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[MickeyDavis]

Last thread maxed out.

[Baddy Chuck]

Roby is far more interesting than you're giving him credit for. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to refer to the Euroleague MVP as a "backup point guard" without providing the context that he's better than Allen either.

An upgrade, a toolsy, switchu, young guy who just knocked down 44% from deep, and you move back 2 spots? It's a win across the board.

I'd say it's wildly debatable to try to paint Micic as some surefire upgrade. Teodosic was a 1st/2nd All-Euro guy from 3 straight seasons before coming to the NBA, backup at best. Sergio Rodriguez won the MVP a couple years before coming back, backup at best. de Colo wasn't even backup during his time in the NBA, immediately made 2nd team and then won an MVP a season later. Mike James beat out Micic for 1st team this season.

[RiotPunch]

MKE out: Hill, #24
MKE in: McBride, #30, #42

DEN out: Morris, #30
DEN in: Reddish, Hill, #24

NYK out: Reddish, McBride, #42
NYK in: Morris

Bucks take a different approach to infuse the roster with young talent.

Nuggets pave the way for Bones to be backup PG, gain a needed 3&D wing, take on Hill to move up 6 spots.

Knicks use Reddish, Deuce and a 2nd to grab a rock solid PG in Morris.

30 - Dalen Terry
42 - David Roddy

Holiday / McBride / Vildoza
Allen / Terry / Matthews
Middleton / Connaughton / Tucker
Giannis / Portis / Roddy / Thanasis
Lopez / Hartenstein (tMLE)

[German Athens]

MKE out: Hill, #24
MKE in: McBride, #30, #42

DEN out: Morris, #30
DEN in: Reddish, Hill, #24

NYK out: Reddish, McBride, #42
NYK in: Morris

Bucks take a different approach to infuse the roster with young talent.

Nuggets pave the way for Bones to be backup PG, gain a needed 3&D wing, take on Hill to move up 6 spots.

Knicks use Reddish, Deuce and a 2nd to grab a rock solid PG in Morris.

30 - Dalen Terry
42 - David Roddy

Holiday / McBride / Vildoza
Allen / Terry / Matthews
Middleton / Connaughton / Tucker
Giannis / Portis / Roddy / Thanasis
Lopez / Hartenstein (tMLE)

I feel like Terry is more likely to go in the top 20 then be available at 30 at this point.

But if it broke that way, sign me the hell up.


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[Ron Swanson]

I've wanted Micic since the 2014 Draft, but penciling him in for immediate rotation minutes is getting a little ahead of ourselves. Odds are he'll be a defensive liability in the playoffs, so you're already back at the same issue we've had the last two postseasons. Need to find a backup PG or combo guard that can defend that also isn't ancient. Whether that be drafting a guy like Dalen Terry, or going out and getting someone like Delon Wright in free agency.

[RiotPunch]

MKE out: Hill, #24
MKE in: McBride, #30, #42

DEN out: Morris, #30
DEN in: Reddish, Hill, #24

NYK out: Reddish, McBride, #42
NYK in: Morris

Bucks take a different approach to infuse the roster with young talent.

Nuggets pave the way for Bones to be backup PG, gain a needed 3&D wing, take on Hill to move up 6 spots.

Knicks use Reddish, Deuce and a 2nd to grab a rock solid PG in Morris.

30 - Dalen Terry
42 - David Roddy

Holiday / McBride / Vildoza
Allen / Terry / Matthews
Middleton / Connaughton / Tucker
Giannis / Portis / Roddy / Thanasis
Lopez / Hartenstein (tMLE)

I feel like Terry is more likely to go in the top 20 then be available at 30 at this point.

But if it broke that way, sign me the hell up.


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Wishful thinking, but someone's gotta drop, and he keeps getting mocked in the early 30's. Insert Terry, Moore, Beauchamp, Braun, Procida, etc, the idea is you add McBride and still have two decent bites at the apple. Deuce/Dalen would wreak havoc together off the bench, though.

[skones]

Roby is far more interesting than you're giving him credit for. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to refer to the Euroleague MVP as a "backup point guard" without providing the context that he's better than Allen either.

An upgrade, a toolsy, switchu, young guy who just knocked down 44% from deep, and you move back 2 spots? It's a win across the board.

