Jaden Ivey

[clyde21]

Westbrook is really the only comparison that makes some sense, and even that is such a ridiculously unique and rare example. Even still, Westbrook had twice as many steals, more assists, less turnovers, and was a better defender, and almost a full year younger. He also didn’t play on a team loaded with 40% 3pt shooters, the best playmaking big in the country, and a top 5 ranked offense overall.

If you wanna just do the YouTube highlights/eye test thing, Westbrook is significantly more explosive and quick twitch.

I swear Ivey has become one of the most overhyped prospects of all time.

Russ comps are impossible to make...you can't project Russ motor onto anyone else...that's half his game

the cleanest comp is Donovan Mitchell.

Ivey is a better athlete than Mitchell. That’s where he’s closer to Ja. He is more explosive and better at contorting his body around guys for layups.

i think you're forgetting just how athletic D Mitch was his first few yrs in the league

[clyde21]

bottom line you can't comp Ja here....Ja again was a HISTORIC playmaker in college...10apg in the NCAA is unheard of especially for a 19 yr old...you can't project this onto a non-PG...we're talking about completely different players.

I'd also argue Morant has more hang time than Ivey, also a much better handle.

[Duke4life831]

I personally dont get why you would want to try and turn Ivey into a lead guard. That isnt his skill set in anyway, to me that feels like youre wasting time trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

If Im drafting Ivey I want to put him in his best chance of maxing out his potential and to me that is letting him focus on scoring. Instead of trying to learn how to run an offense and try and find the fine line of running an offense and finding his own shot. The vast majority of guys fail inn figuring out that line.

When I draft him the only thing I want him working on is his jump shot, that to me is far more important in maxing out his potential than him learning how to run an offense, and to me that is far more feasible of a goal to reach as well.

Ivey to me is as easy of a guy to figure out a role for as there is in this draft. You plug him into the LaVine/Mitchell role. Ya he will most likely end up leading the time in Time Per Possession and he will be my team's secondary facilitator, but Im plugging him next to an actual PG. I want to pair him next to a Mike Conley (younger version), Lonzo Ball, Tyus Jones kind of PG. PGs that are good defenders, that dont need to dominate the ball in the half court, but when they have the ball they can be very good at settling the offense down and running sets very well.

[Duke4life831]

bottom line you can't comp Ja here....Ja again was a HISTORIC playmaker in college...10apg in the NCAA is unheard of especially for a 19 yr old...you can't project this onto a non-PG...we're talking about completely different players.

I'd also argue Morant has more hang time than Ivey, also a much better handle.

Ya Ivey is ridiculously quick, but ya he isnt anywhere close to the same kind of leaper that Ja is. He also isnt nearly as crafty of a ball handler either. Ivey is much more of a straight line driver compared to Ja coming out of college.

To me the Ivey-Ja comparison is only solid when it comes to quickness and shooting form. Anything past that, it really falls apart.

[Big J]

I don’t see how Ivey couldn’t be a D Rose type of lead guard. Put 4 shooters around him and he’s getting to the rack every single time down the court.

[Duke4life831]

I don’t see how Ivey couldn’t be a D Rose type of lead guard. Put 4 shooters around him and he’s getting to the rack every single time down the court.

Because prime Rose was the better athlete, had the better handle, and he was an actual PG and could run an offense.

[clyde21]

I don’t see how Ivey couldn’t be a D Rose type of lead guard. Put 4 shooters around him and he’s getting to the rack every single time down the court.

b/c at no point in time in his career has Ivey even ran an offense.

does he have that ability and we've just never seen it? always possible. but that's not a comp/projection you make at this point. no one is drafting Ivey in the top5 to run their offense. you're drafting him as an athletic 2 guard who could maybe develop into a combo guy for you down the road.

[mattao313]

Westbrook is really the only comparison that makes some sense, and even that is such a ridiculously unique and rare example. Even still, Westbrook had twice as many steals, more assists, less turnovers, and was a better defender, and almost a full year younger. He also didn’t play on a team loaded with 40% 3pt shooters, the best playmaking big in the country, and a top 5 ranked offense overall.

If you wanna just do the YouTube highlights/eye test thing, Westbrook is significantly more explosive and quick twitch.

I swear Ivey has become one of the most overhyped prospects of all time.

