

a) between the fact that detroit seems to be building a team of hard nosed p[layers who are tough, physical with an emphasis on defense, and the fact that the back court would be crowded with Sharpe (cade, sharpe, hayes, bey is a little crowded), I wouldn't take Sharpe. It's not like he's a cant miss top 5 guy anyways - obviously there's some question marks given the fact that he is going right from HS to pros and hasn't played a game since 2020-2021 season

b) since they are nowhere near being a contender. and most of their team is really young anyways, I would go with a guy (Sochan) who is maybe not as good as Murray but Sochan is younger and has higher ceiling.

Detroit needs more size. They need more shooting - Sochan shot 36% on catch and shoot 3's last season. That's really good for a freshman who played the whole season at age 18. He's gonna only get better as a shooter- his form is good, he's still so young and he's clearly a hard worker.

And you love what he brings with his energy and his defense, especially how versatile he is on D.

There, I said it. if the consensus top 4 are off the board, I'm taking Sochan if I'm Detroit.

While I agree that they shouldn't just draft Sharpe/Murray, I'd argue Mark Williams makes more sense there.

A Cade-Williams PnR is something you could build a good offence around, not to mention what Williams will do for their defence.

[SelfishPlayer]

Dalen Terry is very skilled. He's a right handed player, I just seen him throw a lob pass with his left hand off the dribble. That is not usual. A one handed lob pass off the dribble with a player's strong hand is a great skill usually displayed by point guards. This really sets him apart. He's made to play with talented NBA players. Offensively, he potentially may be Iguodala at his very best with the Warriors.

[babyjax13]

Had some fun going through the hoopshype draft workouts page and probably ruined my mock in the process: https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-draft-workout-tracker-where-are-prospects-going/

[The Moose]

Had some fun going through the hoopshype draft workouts page and probably ruined my mock in the process: https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-draft-workout-tracker-where-are-prospects-going/

Fwiw, this is missing a lot of workouts I’m guessing.

The Pistons are pretty quiet about who they are working out. It’s only got Dyson on this list, but we know they’ve also worked out Sharpe twice , Duren , Mathurin, Ivey , Murray

[K_chile22]

Had some fun going through the hoopshype draft workouts page and probably ruined my mock in the process: https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-draft-workout-tracker-where-are-prospects-going/

Along this line I feel like teams are getting more open about workouts? Don't remember teams twitter accounts announcing who's working out there that day or anything like that.

Makes me jealous as we only know who the rockets are working out when the players come out and say. I want to know!

[babyjax13]

Had some fun going through the hoopshype draft workouts page and probably ruined my mock in the process: https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-draft-workout-tracker-where-are-prospects-going/

Fwiw, this is missing a lot of workouts I’m guessing.

The Pistons are pretty quiet about who they are working out. It’s only got Dyson on this list, but we know they’ve also worked out Sharpe twice , Duren , Mathurin, Ivey , Murray

Thank you, that is good to know. I could not find where Duren or Murray had worked out other than what was on this list from a cursory search, so either the list is a bit out of date and/or teams are being quiet about some of their workouts. Still a bit fun to speculate based on where workouts have happened, but this introduces a huge caveat : )

[EMG518]

Had some fun going through the hoopshype draft workouts page and probably ruined my mock in the process: https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-draft-workout-tracker-where-are-prospects-going/

Fwiw, this is missing a lot of workouts I’m guessing.

The Pistons are pretty quiet about who they are working out. It’s only got Dyson on this list, but we know they’ve also worked out Sharpe twice , Duren , Mathurin, Ivey , Murray

Thank you, that is good to know. I could not find where Duren or Murray had worked out other than what was on this list from a cursory search, so either the list is a bit out of date and/or teams are being quiet about some of their workouts. Still a bit fun to speculate based on where workouts have happened, but this introduces a huge caveat : )

You could definitely discern there is interest at certain positions for certain teams based off of the workouts shown there.