I'd say it's wildly debatable to try to paint Micic as some surefire upgrade. Teodosic was a 1st/2nd All-Euro guy from 3 straight seasons before coming to the NBA, backup at best. Sergio Rodriguez won the MVP a couple years before coming back, backup at best. de Colo wasn't even backup during his time in the NBA, immediately made 2nd team and then won an MVP a season later. Mike James beat out Micic for 1st team this season.

Would you lump all college award winners together and project their outcomes based upon those accolades? Or would that just be a dumb way to evaluate a player?

[German Athens]

Wishful thinking, but someone's gotta drop, and he keeps getting mocked in the early 30's. Insert Terry, Moore, Beauchamp, Braun, Procida, etc, the idea is you add McBride and still have two decent bites at the apple. Deuce/Dalen would wreak havoc together off the bench, though.

Oh, I absolutely think someone good will be available at 30, and with that I like your proposal quite a bit.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Wendell moore is available at 30, and you’d definitely be able to come away excited with that pick.

Dalen Terry is just the guy I’m super high on who I could see available at 24, and the only guy who I could possibly falling to us that I’d take over him is Tari at this point.


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[Baddy Chuck]

Roby is far more interesting than you're giving him credit for. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to refer to the Euroleague MVP as a "backup point guard" without providing the context that he's better than Allen either.

An upgrade, a toolsy, switchu, young guy who just knocked down 44% from deep, and you move back 2 spots? It's a win across the board.

I'd say it's wildly debatable to try to paint Micic as some surefire upgrade. Teodosic was a 1st/2nd All-Euro guy from 3 straight seasons before coming to the NBA, backup at best. Sergio Rodriguez won the MVP a couple years before coming back, backup at best. de Colo wasn't even backup during his time in the NBA, immediately made 2nd team and then won an MVP a season later. Mike James beat out Micic for 1st team this season.

Would you lump all college award winners together and project their outcomes based upon those accolades? Or would that just be a dumb way to evaluate a player?

I would argue that a 15-20 team professional league is a lot different than college basketball where one conference could have that many teams and only a couple of guys good enough to play even on that level. And then narrowing it down even further to guards who dominated that league who many share a lot of strengths/weaknesses probably paints a much better picture than you'd care to admit.

I mean for the record I think he'll be fine in the NBA, and Grayson Allen surely isn't a high bar to have to reach, but I think painting him in some extreme light is super premature.

[Fotis St]

Khris + Lopez (+ #24 ) for DeRozan + Lonzo Ball

Maybe Bulls after signing Lavine would prefer a different scorer than DeRozan. Valuing Khris high enough they could include Lonzo whose injury is a risk they don't want to take.

For us DeRozan is more durable than Khris and Lonzo injury status is a risk worth taking. Not sure how he comes back and if a 2nd surgery is needed, but still if he comes back healthy we solve alot of our playmaking problems

[TroyD92]

Khris + Lopez (+ #24 ) for DeRozan + Lonzo Ball

Maybe Bulls after signing Lavine would prefer a different scorer than DeRozan. Valuing Khris high enough they could include Lonzo whose injury is a risk they don't want to take.

For us DeRozan is more durable than Khris and Lonzo injury status is a risk worth taking. Not sure how he comes back and if a 2nd surgery is needed, but still if he comes back healthy we solve alot of our playmaking problems

No thanks

[raferfenix]

Here's hoping ownership learned their lesson about the perils of being too frugal after our championship run and are fully empowering Horst to make aggressive moves.

At a baseline keeping Connaughton as well as Portis is in order if they want to stay.

Horst being allowed to offer around packages that increase the payroll -- some combo of draft assets + Allen / Hill / Lopez etc. -- is different than if ownership insists on letting guys expire too.

Also using the taxpayer MLE.

Extending Middleton is another big question. If we don't do that -- or trade him this summer -- then we could have a more challenging situation next offseason when he has a player option that gives him added leverage. It's less of a concern if the plan is to keep Khris no matter what. That said, if we don't want to trade him now but think we might trade him next offseason, then the move might be to lock in that extension so he can't opt out or force his way to certain teams.

[CharityStripe34]

I wonder how soon Horst speaks with Khris and his team about possible extension talks. You'd think they would want to get that out of the way as opposed to prolonging it throughout the season. Not that Khris would become a malcontent or bury the Bucks in the media or anything.