Russ comps are impossible to make...you can't project Russ motor onto anyone else...that's half his game

the cleanest comp is Donovan Mitchell.

Mitchell is not as explosive as Ivey is. Ivey is closer to Morant, rose, Westbrook in terms of speed and explosiveness. Vertically those guys are in another league tho. I can easily see Ivey being a combo/ scoring guard that can get you 5-6 assist a game just off drive and kick opportunities.

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[The-Power]

Ivey worked in a perfect system that complimented his skill set.

I'd have to very strongly disagree with that statement.

[MemphisX]

I personally dont get why you would want to try and turn Ivey into a lead guard. That isnt his skill set in anyway, to me that feels like youre wasting time trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

If Im drafting Ivey I want to put him in his best chance of maxing out his potential and to me that is letting him focus on scoring. Instead of trying to learn how to run an offense and try and find the fine line of running an offense and finding his own shot. The vast majority of guys fail inn figuring out that line.

When I draft him the only thing I want him working on is his jump shot, that to me is far more important in maxing out his potential than him learning how to run an offense, and to me that is far more feasible of a goal to reach as well.

Ivey to me is as easy of a guy to figure out a role for as there is in this draft. You plug him into the LaVine/Mitchell role. Ya he will most likely end up leading the time in Time Per Possession and he will be my team's secondary facilitator, but Im plugging him next to an actual PG. I want to pair him next to a Mike Conley (younger version), Lonzo Ball, Tyus Jones kind of PG. PGs that are good defenders, that dont need to dominate the ball in the half court, but when they have the ball they can be very good at settling the offense down and running sets very well.

This is why I hope Ivey ends up in Detroit. Ivey is best when used like he was for Team USA. Ivey has shown nothing that leads me to want him to be my teams primary ball handler and I think he is best used off ball. Making him a primary, especially early in his career, would be disastrous.

[jezzerinho]

I personally dont get why you would want to try and turn Ivey into a lead guard. That isnt his skill set in anyway, to me that feels like youre wasting time trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

If Im drafting Ivey I want to put him in his best chance of maxing out his potential and to me that is letting him focus on scoring. Instead of trying to learn how to run an offense and try and find the fine line of running an offense and finding his own shot. The vast majority of guys fail inn figuring out that line.

When I draft him the only thing I want him working on is his jump shot, that to me is far more important in maxing out his potential than him learning how to run an offense, and to me that is far more feasible of a goal to reach as well.

Ivey to me is as easy of a guy to figure out a role for as there is in this draft. You plug him into the LaVine/Mitchell role. Ya he will most likely end up leading the time in Time Per Possession and he will be my team's secondary facilitator, but Im plugging him next to an actual PG. I want to pair him next to a Mike Conley (younger version), Lonzo Ball, Tyus Jones kind of PG. PGs that are good defenders, that dont need to dominate the ball in the half court, but when they have the ball they can be very good at settling the offense down and running sets very well.

This is why I hope Ivey ends up in Detroit. Ivey is best when used like he was for Team USA. Ivey has shown nothing that leads me to want him to be my teams primary ball handler and I think he is best used off ball. Making him a primary, especially early in his career, would be disastrous.

I'd have grave concerns he can make contested jumpers with that form. One of those cases where you have to disregard FT% as an indicator of 3pt% success because his shooting motion is so low and slow. FTs are uncontested so it doesn't matter what your form is.

So much with this kid has to radically change/improve for him to make it as a star player I just don't see the value in the top half of the lottery, even in a poor enough draft. And being a coach's son he's possibly further along the development curve than many.

[SelfishPlayer]

John Wall is another name, although with lessor natural passing, but with the same straight line explosion.

[The Moose]

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/insider/story/_/id/34089687/2022-nba-mock-draft-first-round-changes-include-lottery-movement

4. Sacramento Kings

Jaden Ivey
Purdue
PG/SG
Age: 20.3

The Kings aren't Ivey's preferred destination but have proved willing to take players without the benefit of workouts and medical information in the past, doing so as recently as a year ago when selecting Davion Mitchell. Many around the NBA feel that this pick is available for a team looking to swap picks and move up the draft for Ivey. Detroit, Indiana and Oklahoma City are among those that could potentially exchange an asset to help the Kings' chances of contending for a playoff spot, with the likes of Jerami Grant, Myles Turner and Lu Dort a few potential options that rival teams point to. In the event that the Kings elect to hold on to this pick and prefer to avoid the drama associated with picking a player against his camp's will, the candidacy of Keegan Murray might be gaining steam with head coach-to-be Mike Brown. Owner Vivek Ranadive is also said to be a proponent of selecting him.

Sounds like Ivey isn’t working out/ speaking to the kings

[NYPiston]

bottom line you can't comp Ja here....Ja again was a HISTORIC playmaker in college...10apg in the NCAA is unheard of especially for a 19 yr old...you can't project this onto a non-PG...we're talking about completely different players.

I'd also argue Morant has more hang time than Ivey, also a much better handle.

Morant is a true lead guard, Ivey isn't. They're both athletic and can attack the rim at breakneck speed but everything else about their game is very different. Never quite understood the comparison.
I don't know who Ivey compares to. I guess one can say Westbrook a bit, Westbrook wasn't much of a lead guard in college either, but Westbrook is so unique that it's hard to compare anybody to him.

Ivey is a weird case because the athleticism is elite but he doesn't handle the ball a ton and his decision making is iffy so he's not a point guard, his long range shooting is inconsistent and mid range game virtually non-existent so he's not really a shooting guard either so I don't know what to make of him at the next level.
Right now, he's almost purely a take the ball and attack the rim guy who can hit stand still threes occasionally. The lack of versatility in his game raises concern for me because what are you getting when teams pack the paint and he's forced to make decisions on the perimeter at a slower pace? I think he has star potential if he diversifies his game and can become more of a playmaker but that's a big question mark where we stand today. Tons of Pistons fans are dying for him to drop to 5 but... I don't know if that's the best thing for them. He might be a good fit because he won't have to be the primary ball handler but that shooting needs to improve.

[SelfishPlayer]

When a player is going to be a top 5 pick and possibly produce all star numbers, why would his comps be anything less than All Stars? Westbrook's motor is overrated. His teammates colluding to allow him to steal rebounds from them is underrated.

[Big J]

Yea, Ivey definitely has the most Boom potential. He’s the kind of dude I could see Presti grabbing early like he did with Westbrook.

Just look at what Ivey did with the U19 team. It was obvious that he was “the man” on that team.

[whitehops]

yeah ivey projects to be a lot closer to victor oladipo than ja morant. i think the ja morant comparisons were more just because he is the "flavour of the month", so to speak.

[Juggynaut]

How does Victor Oladipo comparison make sense? Victor was always known as a really good defensive player and Jaden Ivey not so much.

[Big J]

Ivey is a way more lethal penetrator than Oladipo. Dipo settles for jumpers too much whereas Ivey gets to the rack or draws fouls any time he pleases.

[clyde21]

I personally dont get why you would want to try and turn Ivey into a lead guard. That isnt his skill set in anyway, to me that feels like youre wasting time trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

If Im drafting Ivey I want to put him in his best chance of maxing out his potential and to me that is letting him focus on scoring. Instead of trying to learn how to run an offense and try and find the fine line of running an offense and finding his own shot. The vast majority of guys fail inn figuring out that line.

When I draft him the only thing I want him working on is his jump shot, that to me is far more important in maxing out his potential than him learning how to run an offense, and to me that is far more feasible of a goal to reach as well.

Ivey to me is as easy of a guy to figure out a role for as there is in this draft. You plug him into the LaVine/Mitchell role. Ya he will most likely end up leading the time in Time Per Possession and he will be my team's secondary facilitator, but Im plugging him next to an actual PG. I want to pair him next to a Mike Conley (younger version), Lonzo Ball, Tyus Jones kind of PG. PGs that are good defenders, that dont need to dominate the ball in the half court, but when they have the ball they can be very good at settling the offense down and running sets very well.

This is why I hope Ivey ends up in Detroit. Ivey is best when used like he was for Team USA. Ivey has shown nothing that leads me to want him to be my teams primary ball handler and I think he is best used off ball. Making him a primary, especially early in his career, would be disastrous.

Detroit sliding into the 2 between Cade and Bey is one of the better fits for him in the top10, I'd just have him slash off-ball all day and pressure the rim, while Cade runs the offense and Bey spaces.