[Ron Swanson]

They're not gonna trade Khris this offseason nor are they going to trade him before the deadline in the midst of a championship run, so the Khris extension isn't a "question" to me in the slightest. It's only a matter of what the numbers/years look like.

[MVP2110]

They're not gonna trade Khris this offseason nor are they going to trade him before the deadline in the midst of a championship run, so the Khris extension isn't a "question" to me in the slightest. It's only a matter of what the numbers/years look like.

100% this

[CharityStripe34]

They're not gonna trade Khris this offseason nor are they going to trade him before the deadline in the midst of a championship run, so the Khris extension isn't a "question" to me in the slightest. It's only a matter of what the numbers/years look like.

I agree, I don't think he's going anywhere. Horst's MO has been to lock up the core pieces sooner than later. Would Khris take a slightly less-than-max deal do we think?

[crkone]

They're not gonna trade Khris this offseason nor are they going to trade him before the deadline in the midst of a championship run, so the Khris extension isn't a "question" to me in the slightest. It's only a matter of what the numbers/years look like.

I agree, I don't think he's going anywhere. Horst's MO has been to lock up the core pieces sooner than later. Would Khris take a slightly less-than-max deal do we think?

All I know is I wouldn't want to be the guy approaching Khris asking him to take a paycut, even if it's the right thing to do.

[skones]

I'd say it's wildly debatable to try to paint Micic as some surefire upgrade. Teodosic was a 1st/2nd All-Euro guy from 3 straight seasons before coming to the NBA, backup at best. Sergio Rodriguez won the MVP a couple years before coming back, backup at best. de Colo wasn't even backup during his time in the NBA, immediately made 2nd team and then won an MVP a season later. Mike James beat out Micic for 1st team this season.

Would you lump all college award winners together and project their outcomes based upon those accolades? Or would that just be a dumb way to evaluate a player?

I would argue that a 15-20 team professional league is a lot different than college basketball where one conference could have that many teams and only a couple of guys good enough to play even on that level. And then narrowing it down even further to guards who dominated that league who many share a lot of strengths/weaknesses probably paints a much better picture than you'd care to admit.

I mean for the record I think he'll be fine in the NBA, and Grayson Allen surely isn't a high bar to have to reach, but I think painting him in some extreme light is super premature.

That's not what Euroleague is though. There's a whole system that feeds into it. Painting it as a 15-20 team league rather than what's supposed to be the best of the best when it comes to European basketball is a bit of mischaracterization.

As for the second part, I'm not the one painting anything in an extreme light, because well, Grayson isn't that good. If anything I think trotting out largely irrelevant floppish Euroleague MVP examples accomplishes exactly what you're telling me not to do. Painting him in a particular light in a premature fashion.

[Baddy Chuck]

That's not what Euroleague is though. There's a whole system that feeds into it. Painting it as a 15-20 team league rather than what's supposed to be the best of the best when it comes to European basketball is a bit of mischaracterization.

As for the second part, I'm not the one painting anything in an extreme light, because well, Grayson isn't that good. If anything I think trotting out largely irrelevant floppish Euroleague MVP examples accomplishes exactly what you're telling me not to do. Painting him in a particular light in a premature fashion.

Painting it as a 15-20 team league is a mischaracterization because even if you're lucky enough to work your way into the Euroleague you pretty much have no shot at contending with the 10-12 or whatever it is permanent teams that have just significantly more money and subsequent talent to even compete.

[skones]

That's not what Euroleague is though. There's a whole system that feeds into it. Painting it as a 15-20 team league rather than what's supposed to be the best of the best when it comes to European basketball is a bit of mischaracterization.

As for the second part, I'm not the one painting anything in an extreme light, because well, Grayson isn't that good. If anything I think trotting out largely irrelevant floppish Euroleague MVP examples accomplishes exactly what you're telling me not to do. Painting him in a particular light in a premature fashion.

Painting it as a 15-20 team league is a mischaracterization because even if you're lucky enough to work your way into the Euroleague you pretty much have no shot at contending with the 10-12 or whatever it is permanent teams that have just significantly more money and subsequent talent to even compete.

So like all sports? Small v large market and such?